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Re: Is Rondo All-NBA?
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2012, 10:32:40 PM »

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Why do people think Rose is deserving? He's only played 35 games this season and will likely miss more. Also, his team has proven they are better without him than everyone gives them credit for, which diminishes the whole "Derrick Rose carries the whole team" argument. They're like us, a well coached TEAM.

And we looked much more lost without Rondo than the Bulls have without Rose. Derrick Rose's reputation (like the Bulls) exceeds his accomplishments.
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Re: Is Rondo All-NBA?
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2012, 10:38:48 PM »

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Why do people think Rose is deserving? He's only played 35 games this season and will likely miss more. Also, his team has proven they are better without him than everyone gives them credit for, which diminishes the whole "Derrick Rose carries the whole team" argument. They're like us, a well coached TEAM.

And we looked much more lost without Rondo than the Bulls have without Rose. Derrick Rose's reputation (like the Bulls) exceeds his accomplishments.
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Re: Is Rondo All-NBA?
« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2012, 10:10:00 AM »

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The only reason Rose isn't deserving is because of the games hes missed.  Lets not pretend he isn't one of the top 6 guards in the league.

I hope he isn't included this year, but he probably will be.

Re: Is Rondo All-NBA?
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2012, 10:32:35 AM »

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Not to switch topics but after Howard and Bynum how about KG for 3rd team Center? Who goes ahead of him?

He hasn't played the whole year at Center but how he's played a lot if it. Plus he's been getting a lot of play in the media and really there's just not much competition there. Am I right?

Re: Is Rondo All-NBA?
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2012, 10:53:10 AM »

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Not to switch topics but after Howard and Bynum how about KG for 3rd team Center? Who goes ahead of him?

He hasn't played the whole year at Center but how he's played a lot if it. Plus he's been getting a lot of play in the media and really there's just not much competition there. Am I right?

Marc Gasol probably.
Also Roy Hibbert will likely get some votes.

Also it will probably hurt KG's chances that a lot of the voters may not think of him as a C.

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Re: Is Rondo All-NBA?
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2012, 10:59:22 AM »

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Not to switch topics but after Howard and Bynum how about KG for 3rd team Center? Who goes ahead of him?

He hasn't played the whole year at Center but how he's played a lot if it. Plus he's been getting a lot of play in the media and really there's just not much competition there. Am I right?

Not wild about many of the power forward candidates this year. Kevin Love has had a strong season but after him there aren't many strong candidates.

Dirk has had a sub-par year. Pau Gasol has been badly under-utilized. Amare has been M.I.A. most of the season. Bosh hasn't had a good year. Zach Randolph has been injured most of the season and has returned to a smaller role while he finds his groove. Blake Griffin has failed to improve on last season. Then there is Aldridge (who is more a C than a PF anyway) who has had a solid season but his team has fallen apart and looks set to miss the playoffs.

I think that opens things up a big way for Garnett to either get in as a center or as a forward (with Marc Gasol and Andrew Bynum getting in as centers). Doubles KG's chances at a spot. 

Consequently, I think Garnett has a really strong shot at being third team All-League. Small chance at squeezing into the second team.

Re: Is Rondo All-NBA?
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2012, 11:01:13 AM »

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Not to switch topics but after Howard and Bynum how about KG for 3rd team Center? Who goes ahead of him?

He hasn't played the whole year at Center but how he's played a lot if it. Plus he's been getting a lot of play in the media and really there's just not much competition there. Am I right?

Marc Gasol probably.
Also Roy Hibbert will likely get some votes.

Also it will probably hurt KG's chances that a lot of the voters may not think of him as a C.

Yeah I couldn't think of them off the top of my head. Seems like kind of a travesty that one of those guys could get all nba when some great players like Pierce barely ever managed it.

The voters would have to be idiots not to recognize KG as a center though considering how big a story it has been this season and how much people are crediting garnet and the celts success because of it.

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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2012, 11:29:30 AM »

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Rondo is the most deserving to be All-NBA, Rose missed most of this season due to injuries, CP3 regressed, Deron Williams hasn't been much this year as well (beside that 57 point game). Maybe Westbrook will be in that argument?

Most likely Rose will take it, which will suck

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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2012, 11:32:20 AM »

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Most likely Rose will take it, which will suck

Re: Is Rondo All-NBA?
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2012, 11:45:38 AM »

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Rondo is the most deserving to be All-NBA, Rose missed most of this season due to injuries, CP3 regressed, Deron Williams hasn't been much this year as well (beside that 57 point game). Maybe Westbrook will be in that argument?

Most likely Rose will take it, which will suck

How did Chris Paul regress?  Looks like the same level  player to me.
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Re: Is Rondo All-NBA?
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2012, 01:53:29 PM »

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Rondo is the most deserving to be All-NBA, Rose missed most of this season due to injuries, CP3 regressed, Deron Williams hasn't been much this year as well (beside that 57 point game). Maybe Westbrook will be in that argument?

Most likely Rose will take it, which will suck

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Thats pretty [dang] good.

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« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2012, 02:18:35 PM »

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Not to switch topics but after Howard and Bynum how about KG for 3rd team Center? Who goes ahead of him?

He hasn't played the whole year at Center but how he's played a lot if it. Plus he's been getting a lot of play in the media and really there's just not much competition there. Am I right?

Not wild about many of the power forward candidates this year. Kevin Love has had a strong season but after him there aren't many strong candidates.

Dirk has had a sub-par year. Pau Gasol has been badly under-utilized. Amare has been M.I.A. most of the season. Bosh hasn't had a good year. Zach Randolph has been injured most of the season and has returned to a smaller role while he finds his groove. Blake Griffin has failed to improve on last season. Then there is Aldridge (who is more a C than a PF anyway) who has had a solid season but his team has fallen apart and looks set to miss the playoffs.

I think that opens things up a big way for Garnett to either get in as a center or as a forward (with Marc Gasol and Andrew Bynum getting in as centers). Doubles KG's chances at a spot. 

Consequently, I think Garnett has a really strong shot at being third team All-League. Small chance at squeezing into the second team.

They don't break up the forward position though do they?

Im also not sure of playing half the year at center and have the year at forward help or hurt his chances. Is it possible that he gets votes in both categories therefore weakening his chances?

Re: Is Rondo All-NBA?
« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2012, 02:34:26 PM »

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Not to switch topics but after Howard and Bynum how about KG for 3rd team Center? Who goes ahead of him?

He hasn't played the whole year at Center but how he's played a lot if it. Plus he's been getting a lot of play in the media and really there's just not much competition there. Am I right?

Not wild about many of the power forward candidates this year. Kevin Love has had a strong season but after him there aren't many strong candidates.

Dirk has had a sub-par year. Pau Gasol has been badly under-utilized. Amare has been M.I.A. most of the season. Bosh hasn't had a good year. Zach Randolph has been injured most of the season and has returned to a smaller role while he finds his groove. Blake Griffin has failed to improve on last season. Then there is Aldridge (who is more a C than a PF anyway) who has had a solid season but his team has fallen apart and looks set to miss the playoffs.

I think that opens things up a big way for Garnett to either get in as a center or as a forward (with Marc Gasol and Andrew Bynum getting in as centers). Doubles KG's chances at a spot.  

Consequently, I think Garnett has a really strong shot at being third team All-League. Small chance at squeezing into the second team.

They don't break up the forward position though do they?

Im also not sure of playing half the year at center and have the year at forward help or hurt his chances. Is it possible that he gets votes in both categories therefore weakening his chances?
No they don't (break up the forward slots) but there is not a lot of outstanding candidates at SF either.

Durant and LeBron are clearly exceptional and will be on the first team together.

But after that, it's up in the air. Pierce has probably had the next best campaign but he has been up and down throughout the year. Then there is Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng, Rudy Gay. Carmelo Anthony has struggled for most of the season. Gerald Wallace and Danny Granger have been unexceptional. I think Garnett has been more valuable than each one of those guys.

So I think those forward slots have a lot of openings and Garnett could receive some votes there as well as at the center position. Between the two areas, I think he should get enough to make the third team (at least). Maybe even the second team.

Emm ... I don't think KG can lose out by receiving votes in either area (forward or center). They just add up the totals (5 points for first team vote, 3 for second, 1 for third) and then sort them roughly by positions. Guards, forwards and centers. It doesn't matter if voted as forward or center on ballots, all votes count equally (at least to the best of my knowledge).

Edit: I think Kevin Love is the first name down (forward) on the second team. After him, I think it could go in a lot of different directions ... the forward and center positions on both the second and third teams.

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« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2012, 02:38:11 PM »

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I think they look at the player's total votes, then put the players with the most votes on the teams if they can credibly put them at an available position. Which means that if KG gets some center votes and some forward votes, they'll be combined, and if he finishes 4th among centers but 6th among forwards, he'll be a Third Team forward. If he finishes 7th among forwards but 3rd among centers, he'll be a Third Team center. Guys like Pau, KG and Duncan could be thrown in either position.

Yes, they combine all forwards, so First Team will be Durant and Lebron, Second Team will be Love and (undeservingly) Griffin. But wide open after that between guys like Garnett, Aldridge, Pau, Dirk, etc. I think Tyson Chandler will take Third Team center.
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