Diaw the Wilcox replacement?

[Fafnir]

It is mind-boggling.  Hickson, Diaw, Turiaf: they all must have been cheap to acquire and we had the contracts/2nd round picks to spare.

This isn't necessarily true.

A buyout saves the team who does it money, the player doesn't get 100% of his remaining contract. Any trade with Boston could convcievably cost such a team money due to how the salary matches worked out, with Boston's only carrot being a 2nd round pick that doesn't have much value.

So a team could have just tried to get Bradley or a first round pick out of Boston because otherwise they'd just do a buyout.

[Geo123]

From Wojo:

Y! Sources: Spurs emerge as frontrunners for Boris Diaw should he clear waivers.

Looks like it's Hollins and Fesenko then?

It's amazing how Danny didn't trade for one of these guys.

It is mind-boggling.  Hickson, Diaw, Turiaf: they all must have been cheap to acquire and we had the contracts/2nd round picks to spare.

These teams wanted players and picks for these guys.  That's why nobody else traded for them either.  For Hickson it was reported they wanted Bradley.  Turiaf was included in a trade so we coldn't have gotten him. For Diaw we would have had to trade picks AND 9 million in salary....

We had nothing to trade that we were willing to give up for these guys.  We weren't giving up a #1 and we weren't giving up any players of value.  

O'Neal had no value and neither did Dooling which is what it would have cost in order to make a trade for Diaw salary wise...

[snively]

It is mind-boggling.  Hickson, Diaw, Turiaf: they all must have been cheap to acquire and we had the contracts/2nd round picks to spare.

This isn't necessarily true.

A buyout saves the team who does it money, the player doesn't get 100% of his remaining contract. Any trade with Boston could convcievably cost such a team money due to how the salary matches worked out, with Boston's only carrot being a 2nd round pick that doesn't have much value.

So a team could have just tried to get Bradley or a first round pick out of Boston because otherwise they'd just do a buyout.

We had enough contracts to make it work, IMHO.  Dooling made less than Hickson while still being in the trade range.  Ditto for Wilcox and one of our minimum guys for Turiaf.  Ditto again for JO and Dooling (or two of our minimum guys) to Charlotte for Diaw.

Throw in some cash, and I think the opposing team could have made out better than a buyout scenario financially, in addition to picking up a 2nd round pick.

I wasn't there so I can't know for sure, but it certainly is frustrating from my viewpoint.

[redbov]

From Wojo:

Y! Sources: Spurs emerge as frontrunners for Boris Diaw should he clear waivers.

Looks like it's Hollins and Fesenko then?

It's amazing how Danny didn't trade for one of these guys.

It is mind-boggling.  Hickson, Diaw, Turiaf: they all must have been cheap to acquire and we had the contracts/2nd round picks to spare.

These teams wanted players and picks for these guys.  That's why nobody else traded for them either.  For Hickson it was reported they wanted Bradley.  Turiaf was included in a trade so we coldn't have gotten him. For Diaw we would have had to trade picks AND 9 million in salary....

We had nothing to trade that we were willing to give up for these guys.  We weren't giving up a #1 and we weren't giving up any players of value.  

O'Neal had no value and neither did Dooling which is what it would have cost in order to make a trade for Diaw salary wise...

You can send all those reports to the trash can.

All these guys would be available for some money savings - in the form of cash or by the total salary of the players going out being smaller - and/or a 2nd round pick.

Major failing by Ainge.

[Geo123]

From Wojo:

Y! Sources: Spurs emerge as frontrunners for Boris Diaw should he clear waivers.

Looks like it's Hollins and Fesenko then?

It's amazing how Danny didn't trade for one of these guys.

It is mind-boggling.  Hickson, Diaw, Turiaf: they all must have been cheap to acquire and we had the contracts/2nd round picks to spare.

These teams wanted players and picks for these guys.  That's why nobody else traded for them either.  For Hickson it was reported they wanted Bradley.  Turiaf was included in a trade so we coldn't have gotten him. For Diaw we would have had to trade picks AND 9 million in salary....

We had nothing to trade that we were willing to give up for these guys.  We weren't giving up a #1 and we weren't giving up any players of value.  

O'Neal had no value and neither did Dooling which is what it would have cost in order to make a trade for Diaw salary wise...

You can send all those reports to the trash can.

All these guys would be available for some money savings - in the form of cash or by the total salary of the players going out being smaller - and/or a 2nd round pick.

Major failing by Ainge.

You can say what you want but none of those players could be traded to us as a cost savings.  Since we're over the cap we had to trade dollar for dollar so sorry in our case your wrong...

[jdz101]

From Wojo:

Y! Sources: Spurs emerge as frontrunners for Boris Diaw should he clear waivers.

Looks like it's Hollins and Fesenko then?

It's amazing how Danny didn't trade for one of these guys.

It is mind-boggling.  Hickson, Diaw, Turiaf: they all must have been cheap to acquire and we had the contracts/2nd round picks to spare.

These teams wanted players and picks for these guys.  That's why nobody else traded for them either.  For Hickson it was reported they wanted Bradley.  Turiaf was included in a trade so we coldn't have gotten him. For Diaw we would have had to trade picks AND 9 million in salary....

We had nothing to trade that we were willing to give up for these guys.  We weren't giving up a #1 and we weren't giving up any players of value.  

O'Neal had no value and neither did Dooling which is what it would have cost in order to make a trade for Diaw salary wise...

You can send all those reports to the trash can.

All these guys would be available for some money savings - in the form of cash or by the total salary of the players going out being smaller - and/or a 2nd round pick.

Major failing by Ainge.

Ahh cool so what part of the celtics front office are you? We're you on the phone to Jordan at the deadline?

Boris diaw may be fat but I really doubt he was available for a big pile of nothing and a second.

[snively]

From Wojo:

Y! Sources: Spurs emerge as frontrunners for Boris Diaw should he clear waivers.

Looks like it's Hollins and Fesenko then?

It's amazing how Danny didn't trade for one of these guys.

It is mind-boggling.  Hickson, Diaw, Turiaf: they all must have been cheap to acquire and we had the contracts/2nd round picks to spare.

These teams wanted players and picks for these guys.  That's why nobody else traded for them either.  For Hickson it was reported they wanted Bradley.  Turiaf was included in a trade so we coldn't have gotten him. For Diaw we would have had to trade picks AND 9 million in salary....

We had nothing to trade that we were willing to give up for these guys.  We weren't giving up a #1 and we weren't giving up any players of value. 

O'Neal had no value and neither did Dooling which is what it would have cost in order to make a trade for Diaw salary wise...

You can send all those reports to the trash can.

All these guys would be available for some money savings - in the form of cash or by the total salary of the players going out being smaller - and/or a 2nd round pick.

Major failing by Ainge.

You can say what you want but none of those players could be traded to us as a cost savings.  Since we're over the cap we had to trade dollar for dollar so sorry in our case your wrong...

Dollar for dollar?  Just has to be within 125% + $100k.  Over the cap teams save money in player for player trades all the time.

[Roy H.]

I'm pretty disappointed about not landing Diaw (reportedly).  He was one of the very few bought out players who could have made a positive impact.

[redbov]

From Wojo:

Y! Sources: Spurs emerge as frontrunners for Boris Diaw should he clear waivers.

Looks like it's Hollins and Fesenko then?

It's amazing how Danny didn't trade for one of these guys.

It is mind-boggling.  Hickson, Diaw, Turiaf: they all must have been cheap to acquire and we had the contracts/2nd round picks to spare.

These teams wanted players and picks for these guys.  That's why nobody else traded for them either.  For Hickson it was reported they wanted Bradley.  Turiaf was included in a trade so we coldn't have gotten him. For Diaw we would have had to trade picks AND 9 million in salary....

We had nothing to trade that we were willing to give up for these guys.  We weren't giving up a #1 and we weren't giving up any players of value.  

O'Neal had no value and neither did Dooling which is what it would have cost in order to make a trade for Diaw salary wise...

You can send all those reports to the trash can.

All these guys would be available for some money savings - in the form of cash or by the total salary of the players going out being smaller - and/or a 2nd round pick.

Major failing by Ainge.

Ahh cool so what part of the celtics front office are you? We're you on the phone to Jordan at the deadline?

Boris diaw may be fat but I really doubt he was available for a big pile of nothing and a second.

Nonsense. Unless for some weird reason, the Bobcats FO decided to get a worse deal for themselves instead of a better one by trading him to another team.

You understand he was traded by a few dollars saved, right?

[redbov]

You can say what you want but none of those players could be traded to us as a cost savings.  Since we're over the cap we had to trade dollar for dollar so sorry in our case your wrong...

Nope. You're wrong, not me. It was possible to trade Jermaine O'Neal insurance paid contract + Dooling + a 2nd/some cash for Diaw for example.

[Fafnir]

Since when is Jermaine's contract being paid by insurance?

[jdz101]

From Wojo:

Y! Sources: Spurs emerge as frontrunners for Boris Diaw should he clear waivers.

Looks like it's Hollins and Fesenko then?

It's amazing how Danny didn't trade for one of these guys.

It is mind-boggling.  Hickson, Diaw, Turiaf: they all must have been cheap to acquire and we had the contracts/2nd round picks to spare.

These teams wanted players and picks for these guys.  That's why nobody else traded for them either.  For Hickson it was reported they wanted Bradley.  Turiaf was included in a trade so we coldn't have gotten him. For Diaw we would have had to trade picks AND 9 million in salary....

We had nothing to trade that we were willing to give up for these guys.  We weren't giving up a #1 and we weren't giving up any players of value.  

O'Neal had no value and neither did Dooling which is what it would have cost in order to make a trade for Diaw salary wise...

You can send all those reports to the trash can.

All these guys would be available for some money savings - in the form of cash or by the total salary of the players going out being smaller - and/or a 2nd round pick.

Major failing by Ainge.

Ahh cool so what part of the celtics front office are you? We're you on the phone to Jordan at the deadline?

Boris diaw may be fat but I really doubt he was available for a big pile of nothing and a second.

Nonsense. Unless for some weird reason, the Bobcats FO decided to get a worse deal for themselves instead of a better one by trading him to another team.

You understand he was traded by a few dollars saved, right?

How is it nonsense? Charlotte may have tried to trade him somewhere for better assets but had no takers, much like ainge with ray allen... And then when diaw still wanted out they bought out his contract.

It's very easy to criticize GMs with hindsight but just because diaw was eventually bought out, it doesn't mean he was available at the deadline for a trade equivalent to said buyout.

[Finkelskyhook]

Since when is Jermaine's contract being paid by insurance?

Hopefully there wasn't an insurance company as gullible as Danny Ainge...O'Neal was about a 100% risk from an insurance standpoint based on his history.

[Geo123]

Since when is Jermaine's contract being paid by insurance?

Hopefully there wasn't an insurance company as gullible as Danny Ainge...O'Neal was about a 100% risk from an insurance standpoint based on his history.

[Geo123]

Since when is Jermaine's contract being paid by insurance?

Exactly but I wasn't going to get into an internet argument...