Ray Allen ankle swelling up - should he sit until the playoffs?

[lightspeed5]

http://espn.go.com/boston/conversations/_/id/7806760/boston-celtics-ray-allen-ankle-travel-road-trip

knowing his ankle history and his current age, I would personally sit him out until the playoffs. its not worth it to play him. the rest could be worth it to him to.

[Smokeeye123]

Well, I'd have him come back a game or two before the playoffs to get re-acclimated, but yeah I'd sit him for awhile.

[Marcus13]

There's nothing wrong with his ankle.  He'd just rather sit than come off the bench

[jgod213]

Negative.

I'd prefer that Ray gets back out there as soon he's good so as to Give Doc as many rotational options as he can handle.  PP needs to sit more and Rondo needs to have his minutes reduced slightly.

[Chris]

I think you need to try to keep Ray sharp by getting him into a few games if possible. 

Obviously, you don't want to risk anything with the ankle, but my impression is that it is something that he is just going to have to play through no matter what...so, they should try to at least work him in for a handful of games.

[clover]

When Doc says he hasn't heard to possibility of surgery being discussed re: Ray's ankle, I take that to mean that it is an inevitability.

The question is how much he'll have to give during the playoffs, before the offseason inevitable.

[Boris Badenov]

I bet this will hurt his value as a free agent, for better or worse. Even if he comes back for the playoffs and performs well, this is a red flag. It sounds chronic.

I've been assuming that he's a goner in free agency because of the benching. Maybe not. It's a lot less insulting to get benched because you're hurt, and many teams may get spooked.

Of course, he could morph into JO next year for us. That would not be good either.

[Rondo2287]

There's nothing wrong with his ankle.  He'd just rather sit than come off the bench

I don't think I have heard this anywhere else do you have a source?

I know your feelings on this topic because I remebered your post from another thread,

Ray and it's not even close.  He's completely useless to us with the second unit

I don't think Ray has been useless on the second unit, infact I think quite the opposite, but if you can provide a source that Ray isnt hurt and is infact unwilling to play off the bench I would really like to hear/read it.

[Marcus13]

There's nothing wrong with his ankle.  He'd just rather sit than come off the bench

I don't think I have heard this anywhere else do you have a source?

I know your feelings on this topic because I remebered your post from another thread,

Ray and it's not even close.  He's completely useless to us with the second unit

I don't think Ray has been useless on the second unit, infact I think quite the opposite, but if you can provide a source that Ray isnt hurt and is infact unwilling to play off the bench I would really like to hear/read it.

I never said he is unwilling - he has been willing.  I just said he doesn't want to do it and I do believe his is milking his injury because of it.

"I don't think it can happen for me to ultimately be comfortable with these 11 or so games we have left because none of us are getting into routines as far as settling in and what are roles are, getting practice time, understanding rotations and chemistry," Allen said prior to the Celtics 103-79 win over the Philadelphia 76ers in which he scored 10 points in 28 minutes off the bench. "You just adapt the best way you can."

“I think my challenge is to be able to compete at a high level every year coming into the season and that means competing for a starting job every opportunity I get,” he said before last night’s game against the 76ers at TD Garden. “That’s my focus. That’s my goal.  If I felt as though I wasn’t playing up to that level, and those standards, then I think there’s going to be a point where I’d have to say it’s time for me to move on.”


Certainly doesn't sound like a guy who is eager to get the next game going or optimistic in any kind of way

[gar]

There's nothing wrong with his ankle.  He'd just rather sit than come off the bench

I don't think I have heard this anywhere else do you have a source?

I know your feelings on this topic because I remebered your post from another thread,

Ray and it's not even close.  He's completely useless to us with the second unit

I don't think Ray has been useless on the second unit, infact I think quite the opposite, but if you can provide a source that Ray isnt hurt and is infact unwilling to play off the bench I would really like to hear/read it.

I never said he is unwilling - he has been willing.  I just said he doesn't want to do it and I do believe his is milking his injury because of it.

"I don't think it can happen for me to ultimately be comfortable with these 11 or so games we have left because none of us are getting into routines as far as settling in and what are roles are, getting practice time, understanding rotations and chemistry," Allen said prior to the Celtics 103-79 win over the Philadelphia 76ers in which he scored 10 points in 28 minutes off the bench. "You just adapt the best way you can."

“I think my challenge is to be able to compete at a high level every year coming into the season and that means competing for a starting job every opportunity I get,” he said before last night’s game against the 76ers at TD Garden. “That’s my focus. That’s my goal.  If I felt as though I wasn’t playing up to that level, and those standards, then I think there’s going to be a point where I’d have to say it’s time for me to move on.”


Certainly doesn't sound like a guy who is eager to get the next game going or optimistic in any kind of way

AGAIN. We have no idea what you are basing your opinions on. It is fine if that is your opinion; however, when you are implying 1) that Ray Allen is not hurt, 2) that Ray Allen has a problem coming off the bench you need to back that up with some reasonable evidence. Ray has a history of ankle problems and takes an unbelievabl enumber of jump shots as part of his regular warmups. If you don't think that takes its a toll I don't know what to say. The guy has very bad ankles and you can see it in how he moves and how in how much trouble he has making his cuts, etc. We are talking about Ray Allen. Not some pampered whiner like BBD.

[Rondo2287]

There's nothing wrong with his ankle.  He'd just rather sit than come off the bench

I don't think I have heard this anywhere else do you have a source?

I know your feelings on this topic because I remebered your post from another thread,

Ray and it's not even close.  He's completely useless to us with the second unit

I don't think Ray has been useless on the second unit, infact I think quite the opposite, but if you can provide a source that Ray isnt hurt and is infact unwilling to play off the bench I would really like to hear/read it.

I never said he is unwilling - he has been willing.  I just said he doesn't want to do it and I do believe his is milking his injury because of it.

"I don't think it can happen for me to ultimately be comfortable with these 11 or so games we have left because none of us are getting into routines as far as settling in and what are roles are, getting practice time, understanding rotations and chemistry," Allen said prior to the Celtics 103-79 win over the Philadelphia 76ers in which he scored 10 points in 28 minutes off the bench. "You just adapt the best way you can."

“I think my challenge is to be able to compete at a high level every year coming into the season and that means competing for a starting job every opportunity I get,” he said before last night’s game against the 76ers at TD Garden. “That’s my focus. That’s my goal.  If I felt as though I wasn’t playing up to that level, and those standards, then I think there’s going to be a point where I’d have to say it’s time for me to move on.”


Certainly doesn't sound like a guy who is eager to get the next game going or optimistic in any kind of way

i don't see anything in there that supports your statement that he is milking injury because he doesnt want to come off the bench.  Which is a pretty strong accusation to make considering he has been nothing but a class act his entire career.

[thestackshow]

Ray Allen is 37 and a class act, this isnt Allen Iverson were talking about.

Theres no way Ray would sabotage the season because he doesent want to come off the bench.

[Marcus13]

There's nothing wrong with his ankle.  He'd just rather sit than come off the bench

I don't think I have heard this anywhere else do you have a source?

I know your feelings on this topic because I remebered your post from another thread,

Ray and it's not even close.  He's completely useless to us with the second unit

I don't think Ray has been useless on the second unit, infact I think quite the opposite, but if you can provide a source that Ray isnt hurt and is infact unwilling to play off the bench I would really like to hear/read it.

I never said he is unwilling - he has been willing.  I just said he doesn't want to do it and I do believe his is milking his injury because of it.

"I don't think it can happen for me to ultimately be comfortable with these 11 or so games we have left because none of us are getting into routines as far as settling in and what are roles are, getting practice time, understanding rotations and chemistry," Allen said prior to the Celtics 103-79 win over the Philadelphia 76ers in which he scored 10 points in 28 minutes off the bench. "You just adapt the best way you can."

“I think my challenge is to be able to compete at a high level every year coming into the season and that means competing for a starting job every opportunity I get,” he said before last night’s game against the 76ers at TD Garden. “That’s my focus. That’s my goal.  If I felt as though I wasn’t playing up to that level, and those standards, then I think there’s going to be a point where I’d have to say it’s time for me to move on.”


Certainly doesn't sound like a guy who is eager to get the next game going or optimistic in any kind of way

AGAIN. We have no idea what you are basing your opinions on. It is fine if that is your opinion; however, when you are implying 1) that Ray Allen is not hurt, 2) that Ray Allen has a problem coming off the bench you need to back that up with some reasonable evidence. Ray has a history of ankle problems and takes an unbelievabl enumber of jump shots as part of his regular warmups. If you don't think that takes its a toll I don't know what to say. The guy has very bad ankles and you can see it in how he moves and how in how much trouble he has making his cuts, etc. We are talking about Ray Allen. Not some pampered whiner like BBD.

lol i just posted the words from his mouth that he has a problem with coming off the bench.  He just said "I don't ever want to come off the bench"  How could that be more obvious?

[Boris Badenov]

There's nothing wrong with his ankle.  He'd just rather sit than come off the bench

I don't think I have heard this anywhere else do you have a source?

I know your feelings on this topic because I remebered your post from another thread,

Ray and it's not even close.  He's completely useless to us with the second unit

I don't think Ray has been useless on the second unit, infact I think quite the opposite, but if you can provide a source that Ray isnt hurt and is infact unwilling to play off the bench I would really like to hear/read it.

I never said he is unwilling - he has been willing.  I just said he doesn't want to do it and I do believe his is milking his injury because of it.

"I don't think it can happen for me to ultimately be comfortable with these 11 or so games we have left because none of us are getting into routines as far as settling in and what are roles are, getting practice time, understanding rotations and chemistry," Allen said prior to the Celtics 103-79 win over the Philadelphia 76ers in which he scored 10 points in 28 minutes off the bench. "You just adapt the best way you can."

“I think my challenge is to be able to compete at a high level every year coming into the season and that means competing for a starting job every opportunity I get,” he said before last night’s game against the 76ers at TD Garden. “That’s my focus. That’s my goal.  If I felt as though I wasn’t playing up to that level, and those standards, then I think there’s going to be a point where I’d have to say it’s time for me to move on.”


Certainly doesn't sound like a guy who is eager to get the next game going or optimistic in any kind of way

There is a very good explanation for Ray's comment.

Ray is a notorious creature of habit, almost to the point (and maybe to the point) of having OCD. You can find many, many articles about this but here is one:

http://digg.com/newsbar/topnews/Ray_Allen_s_OCD_pre_game_Rituals

What Ray is saying, in a pretty polite way I think, is that for someone like him it is very difficult to adjust to a whole new routine with 11 games left in the year.

He's a creature of habit and is expressing concern about how a new role will affect him. That's it.

[BMark3]

No matter the extent of his injury I would like the Cs to exercise caution with RA.  We have proven we can beat quality teams without hime but we will need his offense in the playoffs.