Author Topic: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?  (Read 6425 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« on: March 13, 2012, 08:14:48 PM »

Offline mctyson

  • Rajon Rondo
  • *****
  • Posts: 5087
  • Tommy Points: 372
The video is up at espn.com.  This is why I hate journalists.  Not only do they not cite their sources, but they write completely illogical BS like this.

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 08:16:15 PM »

Offline Chris

  • Global Moderator
  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18008
  • Tommy Points: 642
I agree that it is frustrating, but I am not sure why its illogical?  What did they say that was illogical.

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2012, 08:21:50 PM »

Offline Smokeeye123

  • Bailey Howell
  • **
  • Posts: 2374
  • Tommy Points: 156
I can't find said video.

Anyways, Rondo is better than Gasol, so I'd keep him.

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2012, 10:06:40 PM »

Offline Celtics18

  • Ed Macauley
  • ***********
  • Posts: 11688
  • Tommy Points: 1469
I couldn't find this video or story, but in the past few weeks I have discovered that there are very few people who I dislike more passionately than Chris Broussard.

I don't think calling him a cowardly, irresponsible, yellow-bellied, gutless, talentless, sycophantic liar is too harsh.
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2012, 10:09:52 PM »

Offline CoachBo

  • NCE
  • Paul Silas
  • ******
  • Posts: 6069
  • Tommy Points: 336
Not sure why this is that hard to believe.

The league wanted no part of Rondo for Chris Paul. Didn't think it was value.

And the Lakers don't want to move Gasol for him, despite their acute need for a quality point.

Rondo will not bring a star in return. That's clear. The reasons are quite clear. The league doesn't value him nearly as much as this board does.

So don't trade him. Simple.
Coined the CelticsBlog term, "Euromistake."

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2012, 10:14:39 PM »

Offline BASS_THUMPER

  • Scal's #1 Fan
  • Ed Macauley
  • ***********
  • Posts: 11472
  • Tommy Points: 5352
  • Thumper of the BASS!
rondo gives his all even when it doesn't seem so and i have gained respect for him and he fits this team. this is his home

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2012, 12:23:17 AM »

Offline rasta1

  • Kristaps Porzingis
  • Posts: 185
  • Tommy Points: 21
Not sure why this is that hard to believe.

The league wanted no part of Rondo for Chris Paul. Didn't think it was value.

And the Lakers don't want to move Gasol for him, despite their acute need for a quality point.

Rondo will not bring a star in return. That's clear. The reasons are quite clear. The league doesn't value him nearly as much as this board does.

So don't trade him. Simple.

then why does he keep getting voted into the all-star game

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2012, 12:34:27 AM »

Offline riffic92

  • Baylor Scheierman
  • Posts: 18
  • Tommy Points: 2
people still listen to ESPN?

check out this expert analysis in the 5-on-5

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-120313/nba-trade-deadline-targets
Quote
Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: Fiction. Rondo is currently No. 17 in PER among point guards (he was No. 15 last year). His adjusted plus/minus is poor and Boston's offense has historically been mediocre due in part to his floor-shrinking shot-avoidance. In all, Rondo's a slightly above-average player unless he starts shooting and getting fouled (at which point he becomes awesome). I don't get the mythology surrounding this guy, but it certainly inflates his market value.

yeah. the offense that has been leading the league in FG% with Rondo at the point. that one.

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2012, 07:46:21 AM »

Offline mctyson

  • Rajon Rondo
  • *****
  • Posts: 5087
  • Tommy Points: 372
link to the video (right side of page) here:

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/bos/boston-celtics

It is illogical because I could not understand any scenario in which Danny offers Rondo for Gasol, and more importantly the Lakers turning this deal down.  If I was Mitch Kupchik and Rondo was offered for Gasol I'd walk down to the locker room and pack up his stuff personally.

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2012, 08:04:58 AM »

Offline CoachBo

  • NCE
  • Paul Silas
  • ******
  • Posts: 6069
  • Tommy Points: 336
Not sure why this is that hard to believe.

The league wanted no part of Rondo for Chris Paul. Didn't think it was value.

And the Lakers don't want to move Gasol for him, despite their acute need for a quality point. I don't blame them.

Rondo will not bring a star in return. That's clear. The reasons are quite clear. The league doesn't value him nearly as much as this board does.

So don't trade him. Simple.

then why does he keep getting voted into the all-star game

Remind me again why the all-star game matters.

Attitude. Effort, or the lack thereof. Shooting.

Lots of reasons why other teams don't consider Rondo a star. Lots of them. These are professional basketball people, not posters on a decidedly pro-Rondo blog. Can't say as I blame them. I wouldn't do the deal from the Lakers' side, either, especially not for a guy who pouted a half-season away when his 4-and-5 best buddy got traded.

No need to give him away. Great opportunity to use the experience to tell him, "Kid, we can't move you for a star because you're stubborn, you don't bring it every night and you're an offensive liability in the halfcourt."

Shot's improving, some. Now, if he'd bring it every night you might end up glad you didn't move him - although his game is a terrible fit for the Celtics right now due to the deteriorating scoring of the Big 3, a point I made last summer when Rondo's ball-stopping and inability to shoot absolutely destroyed the half-court offense in the Heat series.

Danny's not going to get a star for Rondo. No team's that interested in him.

So you might as well just keep pounding into his head that the game is not all about him.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2012, 08:14:02 AM by CoachBo »
Coined the CelticsBlog term, "Euromistake."

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2012, 08:37:26 AM »

Offline 2short

  • Paul Silas
  • ******
  • Posts: 6080
  • Tommy Points: 428
Not sure why this is that hard to believe.

The league wanted no part of Rondo for Chris Paul. Didn't think it was value.

And the Lakers don't want to move Gasol for him, despite their acute need for a quality point. I don't blame them.

Rondo will not bring a star in return. That's clear. The reasons are quite clear. The league doesn't value him nearly as much as this board does.

So don't trade him. Simple.

then why does he keep getting voted into the all-star game

Remind me again why the all-star game matters.

Attitude. Effort, or the lack thereof. Shooting.

Lots of reasons why other teams don't consider Rondo a star. Lots of them. These are professional basketball people, not posters on a decidedly pro-Rondo blog. Can't say as I blame them. I wouldn't do the deal from the Lakers' side, either, especially not for a guy who pouted a half-season away when his 4-and-5 best buddy got traded.

No need to give him away. Great opportunity to use the experience to tell him, "Kid, we can't move you for a star because you're stubborn, you don't bring it every night and you're an offensive liability in the halfcourt."

Shot's improving, some. Now, if he'd bring it every night you might end up glad you didn't move him - although his game is a terrible fit for the Celtics right now due to the deteriorating scoring of the Big 3, a point I made last summer when Rondo's ball-stopping and inability to shoot absolutely destroyed the half-court offense in the Heat series.

Danny's not going to get a star for Rondo. No team's that interested in him.

So you might as well just keep pounding into his head that the game is not all about him.
so rondo's play is the reason we lost the heat series?

No team is that interested in him.  sources?
 ::)  ::)

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 09:02:03 AM »

Offline Bankshot

  • Tiny Archibald
  • *******
  • Posts: 7540
  • Tommy Points: 632
I don't even know why Ainge would even entertain such a trade and help to improve the Lakers. >:(
"If somebody would have told you when he was playing with the Knicks that Nate Robinson was going to change a big time game and he was going to do it mostly because of his defense, somebody would have got slapped."  Mark Jackson

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2012, 09:02:53 AM »

Offline greenpride32

  • Bill Walton
  • *
  • Posts: 1310
  • Tommy Points: 83
Heh, it's okay to be a Rondo fan.  But it's pathetic to be in denial that he's not good enough to land a top 20-25 player.  Turned down for Gasol, Paul, Curry, Westbrook.  Rondo can't close out games.  Any player in the top 30-35 is a guy the coach would not mind taking the last shot.  I think this deficiency really hurts Rondo's trade value, especially when the expectation is an all star level player is the asking price.

Unless he improves his game is won't be going to the ASG anymore with Rose, Irving, and possibly Wall.  Plus D-Will moved to the east.  Look at the west all these years with Nash, Parker, Paul, Deron, Westbrook; how many ASG would Rondo make going against them?

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 09:17:22 AM »

Offline myteamisbetterthanyours

  • Derrick White
  • Posts: 250
  • Tommy Points: 31
If you don't think Rondo is good enough to be traded for top tier talent, you're probably remedial.

Everyone in the NBA has weaknesses.. Rondo only has one. Unless you count attitude, stubborness and genius as weaknesses.  His shot will most definitely get better in the next few years (ala Jason Kidd who shot under 40% his first 3 years in the league).   Heck, he's already proven he can consistently hit that elbow jumper now.  But give him a few years and he'll be hitting them when it matters and hopefully will improve his range (ala Jason Kidd).  

The fact he only has one weakness is amazing.  He can run like a gazelle, jump like frog, finish at the rim, pass like no other, defend, has elite basketball iq comparable to, if not better than Lebron, Kobe, Kidd and a select few, and has the uncanny ability to make everyone play to his style.  

Sagging off of him doesn't always work, he's so quick, he'll blow by you anyway.  Boxing him out doesn't work, he's so agile he'll just slither his way around you.  And he can play the post better than any pg in my opinion other than Deron Williams (Post the kid up more Doc).  What this kid does on the basketball court is unlike anything anyone has ever seen and its a shame people don't realize it.  He's a flat out unique talent.

People think he isn't elite because he can't "shoot."  Shaq couldn't shoot... But he dominated... not just cause he's a big man and big men back then didnt shoot anyway, but because he has OTHER SUPERIOR strengths that make him an impactful player.  

You know Rondo isn't going to shoot over you to beat you but he's going to beat you regardless..... in SOOOO many other ways.  

Rose can't pass like Rondo can.. He can't rebound like Rondo can.. He can't defend like Rondo can.. He can't see the court like Rondo can.. and they're speed and athleticism is a wash... Only thing Rose has over Rondo is Shooting and Strength... thats it.  And yet, many people consider Rose to be the better point guard of the two.. But he's not.. He's the better scorer of the two.. Big difference.

Rondo is the best point guard in the NBA if not then he's number 2.. Only other point guard I would put over him is Chris Paul.  Don't even get me started on Russell Westbrook either.. He isn't a point guard... He's a combo guard with FREAKISH athleticism (who id love to see in a dunk contest) but who averages 4 turnovers a game and only 5.5 asts... Just as a comparison, Paul Pierce averages 5.4 asts and 3 turnovers a game.. In conclusion Paul Pierce is a better point guard than Russell Westbrook...  

But anyway for all you naysayers out there that try and diss Rondo's game, name me 5 other point guards who have 13 nationally televised triple doubles and get back to me.. (I'll be waiting....probably forever)

Don't ever doubt Rondo... or you will get Rondo'd.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2012, 09:25:23 AM by myteamisbetterthanyours »

Re: LA Lakers Turned Down Rondo for Gasol?
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 09:23:47 AM »

Offline GreenFaith1819

  • NCE
  • Reggie Lewis
  • ***************
  • Posts: 15402
  • Tommy Points: 2785
Not sure why this is that hard to believe.

The league wanted no part of Rondo for Chris Paul. Didn't think it was value.

And the Lakers don't want to move Gasol for him, despite their acute need for a quality point. I don't blame them.

Rondo will not bring a star in return. That's clear. The reasons are quite clear. The league doesn't value him nearly as much as this board does.

So don't trade him. Simple.

then why does he keep getting voted into the all-star game

Remind me again why the all-star game matters.

Attitude. Effort, or the lack thereof. Shooting.

Lots of reasons why other teams don't consider Rondo a star. Lots of them. These are professional basketball people, not posters on a decidedly pro-Rondo blog. Can't say as I blame them. I wouldn't do the deal from the Lakers' side, either, especially not for a guy who pouted a half-season away when his 4-and-5 best buddy got traded.

No need to give him away. Great opportunity to use the experience to tell him, "Kid, we can't move you for a star because you're stubborn, you don't bring it every night and you're an offensive liability in the halfcourt."

Shot's improving, some. Now, if he'd bring it every night you might end up glad you didn't move him - although his game is a terrible fit for the Celtics right now due to the deteriorating scoring of the Big 3, a point I made last summer when Rondo's ball-stopping and inability to shoot absolutely destroyed the half-court offense in the Heat series.

Danny's not going to get a star for Rondo. No team's that interested in him.

So you might as well just keep pounding into his head that the game is not all about him.

Well, I don't know, Coach - Rondo is appearing to turn the corner, there. We'd all have to admit that over the last few weeks he's been rather consistent.

BOS (and Rondo) has victories vs NJ (and Deron)...Clips (and CP3)...GREAT GAME vs Lakers..enough to the point that I saw Kobe Bryant guarding Rondo for the 1st time. Disappointing loss on Sunday, but hey I'd take THAT Rondo any day of the week.

Doc Rivers even quoted "I'm not sure how he did offensively, but his defense, especially vs CP3, was spectacular."

I can pull the quote up, if anyone wishes. It was from ESPN.Com on Monday night after the Clips victory.

I know I've been on the other side of the Rondo bandwagon, too, over the last few weeks or so. I was an advocate of trading him for Steph Curry or Pau at one time. He seemed moody, inconsistent, unreliable - you name it.

Just on the personality standpoint - haven't ALL Superstars had personality issues? I thought that Bird/Magic/Michael all had their quirks, too.

But - I KNOW :) - those three could hoop their butts off. Rondo is approaching those three, still.

But like I said earlier - we'd ALL have to admit that Rajon Rondo is improving - right before our eyes. Someone else could pull up the statistics if they'd wish, but his jumper is looking more reliable...he's pacing the game..pushing the ball when needed, and slowing things down when needed...he's becoming more vocal...he's being a leader. He's allowing this vet squad of ours to perhaps compete in the post season.

This squad will go only as far as Rajon Rondo goes. KG is our defensive anchor and emotional leader, Paul is the Captain, Ray is cool assassin, but Rajon is the motor of this team right now.

IMO, just the type of cornerstone that BOS needs going forth.

I posted yesterday that as Rajon Rondo develops his jumper, there will be absolutely NOTHING separating him from CP3 and Deron Williams. I stand by that.

I'm even starting to wonder if CP3 is as great a player as ESPN (and even US) believe him to be. His Clips team is in a tailspin, right now. ESPN doesn't seem to report on this enough. They've lost more games than they've won, since a certain future HOF PG tore his achilles (Chauncey).

So tell me, Celticsbloggers or anyone for that matter - who is the REAL star of the Clips?

All the pundits (even President Obama - luv ya, Pres :)) will HAVE to admit that as Rajon develops his jumper and brings it on a consistent basis (like he has the last few weeks) then he sits at the same dinner table as the great PGs of the game today, plain and simple. He's starting to do that.

And as for LA? Well, I LOVE Pau's game. I still believe that he is under-rated in LA. They threw the poor fella under the bus last year, blaming him for everything that went wrong in that DAL series, while seemingly giving Bynum a pass. I still believe he'd benefit from a change of scenery, IMO.

Whether or not LA turned down Rondo, they will need something going forth to allow them to compete in the playoffs. That squad struggled to beat MEM without Rudy Gay or Zach, and will have to face them, OKC, DAL or perhaps the Spurs in the playoffs.

I don't know if they can beat those odds with the squad as is. Their perimeter is still a bit porous.

As for whether other teams consider Rondo a star? I thought that SI just did a piece about how Rondo was voted the 12th best player to play with, or something to that matter, by the players. He is more likeable than we sometimes give credit.

ESPN gives Rondo (and BOS, for that matter), a slighted view, IMO. We are "Old"...not "Hip"....too "Traditional"....don't have "highlight" options (see Clips).

I've seen it myself..all you have to do is watch the tendencies of the reporting over time. Of course they'd have a slightly tilted view of Rondo. But they are missing his true worth.

That's why I watch NBATV more and more.

But back to Rajon - here is the same player who tried to play with a dislocated arm in the playoffs  - after DWade took him down. Rondo has some great qualities about him, and as he improves off and on the court, those same qualities will allow him to compete with the superstars in the near future.

Here is the same guy who carried BOS in 08-09, after KG (and Powe) went down...Rondo OWNED Rose in that playoff series that year.

Here is the same guy who nearly averaged a triple double vs CLE in 09-10. Him and KG carried BOS in that series.

I hope that his future is in Green. Any true basketball star who knows the game knows Rajon Rondo's worth.