Do not take long term deals back in any deals (blatche)

[rondohondo]

On the front page it is asking if you would take on blatche's contract in order to land McGee, and my answer is helllllll no

McGee
Beasley
Josh Smith

They are all restricted free agents this year , why give up assets like a good 1st round pick or take bad bad contracts like blatche to land these guys when you can simply offer them a big contract this summer .

I mean the c's have to be at the top of the list for Josh Smith( grew up with Rondo and Rondo was a groomsman at his wedding). You could even do a s+t if necessary because you will have a ton of cap space and give Atlanta back a trade exception .

Do not give up Bradley or the c's pick for these guys. Most I would give up would be JJJ,Clippers pick and filler (Bass,Ray,JO)

[LarBrd33]

On the front page it is asking if you would take on blatche's contract in order to land McGee, and my answer is helllllll no

McGee
Beasley
Josh Smith

They are all restricted free agents this year , why give up assets like a good 1st round pick or take bad bad contracts like blatche to land these guys when you can simply offer them a big contract this summer .

I mean the c's have to be at the top of the list for Josh Smith( grew up with Rondo and Rondo was a groomsman at his wedding). You could even do a s+t if necessary because you will have a ton of cap space and give Atlanta back a trade exception .

Do not give up Bradley or the c's pick for these guys. Most I would give up would be JJJ,Clippers pick and filler

Smith isn't a free agent this year.

You trade for a guy like McGee, I guess, because then you're in control. Instead of blindly offering him an overpaid contract in the offseason (lets face it... he's the best we can do in free agency) and HOPING that the Wizards don't match... you'd be the one in charge.  You keep him for a reasonable deal (since he's restricted) or match any offer he gets. He's locked in... and probably for cheaper than you could get him in free agency (if you could get him at all).

[rondohondo]

my bad, I thought Smith was  restricted after this year, in that case I would give up both 1sts for him so we can try to lure Dwight, but wouldn't give up much for the other 2 . Atlanta can probably do better than that though .

[LarBrd33]

my bad, I thought Smith was  restricted after this year, in that case I would give up both 1sts for him so we can try to lure Dwight, but wouldn't give up much for the other 2 . Atlanta can probably do better than that though .

Both 1sts and Ray for Smith so we can match salaries?  Is that what you mean?

[rondohondo]

my bad, I thought Smith was  restricted after this year, in that case I would give up both 1sts for him so we can try to lure Dwight, but wouldn't give up much for the other 2 . Atlanta can probably do better than that though .

Both 1sts and Ray for Smith so we can match salaries?  Is that what you mean?

I would give up 2 1st's,ray,Bass and JJJ for Smith , and yes send Ray to make the salaries match

[LarBrd33]

my bad, I thought Smith was  restricted after this year, in that case I would give up both 1sts for him so we can try to lure Dwight, but wouldn't give up much for the other 2 . Atlanta can probably do better than that though .

Both 1sts and Ray for Smith so we can match salaries?  Is that what you mean?

First of all, I say there's a 95% chance that Dwight will be off the market in about 5 days.  If you're Orlando do you pass up the packages they are being offered in trade when it's obvious Dwight will sign with Brooklyn in the offseason?

But let's assume this isn't true..

If you trade for Smith (without giving up Pierce), you'll have Rondo, Pierce, Smith under contract next year.  That leaves you about 12 mil to offer Dwight.   Not happening.  In the unlikely event he reaches free agency he'll command 18-19 mil in first year salary via sign-and-trade.

Not to mention... you'd have to say GOODBYE to Ray, KG, Jeff Green and Bass in order to have that 12 mil to offer Dwight.

That's an aspect of this that people don’t seem to understand…  Technically we will have 25 mil in cap space if we stand pat with our current roster.  You can only obtain that 25 mil in cap space if you RENOUNCE THE BIRD RIGHTS to KG, Ray, Jeff Green and Bass. So even if you could “theoretically” spend that 25 mil on a couple guys of the level of Blatche and McGee… you’re basically saying goodbye to KG, Ray, Jeff Green and Bass since the most you could offer them would be the vet minimum.

The benefit of trading for guys like Blatche and McGee now is that you not only will have them on board next year, but you can retain the bird rights to KG, Ray etc and bring the entire gang back next year.

[rondohondo]

my bad, I thought Smith was  restricted after this year, in that case I would give up both 1sts for him so we can try to lure Dwight, but wouldn't give up much for the other 2 . Atlanta can probably do better than that though .

Both 1sts and Ray for Smith so we can match salaries?  Is that what you mean?

First of all, I say there's a 95% chance that Dwight will be off the market in about 5 days.  If you're Orlando do you pass up the packages they are being offered in trade when it's obvious Dwight will sign with Brooklyn in the offseason?

But let's assume this isn't true..

If you trade for Smith (without giving up Pierce), you'll have Rondo, Pierce, Smith under contract next year.  That leaves you about 12 mil to offer Dwight.   Not happening.  In the unlikely event he reaches free agency he'll command 18-19 mil in first year salary via sign-and-trade.

Not to mention... you'd have to say GOODBYE to Ray and KG in order to have that 12 mil to offer Dwight.

That's an aspect of this that people don’t seem to understand is this…  Technically we will have 25 mil in cap space if we stand pat with our current roster.  You can only obtain that 25 mil in cap space if you RENOUNCE THE BIRD RIGHTS to KG, Ray, Jeff Green and Bass. So even if you could “theoretically” spend that 25 mil on a couple guys of the level of Blatche and McGee… you’re basically saying goodbye to KG, Ray, Jeff Green and Bass since the most you could offer them would be the vet minimum.

The benefit of trading for guys like Blatche and McGee now is that you not only will have them on board next year, but you can retain the bird rights to KG, Ray etc and bring the entire gang back next year.

amnesty PP, I have no doubt that they would do this if they had a chance to sign Dwight

core of Rondo,Smith and Dwight and probably about 10 mil left to fill out the wing positions. 5 mil to beasley 5 mil + to get another wing(jeff green?)

[LarBrd33]

my bad, I thought Smith was  restricted after this year, in that case I would give up both 1sts for him so we can try to lure Dwight, but wouldn't give up much for the other 2 . Atlanta can probably do better than that though .

Both 1sts and Ray for Smith so we can match salaries?  Is that what you mean?

First of all, I say there's a 95% chance that Dwight will be off the market in about 5 days.  If you're Orlando do you pass up the packages they are being offered in trade when it's obvious Dwight will sign with Brooklyn in the offseason?

But let's assume this isn't true..

If you trade for Smith (without giving up Pierce), you'll have Rondo, Pierce, Smith under contract next year.  That leaves you about 12 mil to offer Dwight.   Not happening.  In the unlikely event he reaches free agency he'll command 18-19 mil in first year salary via sign-and-trade.

Not to mention... you'd have to say GOODBYE to Ray and KG in order to have that 12 mil to offer Dwight.

That's an aspect of this that people don’t seem to understand is this…  Technically we will have 25 mil in cap space if we stand pat with our current roster.  You can only obtain that 25 mil in cap space if you RENOUNCE THE BIRD RIGHTS to KG, Ray, Jeff Green and Bass. So even if you could “theoretically” spend that 25 mil on a couple guys of the level of Blatche and McGee… you’re basically saying goodbye to KG, Ray, Jeff Green and Bass since the most you could offer them would be the vet minimum.

The benefit of trading for guys like Blatche and McGee now is that you not only will have them on board next year, but you can retain the bird rights to KG, Ray etc and bring the entire gang back next year.

amnesty PP, I have no doubt that they would do this if they had a chance to sign Dwight

core of Rondo,Smith and Dwight and probably about 10 mil left to fill out the wing positions. 5 mil to beasley 5 mil + to get another wing(jeff green?)

If your master plan is to amnesty PP (they'd still have to pay him) and get nothing in return... why not just trade Pierce now since he actually has value.  We can easily get a late 1st rounder for him.

[rondohondo]

my bad, I thought Smith was  restricted after this year, in that case I would give up both 1sts for him so we can try to lure Dwight, but wouldn't give up much for the other 2 . Atlanta can probably do better than that though .

Both 1sts and Ray for Smith so we can match salaries?  Is that what you mean?

First of all, I say there's a 95% chance that Dwight will be off the market in about 5 days.  If you're Orlando do you pass up the packages they are being offered in trade when it's obvious Dwight will sign with Brooklyn in the offseason?

But let's assume this isn't true..

If you trade for Smith (without giving up Pierce), you'll have Rondo, Pierce, Smith under contract next year.  That leaves you about 12 mil to offer Dwight.   Not happening.  In the unlikely event he reaches free agency he'll command 18-19 mil in first year salary via sign-and-trade.

Not to mention... you'd have to say GOODBYE to Ray and KG in order to have that 12 mil to offer Dwight.

That's an aspect of this that people don’t seem to understand is this…  Technically we will have 25 mil in cap space if we stand pat with our current roster.  You can only obtain that 25 mil in cap space if you RENOUNCE THE BIRD RIGHTS to KG, Ray, Jeff Green and Bass. So even if you could “theoretically” spend that 25 mil on a couple guys of the level of Blatche and McGee… you’re basically saying goodbye to KG, Ray, Jeff Green and Bass since the most you could offer them would be the vet minimum.

The benefit of trading for guys like Blatche and McGee now is that you not only will have them on board next year, but you can retain the bird rights to KG, Ray etc and bring the entire gang back next year.

amnesty PP, I have no doubt that they would do this if they had a chance to sign Dwight

core of Rondo,Smith and Dwight and probably about 10 mil left to fill out the wing positions. 5 mil to beasley 5 mil + to get another wing(jeff green?)

If your master plan is to amnesty PP (they'd still have to pay him) and get nothing in return... why not just trade Pierce now since he actually has value.  We can easily get a late 1st rounder for him.

I would trade PP, but I don't think there is anyway you trade him and not take a long term contract like Marvin Williams back, that's the problem . Ray is an expiring and still one of the best shooters in the league, if not the best .

[LarBrd33]

my bad, I thought Smith was  restricted after this year, in that case I would give up both 1sts for him so we can try to lure Dwight, but wouldn't give up much for the other 2 . Atlanta can probably do better than that though .

Both 1sts and Ray for Smith so we can match salaries?  Is that what you mean?

First of all, I say there's a 95% chance that Dwight will be off the market in about 5 days.  If you're Orlando do you pass up the packages they are being offered in trade when it's obvious Dwight will sign with Brooklyn in the offseason?

But let's assume this isn't true..

If you trade for Smith (without giving up Pierce), you'll have Rondo, Pierce, Smith under contract next year.  That leaves you about 12 mil to offer Dwight.   Not happening.  In the unlikely event he reaches free agency he'll command 18-19 mil in first year salary via sign-and-trade.

Not to mention... you'd have to say GOODBYE to Ray and KG in order to have that 12 mil to offer Dwight.

That's an aspect of this that people don’t seem to understand is this…  Technically we will have 25 mil in cap space if we stand pat with our current roster.  You can only obtain that 25 mil in cap space if you RENOUNCE THE BIRD RIGHTS to KG, Ray, Jeff Green and Bass. So even if you could “theoretically” spend that 25 mil on a couple guys of the level of Blatche and McGee… you’re basically saying goodbye to KG, Ray, Jeff Green and Bass since the most you could offer them would be the vet minimum.

The benefit of trading for guys like Blatche and McGee now is that you not only will have them on board next year, but you can retain the bird rights to KG, Ray etc and bring the entire gang back next year.

amnesty PP, I have no doubt that they would do this if they had a chance to sign Dwight

core of Rondo,Smith and Dwight and probably about 10 mil left to fill out the wing positions. 5 mil to beasley 5 mil + to get another wing(jeff green?)

If your master plan is to amnesty PP (they'd still have to pay him) and get nothing in return... why not just trade Pierce now since he actually has value.  We can easily get a late 1st rounder for him.

I would trade PP, but I don't think there is anyway you trade him and not take a long term contract like Marvin Williams back, that's the problem . Ray is an expiring and still one of the best shooters in the league, if not the best .

If you traded Pierce right now to Indiana for Amundsom (for salary purposes) and a 1st rounder... You're looking at about 41 million in cap space next year.  Chase your pipe dream all the way.  You could offer Dwight AND Deron a new home and then just ship off Rondo to the highest bidder (a Josh Smith for example)... and still have your three first round picks in 2012 (our own, the clippers and the pick you get from trading Pierce)

While you're at it... dump Ray off on Chicago for a couple expiring contracts and the future Bobcats pick they are holding onto.

That's how you blow it up, buddy boy!

[csfansince60s]

my bad, I thought Smith was  restricted after this year, in that case I would give up both 1sts for him so we can try to lure Dwight, but wouldn't give up much for the other 2 . Atlanta can probably do better than that though .

Both 1sts and Ray for Smith so we can match salaries?  Is that what you mean?

First of all, I say there's a 95% chance that Dwight will be off the market in about 5 days.  If you're Orlando do you pass up the packages they are being offered in trade when it's obvious Dwight will sign with Brooklyn in the offseason?

But let's assume this isn't true..

If you trade for Smith (without giving up Pierce), you'll have Rondo, Pierce, Smith under contract next year.  That leaves you about 12 mil to offer Dwight.   Not happening.  In the unlikely event he reaches free agency he'll command 18-19 mil in first year salary via sign-and-trade.

Not to mention... you'd have to say GOODBYE to Ray and KG in order to have that 12 mil to offer Dwight.

That's an aspect of this that people don’t seem to understand is this…  Technically we will have 25 mil in cap space if we stand pat with our current roster.  You can only obtain that 25 mil in cap space if you RENOUNCE THE BIRD RIGHTS to KG, Ray, Jeff Green and Bass. So even if you could “theoretically” spend that 25 mil on a couple guys of the level of Blatche and McGee… you’re basically saying goodbye to KG, Ray, Jeff Green and Bass since the most you could offer them would be the vet minimum.

The benefit of trading for guys like Blatche and McGee now is that you not only will have them on board next year, but you can retain the bird rights to KG, Ray etc and bring the entire gang back next year.

amnesty PP, I have no doubt that they would do this if they had a chance to sign Dwight

core of Rondo,Smith and Dwight and probably about 10 mil left to fill out the wing positions. 5 mil to beasley 5 mil + to get another wing(jeff green?)

If your master plan is to amnesty PP (they'd still have to pay him) and get nothing in return... why not just trade Pierce now since he actually has value.  We can easily get a late 1st rounder for him.

PP to the Lakers for their TWO ist rounders this year and Goudelock, Blake and McRoberts.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6060569