Most Franchises improve only one way

[goCeltics]

thru the draft

unless you trade for a star that wants out, u only usually only really improve thru the draft

Another option is Free Agency, where you sign a star, but that usually only happens in places like LA and miami

This team is most probably gonna have to rebuild thru the draft, and danny hitting on some picks.

[Celtic Fan Forever]

This is true, the top four players from the leagues top team were all drafted by that team within 3 years I believe (Durant, Ibaka, Harden, Westbrook). But 3 of those guys were also top 5 picks, so to build through the draft you need good picks and good judge of talent, neither of which we really have at this point.

[cman88]

alot of it is luck though, if just being in the lottery and drafting was the way to build a team then The Charlotte bobcats and Raptors wouldnt still be in the bargain basement...

the celtics already have a player to build "with" in rondo and im sure we can build a contendor through trades, the draft and free agency

[RyNye]

If this logic held through, no team would ever suck for more than a year or two, because the draft would immediately catapult them up.

Heck, how did Boston improve to win in 2008? It sure as heck wasn't through the draft.

[hpantazo]

If this logic held through, no team would ever suck for more than a year or two, because the draft would immediately catapult them up.

Heck, how did Boston improve to win in 2008? It sure as heck wasn't through the draft.

same for Miami, they didn't draft Lebron and Bosh. Something to be said for cap space

[Jon]

alot of it is luck though, if just being in the lottery and drafting was the way to build a team then The Charlotte bobcats and Raptors wouldnt still be in the bargain basement...

the celtics already have a player to build "with" in rondo and im sure we can build a contendor through trades, the draft and free agency

TP

Exactly, luck is a huge part.  Part of it is drafting well, but part of it is also being lucky enough to get a top pick in a great draft.  For all of the criticism that we can give the Clippers, had they been lucky enough to get the top pick in the '97 Draft (Duncan) instead of the '98 Draft (Olowokandi), things would've gone very differently for them.  

[cman88]

If this logic held through, no team would ever suck for more than a year or two, because the draft would immediately catapult them up.

Heck, how did Boston improve to win in 2008? It sure as heck wasn't through the draft.

[goCeltics]

If this logic held through, no team would ever suck for more than a year or two, because the draft would immediately catapult them up.

Heck, how did Boston improve to win in 2008? It sure as heck wasn't through the draft.

without ainge landing delonte, perk, rondo, jefferson in the draft there is no 2008. Also without tanking 2007 and getting a top 5 pick there is no 2008.

The only really great trades is where you get guys that want out, and if you wanna land those guys, you gotta land draft picks

[hpantazo]

If this logic held through, no team would ever suck for more than a year or two, because the draft would immediately catapult them up.

Heck, how did Boston improve to win in 2008? It sure as heck wasn't through the draft.

without ainge landing delonte, perk, rondo, jefferson in the draft there is no 2008. Also without tanking 2007 and getting a top 5 pick there is no 2008.

The only really great trades is where you get guys that want out, and if you wanna land those guys, you gotta land draft picks

or cap space, like miami did, and how Memphis got Randolph as well. You are overating the draft imo

[goCeltics]

If this logic held through, no team would ever suck for more than a year or two, because the draft would immediately catapult them up.

Heck, how did Boston improve to win in 2008? It sure as heck wasn't through the draft.

same for Miami, they didn't draft Lebron and Bosh. Something to be said for cap space

well sorry to say to all the people in boston, boston ain' t no miami. danny might be able to use cap space by getting some extra picks but like presti did, however there is more cap space now and  then was then

[goCeltics]

If this logic held through, no team would ever suck for more than a year or two, because the draft would immediately catapult them up.

Heck, how did Boston improve to win in 2008? It sure as heck wasn't through the draft.

without ainge landing delonte, perk, rondo, jefferson in the draft there is no 2008. Also without tanking 2007 and getting a top 5 pick there is no 2008.

The only really great trades is where you get guys that want out, and if you wanna land those guys, you gotta land draft picks

or cap space, like miami did, and how Memphis got Randolph as well. You are overating the draft imo

memphis ain't won jack. Also Gasol, Gay and Conley have some to do with it. This team ain't getting better unless ainge lands some picks

[hpantazo]

If this logic held through, no team would ever suck for more than a year or two, because the draft would immediately catapult them up.

Heck, how did Boston improve to win in 2008? It sure as heck wasn't through the draft.

without ainge landing delonte, perk, rondo, jefferson in the draft there is no 2008. Also without tanking 2007 and getting a top 5 pick there is no 2008.

The only really great trades is where you get guys that want out, and if you wanna land those guys, you gotta land draft picks

or cap space, like miami did, and how Memphis got Randolph as well. You are overating the draft imo

memphis ain't won jack. Also Gasol, Gay and Conley have some to do with it. This team ain't getting better unless ainge lands some picks

Gasol was acquired from the Pau trade, and Gay was not even playing when they went to the conference finals. They are a legit contender. As for your argument that boston aint miami, thank goodness, I would hate it if it was anything like miami. This has no relevance

[LooseCannon]

This is true, the top four players from the leagues top team were all drafted by that team within 3 years I believe (Durant, Ibaka, Harden, Westbrook). But 3 of those guys were also top 5 picks, so to build through the draft you need good picks and good judge of talent, neither of which we really have at this point.

Seattle/OKC got into a position to draft players such as Durant by drafting busts such as Robert Swift.  So, you probably need to be a bad judge of talent before you can be a good judge of talent.  So, rebuilding probably means firing Ainge for being too good.  (Then again, he did seem to love Swift.)

[goCeltics]

If this logic held through, no team would ever suck for more than a year or two, because the draft would immediately catapult them up.

Heck, how did Boston improve to win in 2008? It sure as heck wasn't through the draft.

without ainge landing delonte, perk, rondo, jefferson in the draft there is no 2008. Also without tanking 2007 and getting a top 5 pick there is no 2008.

The only really great trades is where you get guys that want out, and if you wanna land those guys, you gotta land draft picks

or cap space, like miami did, and how Memphis got Randolph as well. You are overating the draft imo

memphis ain't won jack. Also Gasol, Gay and Conley have some to do with it. This team ain't getting better unless ainge lands some picks

Gasol was acquired from the Pau trade, and Gay was not even playing when they went to the conference finals. They are a legit contender. As for your argument that boston aint miami, thank goodness, I would hate it if it was anything like miami. This has no relevance

well it has relevance if your in your mid twenties and really good at basketball and have a choice as to where your gonna play, and that has relevance if ur trying to build a winner and trying to attract that personal

Pau was acquired thru the draft and if memphis retained him, he would have done the same job if not better

btw

new york knicks
la clippers
portland


all franchises randolph destroyed before panning out for all mighty one conference final in memphis.

My point stands if you want the celts to improve greatly and get in a position for a title you better hope danny starts landing more talent thru the draft.

[tenn_smoothie]

if luck is one of the needed ingedients, then we are out of it, apparently.

i thought the Curse of Lenny had finally been vanquished with the '08 title, but judging from our bad fortune since that season, i'd say we are still paying some heavy karma debts, or else Red had a deal with the devil all those years and the agreement ran out in the summer of 1986.

when we finally put together a winner again after many years of suffering,  the very next season sees our most important player go down before we can defend our title. the next year, against all odds, we make a valiant run to the finals only to have it all taken away by one 4th quarter from hell. now, when Danny does make a move for fresher horses, their hearts mysteriously falter.

what have we done to deserve such cruel fates ??