Rondo is going to be an issue next year.

[cman88]

lets not forget that Derrick Rose who is a player who some claim "goes hard every night" has finally had that catch up to him as he has missed a TON of games this year

[CelticHooligan3]

lets not forget that Derrick Rose who is a player who some claim "goes hard every night" has finally had that catch up to him as he has missed a TON of games this year

So the logic is, if you go hard every night you could get injured.. So pick your spots and dont go hard ALL the time to reduce the risk of injury?Anyone ever watch hockey?

How come they then are able to go balls to the walls every single shift? Theyre flying around with sharp objects attached to their feet and sticks in their hands. That fact in itself puts them at greater risk of injury. They rarely complain about their maladies and its few and far between that you can find any whos drive and motivation are questioned on a nightly basis.

Why shouldnt we expect the same grit and determination from Basketball players. Call me old school if you will but i want to watch guys who are going hard every single possesion. For that i will always root for them win or lose.

[CelticsFanNC]

  Rondo will be an issue next season if Ainge doesn't get him some running mates. 

  Rondo cannot and will not play consistently well until the Celtic's consistently get into the open court.  He cannot do that all by himself and he play most of his minutes with guys who excel in the half court but don't really like to or physically cannot push the pace with any consistency.

  Rightly or wrongly he tends to become disengaged or disinterested when the Celtics get stuck in the mud playing exclusively in the half court.

[greenpride32]

lets not forget that Derrick Rose who is a player who some claim "goes hard every night" has finally had that catch up to him as he has missed a TON of games this year

Last I checked, guys like Jordan, Olajuwon, KG, CP3, Nash, Kobe go hard every night and on every posession.  The type of comments being made to "support" Rondo are really getting pathetic.  So it's okay to be lazy when you feel like it?  It hasn't kept Rondo in the lineup as he's been out with injuries over the past couple of years.

There's really no way to prevent injuries; some of them are just freak accidents.  You can play soft all game long, and it only take on play to have a season ending injury.  Players who truly want to complete and win give it their full effort all the time.

[Finkelskyhook]

lets not forget that Derrick Rose who is a player who some claim "goes hard every night" has finally had that catch up to him as he has missed a TON of games this year

Last I checked, guys like Jordan, Olajuwon, KG, CP3, Nash, Kobe go hard every night and on every posession.  The type of comments being made to "support" Rondo are really getting pathetic.  So it's okay to be lazy when you feel like it?  It hasn't kept Rondo in the lineup as he's been out with injuries over the past couple of years.

There's really no way to prevent injuries; some of them are just freak accidents.  You can play soft all game long, and it only take on play to have a season ending injury.  Players who truly want to complete and win give it their full effort all the time.

OH MY....You put Los Nash in that category?  Los Nash hasn't gone hard on defense on any possession since maybe high school.  He really hasn't gone on defense at all.  Wow.  He stays healthy and fresh because he only plays half of the game in the minutes he's in.


It's also a reach to put Paul in that category as he's almost as inconsistent as Rondo.

[slamtheking]

I don't think Rondo is physically built to bring it hard every night on both ends.

I think he knows that and in my opinion he's smart about the way he conserves energy. For example, last night he would put Ray on Thomas, the quicker man, which logically makes no sense. He takes a lot of plays off on d where he focuses more on defending space than defending his man. He's becoming really good at that though so it doesn't hurt our team. On offense, there are times when he isn't assertive.

He usually brings it when it matters and is skilled enough to do everything except shoot. He needs to improve at knowing when to take over games and when he should raise or lower his intensity. In games when the rest of the team is flat, he can't be. That's what he is right now. Two games ago he was flat, but we didn't need him. Last night he was flat and we needed him. He has to be able to see the difference.

KG is an absolute freak. He shouldn't be the standard for consistency because his stamina and focus is exceptional. I've seen Ray take games off, and I've seen Pierce take games off offensively (when he was Rondo's age he would take some off defensively too). So it's not only Rondo. But Rondo is/is becoming the leader so he needs to learn to set the tone.

I hope he can or we can get another guy (A Joakim Noah type) who can take on that role in the future.

If he(Rondo) and his supporters want him to be mentioned in the same circles with the top tier point guards of the day then simply put he needs to learn to bring it night in night out on a consistent basis on both sides of the ball. Thats what all the greats do. The best players can make an impact on the court on offense or defense on any given night. They also are dependable in the games played department and consistently give their best effort every night.

Was that Chris Paul's best effort a couple of games ago against our Celtics?

yeah, if that was his best effort, he's not all he's cracked up to be by his advocates here.  I've never been a fan of his game but recognize he is talented.  (definitely a much better shooter than Rondo).

no player I've seen ever brings it every night, not all game anyway.  even Bird at his best didn't kill himself every night.  Too many nights against lesser competition, he'd play well but not up to his usual Bird-standards  but he'd really focus at the end of games to seal a win.  it used to be really frustrating while watching them from 84-86 when they had too much of a tendency to play down to the competition. 
I see a lot of that in Rondo -- coast sometimes and then try to turn it on later if he thinks he has to to secure a win.

[cman88]

lets not forget that Derrick Rose who is a player who some claim "goes hard every night" has finally had that catch up to him as he has missed a TON of games this year

So the logic is, if you go hard every night you could get injured.. So pick your spots and dont go hard ALL the time to reduce the risk of injury?Anyone ever watch hockey?

How come they then are able to go balls to the walls every single shift? Theyre flying around with sharp objects attached to their feet and sticks in their hands. That fact in itself puts them at greater risk of injury. They rarely complain about their maladies and its few and far between that you can find any whos drive and motivation are questioned on a nightly basis.

Why shouldnt we expect the same grit and determination from Basketball players. Call me old school if you will but i want to watch guys who are going hard every single possesion. For that i will always root for them win or lose.

you obviously havent watched the Bruins lately have you??

I just think theres a case where we watch what? maybe 2-3 games a year of CP3, D.will and then 82 of Rondo's so it's much easier to nit-pick.

CP3 hasnt looked exactly stunning in the last few clippers games.

[CoachBo]

lets not forget that Derrick Rose who is a player who some claim "goes hard every night" has finally had that catch up to him as he has missed a TON of games this year

So the logic is, if you go hard every night you could get injured.. So pick your spots and dont go hard ALL the time to reduce the risk of injury?Anyone ever watch hockey?

How come they then are able to go balls to the walls every single shift? Theyre flying around with sharp objects attached to their feet and sticks in their hands. That fact in itself puts them at greater risk of injury. They rarely complain about their maladies and its few and far between that you can find any whos drive and motivation are questioned on a nightly basis.

Why shouldnt we expect the same grit and determination from Basketball players. Call me old school if you will but i want to watch guys who are going hard every single possesion. For that i will always root for them win or lose.

How many zero-point, five assist games has Rose had playing significant minutes?

Guarantee all of you that Doc Rivers would be rolling his eyes at the Rondo Excuse Machine on this blog - and that he wants more consistent effort from Rondo every night.

[CapnDunks]

lets not forget that Derrick Rose who is a player who some claim "goes hard every night" has finally had that catch up to him as he has missed a TON of games this year

This. When i see rondo dodging through bigs under the basket and making crazy layups every possession i'm just waiting for him to get smashed (see kleiza). This was more ok before but now that we don't have perk or even jo in the paint it's worse. I think who we have at C next year could definitely have a strong influence on how hard rondo can play offensively night in night out.

[CelticsFanNC]

  IMO the nights Rondo doesn't "bring it" also just happen to be the nights the Celtic's "old Three" don't have the legs to run the court.   The nights he does "bring it" they generally get out into the open court.

  Rondo, maybe more so then any other All-Star level player depends on his teammates playing well for him to play at his best.  That's kind of the nature of a pass first PG.

  If and when his teammates run he looks like an All-World PG and if they don't he looks rather pedestrian.  If that's the case then his inconsistency is at least partially on his teammates who don't consistently get out into the open court or rebound which leads directly to getting into the open court.

  If Rondo were the PG in Miami rather then in Boston he would be a far more consistent player because he'd have guys who consistently get into the open court and finish around the rim allowing Rondo to do what he does best.  Playing predominantly half court basketball like the Celtic's prevents Rondo from thriving and being more consistent.

  He's never had that in Boston.  He will never be a consistently great player playing with guys who prefer playing in the half court.

[BballTim]

lets not forget that Derrick Rose who is a player who some claim "goes hard every night" has finally had that catch up to him as he has missed a TON of games this year

So the logic is, if you go hard every night you could get injured.. So pick your spots and dont go hard ALL the time to reduce the risk of injury?Anyone ever watch hockey?

How come they then are able to go balls to the walls every single shift? Theyre flying around with sharp objects attached to their feet and sticks in their hands. That fact in itself puts them at greater risk of injury. They rarely complain about their maladies and its few and far between that you can find any whos drive and motivation are questioned on a nightly basis.

Why shouldnt we expect the same grit and determination from Basketball players. Call me old school if you will but i want to watch guys who are going hard every single possesion. For that i will always root for them win or lose.

How many zero-point, five assist games has Rose had playing significant minutes?

Guarantee all of you that Doc Rivers would be rolling his eyes at the Rondo Excuse Machine on this blog - and that he wants more consistent effort from Rondo every night.

  Doc Rivers would understand that Rose is always the number one shooting option on offense while Rondo's first responsibility is generally to get easy baskets for his teammates. He'd then get to the obvious conclusion that, good game or bad, Rose is much less likely to have a low scoring game than Rondo. We've seen Rondo dominate games where he only takes a few shots, if Rose or Westbrook or a host of others scored that little they'd be invisible on the court. The "Rondo Excuse Machine" is that point guards can do more to help a team win than score, shocking as that might sound to you.

[BballTim]

lets not forget that Derrick Rose who is a player who some claim "goes hard every night" has finally had that catch up to him as he has missed a TON of games this year

Last I checked, guys like Jordan, Olajuwon, KG, CP3, Nash, Kobe go hard every night and on every posession. 

  Not just every  night, but every possession? I find it hard to believe that this observation is from watching them play firsthand.

[phonic1]

I think Rondo's will be someone else's issue next year.  I think he's moved before the draft for a young player with good upside and a pick.  We've heard stories about RR's attitude while we've been winning, I can't imagine how he'll behave when we're losing/rebuilding.  That's of course if we're rebuilding.  Still, I don't even think the FO will have to make a decision.  He'll request to be traded and the FO will oblige.  I love what Rajon is capable of, but that guy has a superstar ego, with a roll player's (on most nights) game.  Obviously they've been trying to move him for awhile now.  The relationship between Rondo and this organization is over.

[CelticHooligan3]

lets not forget that Derrick Rose who is a player who some claim "goes hard every night" has finally had that catch up to him as he has missed a TON of games this year

So the logic is, if you go hard every night you could get injured.. So pick your spots and dont go hard ALL the time to reduce the risk of injury?Anyone ever watch hockey?

How come they then are able to go balls to the walls every single shift? Theyre flying around with sharp objects attached to their feet and sticks in their hands. That fact in itself puts them at greater risk of injury. They rarely complain about their maladies and its few and far between that you can find any whos drive and motivation are questioned on a nightly basis.

Why shouldnt we expect the same grit and determination from Basketball players. Call me old school if you will but i want to watch guys who are going hard every single possesion. For that i will always root for them win or lose.

How many zero-point, five assist games has Rose had playing significant minutes?

Guarantee all of you that Doc Rivers would be rolling his eyes at the Rondo Excuse Machine on this blog - and that he wants more consistent effort from Rondo every night.

  Doc Rivers would understand that Rose is always the number one shooting option on offense while Rondo's first responsibility is generally to get easy baskets for his teammates. He'd then get to the obvious conclusion that, good game or bad, Rose is much less likely to have a low scoring game than Rondo. We've seen Rondo dominate games where he only takes a few shots, if Rose or Westbrook or a host of others scored that little they'd be invisible on the court. The "Rondo Excuse Machine" is that point guards can do more to help a team win than score, shocking as that might sound to you.

Shocking as this might sound to you I thought an "elite point guard", was generally expected to be able to do both in an efficient manner, no? Maybe we have different definitions of elite point guards but Rondo has never shyed from putting himself at the top of the list. And i feel that if he's gonna be compared with the top tier in both his own eyes and many fans and posters here on CB he needs to be dependable on both sides of the ball on a consistent and nightly basis. Thats what the "elite" guys do in my opinion.

[CelticHooligan3]

lets not forget that Derrick Rose who is a player who some claim "goes hard every night" has finally had that catch up to him as he has missed a TON of games this year

Last I checked, guys like Jordan, Olajuwon, KG, CP3, Nash, Kobe go hard every night and on every posession. 

  Not just every  night, but every possession? I find it hard to believe that this observation is from watching them play firsthand.

So we shouldnt be able to form different opinions if our own observations arent in direct line with yours? And yes i do watch all of those players and celtics firsthand as much as i have time for. Im not an uneducated fan. The sarcastic tonality is rather unneccesary in my eyes. No need to dismiss others opinions if they dont quite mesh with yours sir.