Officiating

[Greenbean]

I always laugh at the conspiracy theorists.

Tonight, I am not laughing. You can't find officiating that involuntarily bad at your local junior high school.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing about the team staying fairly composed.

I think it was one of those situations where there is no use arguing too much.

Everyone in the building including Atlanta could see those calls were just silly. All you can do is shake your head.

[GrandTheftRondo]

The refs clearly had money on the Hawks. And nothing will change my mind on this.

Anybody see Doc's post game interview? Did he address it?

[apc]

The sixth foul against Garnett was so outrageously bad, right up there with the Salvatore offensive foul against Pierce in game 6 in 2008. KG was being held by two different people.

I disagree on the KG foul, he took was too aggressive in the screen for Rondo. He took a chance and got caught,he had a similar call yesterday vs. heat.

[GreenFaith1819]

I try my best to not fall prey to conspiracies...but tonight?

No way that David Stern could ignore this one and look himself in the mirror.

I try to be as neutral as possible most of the time...I even gave the Lakers credit for being "Aggressive" in game 7 of the 2009-10 Finals....but tonight?

My eyes can't lie, lol.........

I even watched the reactions on some Hawks players, and even THEY seemed a bit surprised...just watch some of the footage for yourselves.

I'm thankful that we pulled this one out, though.

End rant.

 

[CelticG1]

The refs clearly had money on the Hawks. And nothing will change my mind on this.

Anybody see Doc's post game interview? Did he address it?

He opened by saying "that was the worst..game we have ever won. I know you all thought I was gonna day something else there" something like that. I don't think he wants to take away from the win or make a distraction to the team by saying anything

[Lord of Mikawa]

I need to see footage. But I can safely assume the refs were garbage tonight.

[CelticG1]

The sixth foul against Garnett was so outrageously bad, right up there with the Salvatore offensive foul against Pierce in game 6 in 2008. KG was being held by two different people.

I disagree on the KG foul, he took was too aggressive in the screen for Rondo. He took a chance and got caught,he had a similar call yesterday vs. heat.

If you don't think that was bad than you must not have thought any of those calls down the stretch were bad.

If they called stuff like that consistently guys would foul out in the first quarter. Refs absolutely pick when they will or will not call something. Because every time someone makes contact with a player in the court they can pretty much blow there whistle.

The timing of those calls were ridiculous

[Greenbean]

The sixth foul against Garnett was so outrageously bad, right up there with the Salvatore offensive foul against Pierce in game 6 in 2008. KG was being held by two different people.

I disagree on the KG foul, he took was too aggressive in the screen for Rondo. He took a chance and got caught,he had a similar call yesterday vs. heat.

If you don't think that was bad than you must not have thought any of those calls down the stretch were bad.

If they called stuff like that consistently guys would foul out in the first quarter. Refs absolutely pick when they will or will not call something. Because every time someone makes contact with a player in the court they can pretty much blow there whistle.

The timing of those calls were ridiculous

You are 100% correct...and I still blame the NBA for having rules with grey areas...refs are humans with natural human biased tendencies. The trick is you cant empower them to make a choice whether to blow the whistle or not. The NHL and NFL are doing a great job of explaining officiating to the fans...the NBA is lightyears behind and moving backwards.

[jpd985]

The sixth foul against Garnett was so outrageously bad, right up there with the Salvatore offensive foul against Pierce in game 6 in 2008. KG was being held by two different people.

I disagree on the KG foul, he took was too aggressive in the screen for Rondo. He took a chance and got caught,he had a similar call yesterday vs. heat.

If you don't think that was bad than you must not have thought any of those calls down the stretch were bad.

If they called stuff like that consistently guys would foul out in the first quarter. Refs absolutely pick when they will or will not call something. Because every time someone makes contact with a player in the court they can pretty much blow there whistle.

The timing of those calls were ridiculous

You are 100% correct...and I still blame the NBA for having rules with grey areas...refs are humans with natural human biased tendencies. The trick is you cant empower them to make a choice whether to blow the whistle or not. The NHL and NFL are doing a great job of explaining officiating to the fans...the NBA is lightyears behind and moving backwards.

It also scares me that NBA officials are household names. At times they seem to play to the crowd with the way they make foul calls too.

[the TRUTH]

I'm not at all saying the refs were good tonight, as they were awful, and it was completely biased. That being said, I honestly didn't see much difference from what the Celtics have faced in past years (the Atlanta, Cleveland and LA series in '08, the Bulls series in '09, the Cleveland series in '10, game 7 in LA in '10, last year's Heat series, etc.). The calls are often so unbelievably one-sided that there's no other conclusion to make than that the refs/league have a hidden agenda. Tonight was definitely an example of that, but I expect it now.

[apc]

The sixth foul against Garnett was so outrageously bad, right up there with the Salvatore offensive foul against Pierce in game 6 in 2008. KG was being held by two different people.

I disagree on the KG foul, he took was too aggressive in the screen for Rondo. He took a chance and got caught,he had a similar call yesterday vs. heat.

If you don't think that was bad than you must not have thought any of those calls down the stretch were bad.

If they called stuff like that consistently guys would foul out in the first quarter. Refs absolutely pick when they will or will not call something. Because every time someone makes contact with a player in the court they can pretty much blow there whistle.

The timing of those calls were ridiculous

You are 100% correct...and I still blame the NBA for having rules with grey areas...refs are humans with natural human biased tendencies. The trick is you cant empower them to make a choice whether to blow the whistle or not. The NHL and NFL are doing a great job of explaining officiating to the fans...the NBA is lightyears behind and moving backwards.

i agree on the other fouls. but KG play is always on the boarder, all this 'hands getting tangled' will not always go his way. i love KG he does it for the team, but you cant will them all.

[guava_wrench]

The sixth foul against Garnett was so outrageously bad, right up there with the Salvatore offensive foul against Pierce in game 6 in 2008. KG was being held by two different people.

I disagree on the KG foul, he took was too aggressive in the screen for Rondo. He took a chance and got caught,he had a similar call yesterday vs. heat.

If you don't think that was bad than you must not have thought any of those calls down the stretch were bad.

If they called stuff like that consistently guys would foul out in the first quarter. Refs absolutely pick when they will or will not call something. Because every time someone makes contact with a player in the court they can pretty much blow there whistle.

The timing of those calls were ridiculous

You are 100% correct...and I still blame the NBA for having rules with grey areas...refs are humans with natural human biased tendencies. The trick is you cant empower them to make a choice whether to blow the whistle or not. The NHL and NFL are doing a great job of explaining officiating to the fans...the NBA is lightyears behind and moving backwards.

Every rule will always have a gray area because these are rules about human beings doing things. People will always do things on the borders in real time and refs will always have to make judgment calls. Biases aren't the problem. The limits to human perception are.

The only way to get rid of that is to have no rules.

We will always be flawed in our perceptions because we cannot pull in enough data from our environment in a complete and accurate way. It is impossible. Humans will always use heuristics when putting together all the data we take in and our perceptions will always flawed (though usually not as flawed as someone like Tommy Heinsohn who generously allows his wishful thinking to play a big role in his perceptions with little restraint).

[guava_wrench]

The sixth foul against Garnett was so outrageously bad, right up there with the Salvatore offensive foul against Pierce in game 6 in 2008. KG was being held by two different people.

I disagree on the KG foul, he took was too aggressive in the screen for Rondo. He took a chance and got caught,he had a similar call yesterday vs. heat.

KG is pretty persistent with his illegal screens, knowing refs can't catch all of them. Good strategy when not in foul trouble.

[ACF]

Good thing you posted this. Didn't watch the game but we need to call them out on this even when we win. That way people won't go "Oh, you're just saying that because you lost".

[jdz101]

The refs clearly had money on the Hawks. And nothing will change my mind on this.

Anybody see Doc's post game interview? Did he address it?

He didnt address it. The reporters were baiting him at the start, but theres no point in getting fines up the wazoo for nothing.