Doc rips into the team after tonight's terrible effort

[thestackshow]

Rebounding is a mindset,  we have been able to compensate for this in the past in other areas.  Because of age and talent we can no longer do so.  It's time for a change in this regard.  I know we scheme differently to minimize transition points gave up on D.   But this is killing us on the boards and haunting us.

I guess the team just lost the mindset after 08-09?

The C's rebounding woes is personal based onage and declining athleticism.

Kevin Love is one of the least athletic players in the league yet he leads the league in rebounding.

Like others have said, rebounding is a mindset, you dont have to be 25 years old and athletic to find your man, box him out, and rebound a basketball, in fact, lots of eldely guys rely on the "box-out" technique if you watch senior leagues.

[hpantazo]

amazing how KG looks like he never learned how to box out, probably because he used to be athletic enough to not have to box out

[LooseCannon]

I'm starting to think boxing-out against elite NBA-level athletes is harder than it sounds and the people who seem to believe that it would completely change everything should be filed in the same category as people who seem to believe that every NBA player could hit at least 80% of their free throws if they just spent the entire summer practicing.

[RockinRyA]

I'm starting to think boxing-out against elite NBA-level athletes is harder than it sounds and the people who seem to believe that it would completely change everything should be filed in the same category as people who seem to believe that every NBA player could hit at least 80% of their free throws if they just spent the entire summer practicing.

the problem is, I don't see them boxing out at all. Effort just isnt there.

[celtics2]

This started at the beginning of the 3rd. Why did it take Doc till the end of the game to figure this out. It was so obvious. Doc is like Stock Indicators, lagging behind.

[OmarSekou]

Rebounding is a mindset,  we have been able to compensate for this in the past in other areas.  Because of age and talent we can no longer do so.  It's time for a change in this regard.  I know we scheme differently to minimize transition points gave up on D.   But this is killing us on the boards and haunting us.

I guess the team just lost the mindset after 08-09?

The C's rebounding woes is personal based onage and declining athleticism.

Kevin Love is one of the least athletic players in the league yet he leads the league in rebounding.

Like others have said, rebounding is a mindset, you dont have to be 25 years old and athletic to find your man, box him out, and rebound a basketball, in fact, lots of eldely guys rely on the "box-out" technique if you watch senior leagues.

Kevin Love is an athlete, just not a leaper. He's incredibly strong and doesn't tire. He pushed KG around and does that on a nightly basis.

[ScoobyDoo]

Blake Griffin is a great athlete. KG is a prety good athlete as well.
Luol Deng is a very good athlete. Paula Pierce is also a decent athlete.

Carlos Boozer is a good athlete. Brandon Bass has some pretty good hops when he's doing one of his power dunks. And he also looks pretty ripped as well.

I think there are some really great athletes in the NBA. I also think that outside of a couple of uber elite athletes - LeBron, Durant, Howard and Griffin come to mind - it's not like all these other players on the other teams every night are NBA level athletes and KG, Bass, Pierce, etc...are high school level athletes. I don't buy the "athletic separation" as an excuse for our rebounding woes. I don't see that big of a Delta.

What I do see very often indeed is a shot going up by the other team and our team collectively turning around and looking at the rim while opposing players from the other team walk by us or shove us out of the way and get a rebound.

I see, very often, no attempt by our guys in the lane to find a guy, stick there back side into them, throw their elbows out and box out a guy.

I'm not sayig the great athletes won't occasionally fly over you or move around you. But 75-85 % of the time, if you're laying a body on your guy, your greatly increasing your chances of securing the board.

I guarantee you that a Larry Bird in his prime would absolutely destroy Blake Griffin on the boards if he had to check him. And the main reason that would happen would be because Bird would get into a mental and physical fist fight with Griffin, figuratively speaking. He'd refuse to let Griffin get to the ball - he'd constantly put his body between the ball and Griffin and he'd "want" the ball more than Griffin.

I'm not saying that boxing out will eliminate all better athletes from getting the ball - but I bet it would move us up about 10 spots in the rebounding column - and that would be enough to make all the difference in a lot of games we're giving away.   

 

[ScoobyDoo]

If our current team made the same commitment to rebounding as they do to defense - it would do wonders for our rebounding.

Make a team commitment that the other team is going to have to literally crawl over our collective backs to get a rebound. See what happens...

This mentality is why a very limited athlete like Kendrick Perkins could pretty consistently check Dwight Howard, one of the greatest "athletes" at the center position who['s ever played the game, and generally limit his impact on the boards and often times in scoring.

Rebounding is about mentality, heart and desire for the ball. All the good great rebounders say the same thing - they want the ball more than the other guys.

[ScoobyDoo]

And I'm not saying that Perkins out rebounded Howard all the time. But because he was always more than willing to "get into it" with Howard in the paint, that enabled our other guys to get more boards.

Multiply that effort by our other four guys on the court...

If we want to have an outside shot at something special this year, we need to have a collective nose and desire for "the rebound" equal to Avery Bradley's nose and desire for the ball on D.

The Celtics needed to become collective Honey Badgers on the boards. A little smallish but tough as nails, relentless and willing to "get into it" with their guys when the shot goes up. They're already doing this on D - they need to complete the defensive cycle by laying bodies on guys once the shot goes up.

Stop turning around and just looking at the rim... 

[nickagneta]

Looks like Doc's strategy of calling the guys out worked. The effort and mental edge were great last night. Funny how Doc still knows how to push these guys buttons.

Maybe its because he's a good coach.

[azzenfrost]

That's not a maybe in my eyes. He is a good coach.

[LooseCannon]

Looks like Doc's strategy of calling the guys out worked. The effort and mental edge were great last night. Funny how Doc still knows how to push these guys buttons.

Maybe its because he's a good coach.

If Dwight Howard were a Celtic, would Doc be less likely to call him out, be better at calling Dwight out than Stan Van Gundy is, or would D12 run yet another coach out of town?

[bostonman1]

Looks like Doc's strategy of calling the guys out worked. The effort and mental edge were great last night. Funny how Doc still knows how to push these guys buttons.

Maybe its because he's a good coach.

Hope that turns out to be true.  Hard to say the calling out worked simply by the Celtics beating an Indiana team on a back to back after the Celtics had a day off though.

If they can manage to fight through a back to back tonight and beat a struggling Philly team at home then that would be a much better sign.  A win tonight would give them some cushion in the division race and show the team's ability to come through in big games even when tired and shorthanded...

[j804]

Did anybody also notice the guys actually trying to rebound???

Night and day difference, they could make the game from their defense played so much easier even if we were just a decent and not dead last rebounding team.