Who has been the worst Celtic of the Big 3 Era?

[OmarSekou]

There are a couple of rookies we drafted that are out of the league.

In terms of what we expected and what we got I think it's JO/Shaq. We expected them to be serviceable starters. They've been too injury prone to provide much and handicapped our team because we've depended on them to give us enough compete.

[xmuscularghandix]

If you take every Celtic who's played at least 30 minutes in a celtic uniform since 2007-08, then sort them by WS/48 (win shares per 48 minute)... the answer is literally Keyon Dooling. Every 48 minutes he plays results in -.002 wins.

Leon Powe (per 48) was the most effective. with almost a quarter of a win per 48.

Here's the list: http://bkref.com/tiny/XEXOg

[xmuscularghandix]

In terms of what we expected and what we got I think it's JO/Shaq.

If you beleive in Win Shares (which i do) you couldn't be more wrong. I think you just might have to be more realistic with your expectations towards 30+ year old centers with bad knees at the end of their careers.

Based on WS per 48 mintues, when Shaq was out on the court (752 total minutes) he was the 4th most effective Celtic in the Big 3 Era.

If you just look at total Win Shares he actually has more than Nate Robinson and Brian Scalabrine... both of which played about double the amount of minutes Shaq did.

[ManUp]

Rasheed Wallace.

Not even close especially in hindsight. I can see JO on the list but not sheed.

I would certainly take a 7 footer right now who plays good defense 80 games out of an 82 game season. Not to mention the playoffs. He jacked up 3's and wasn't great on offense but he was a hell of a lot better than JO

Sheed's "good" defense is revisionists history. He had a handful of good games defensively in the play-offs and now all of a sudden he played great defense. The team scheme as a whole did a good job hiding him, but he was the weak link. In post up situation he wasn't too bad, but he loved to reach in. He'd play perfect defense on the post then end up giving up a foul because he just had to reach in. He gave away an amazing amount of and1's by trying to slap at the ball instead simply contesting the shot.

Sheed was not Mikki Moore bad, but he was not a good defender. O'neal is 10x the defender Sheed was when he was with us. Through the combination of his bad attitude, lack of effort, poor conditioning, terrible offense, and inconsistent defense I think he is in the conversation for the worst Celtic of the big 3 era.

[OmarSekou]

In terms of what we expected and what we got I think it's JO/Shaq.

If you beleive in Win Shares (which i do) you couldn't be more wrong. I think you just might have to be more realistic with your expectations towards 30+ year old centers with bad knees at the end of their careers.

Based on WS per 48 mintues, when Shaq was out on the court (752 total minutes) he was the 4th most effective Celtic in the Big 3 Era.

If you just look at total Win Shares he actually has more than Nate Robinson and Brian Scalabrine... both of which played about double the amount of minutes Shaq did.

Shaq was a starter. I expect him to be better than bench players. My expectation was that he would play up to his salary and be healthy when it mattered. He didn't and he wasn't. He was effective in limited minutes before he broke down. Same with JO. I want more from a starting center.

[PosImpos]

Mikki Moore and it's not even close.

[KGs Knee]

Mikki Moore or Patty O'Bryant

They were the worst by far.  I'm not sure there is way to say either was worse than the other.  You can't be worse than useless, and both were useless.

[thebat]

Moore or Dooling? I say no one. Simply because we all know hwat they are capable of so we can't just expect them to do more.

I go with Jeff Green as the worst.

Now prove me wrong the next time, Jeff!

[greenlion]

both are in the vicinity of  suckervile and dumbville..

[Eja117]

unfortunately there are lots of choices. My vote would be Rasheed Wallace

[bfrombleacher]

Shelden Williams anyone? I will never forget The Inbound.

At least Sheed stepped up in big moments.

[Bahku]

Actually, neither ... that title would go to Marcus Landry, (though playing only three minutes is an unfair litmus, I'm sure many would say), followed by J.R. Giddens, then Scott Pollard or Mikki Moore, then ... well, a sentimental favorite who is just too darned popular to name, (without the chance of death threats to follow).

[JSD]

Although he did almost landed us Will Solomon, I would have to go with Patrick O'Bryant. Ainge really dropped the ball filling out the bench heading into that 2009 season.

[2short]

giddens never had a clue, he has to win it
pollard when not injured was a fine backup
shaq and jeff green don't belong in this discussion at all

[SHAQATTACK]

Dooling is a liability "ON THE COURT" , maybe off he is great cheerleader, nice guy , and works hard. But, thats an expensive way to hire a practice player for work outs. 

He can't play PG at all, poor decision making, pumps up shot after shot that *bong* off the back of the rim.  He kills the runs that the starters get going. He is the run -killer. 

No matter who he is inserted with with , the turnovers increase, the bricks start flying and plays aren't run correctly.

He has a great attitude , but thats not worth his contract price.

Some guys can impress in practice, but can't transfer that to the court on game day.

Celtics would truley be better off if he stayed at home . 

We are paying him him for "A PRODUCT" and he can't do squat.