Rondo's Shooting (please help me!)

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

Hey Guys,

So I'm pretty sick of hearing from my friends whenever Rondo does anything great. I'm been boasting about Rondo, his abilities, and his potential since his arrival in Boston so many years ago, and basically after Rondo does anything amazing the instant point made is "yeah but he can't shoot". Of course, those that actually watch the games (like me) have seen a steady improvement in Rondo's shooting (mechanics of his shot, confidence increase, and results) both from the field and from the stripe each year. I'm looking to find out where I can find information which illustrates Rondo's improved shot from the field and from the stripe specifically.

Here are 2 examples of what my buddies are saying:

Example 1:
"There are lots of things Rondo can do that are amazing but he is missing something that is somewhat important to the game of basketball - shooting. This matters. Good teams sag off him like crazy and force him to score but he is reluctant. He also can get timid in crunch time for fear of being put on the line. In terms of ball handling and hands in general, he is fantastic but his inability to shoot will plague him for years to come."

Example 2:
"While Rondo does have a unique skill set there is one thing that he can't do that every other big time point guard can do and that is shoot the basketball. Literally he can't do it and it makes him a major liability at the end of games. He is afraid to get fouled in crunch time (because his FT shooting is so poor) and he can't make teams pay for leaving him open."

I'm sick of hearing the above and need evidence of his improved shooting from the field (not at the rim) + stripe each year. Straight stats wont' cut it because when I demonstrate his FG% prowess the rebuttal is always "yeah but he only takes layups" and doesn't address the issue directly.

Thanks in advance for any help anyone can provide! TP's for excellent evidence, stats, graphs, charts, whatever!

[nickagneta]

Here's a new tool from basketball-reference.com:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi

You can set parameters for shooting and list players by where they take their shots and so forth.

Rondo's FG% from a distance of 10-22 ft is 40.6%. As a comparison Dwyane Wade's from the same distance is 40.7%

Rondo's FG% from a distance of 15-22 ft is 42.1%. As a comparison Deron Williams is shooting the exact same percentage from that distance and Derrick Rose is shooting 42.0 % from that distance.

So apparently this year he has improved his mid range shot and is comparable in his mid range game to some of the best players in the league who are known as scorers.

Hope that helps.

Gotta say though, Rondo's free throw shooting is still pretty atrocious.

[theswitch]

Here's a new tool from basketball-reference.com:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi

You can set parameters for shooting and list players by where they take their shots and so forth.

Rondo's FG% from a distance of 10-22 ft is 40.6%. As a comparison Dwyane Wade's from the same distance is 40.7%

Rondo's FG% from a distance of 15-22 ft is 42.1%. As a comparison Deron Williams is shooting the exact same percentage from that distance and Derrick Rose is shooting 42.0 % from that distance.

So apparently this year he has improved his mid range shot and is comparable in his mid range game to some of the best players in the league who are known as scorers.

Hope that helps.

Gotta say though, Rondo's free throw shooting is still pretty atrocious.

The numbers are there, but I wouldn't go as far as saying Rondo is comparable in his mid-range game to Wade, Williams and Rose. Those guys are shooting step-back fadeaways or turnarounds or something fancy, whereas the only shot Rondo ever takes is a wide open straight up-and-down jumper. If Wade was facing the same lax defensive pressure Rondo does, his percentage would be well north of 50 percent. But for argument with your friends' sake, that's a good reference.

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

Thanks guys! TP's for you both! Please keep the information coming in!

[PosImpos]

Here's a new tool from basketball-reference.com:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi

You can set parameters for shooting and list players by where they take their shots and so forth.

Rondo's FG% from a distance of 10-22 ft is 40.6%. As a comparison Dwyane Wade's from the same distance is 40.7%

Rondo's FG% from a distance of 15-22 ft is 42.1%. As a comparison Deron Williams is shooting the exact same percentage from that distance and Derrick Rose is shooting 42.0 % from that distance.

So apparently this year he has improved his mid range shot and is comparable in his mid range game to some of the best players in the league who are known as scorers.

Hope that helps.

Gotta say though, Rondo's free throw shooting is still pretty atrocious.

The numbers are there, but I wouldn't go as far as saying Rondo is comparable in his mid-range game to Wade, Williams and Rose. Those guys are shooting step-back fadeaways or turnarounds or something fancy, whereas the only shot Rondo ever takes is a wide open straight up-and-down jumper. If Wade was facing the same lax defensive pressure Rondo does, his percentage would be well north of 50 percent. But for argument with your friends' sake, that's a good reference.

Precisely.  Shooting % does not come close to telling the whole story.

Rondo is a bad shooter; he's left wide open for almost every single jumpshot attempt, and he still shoots around 40%.  That would be acceptable if he were shooting 3s, but since he's shooting 2s, it's not.

[Celtics4ever]

He is good in several areas but shooting is a weakness for him.  Even Obama quipped on it.

[guava_wrench]

Here's a new tool from basketball-reference.com:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi

You can set parameters for shooting and list players by where they take their shots and so forth.

Rondo's FG% from a distance of 10-22 ft is 40.6%. As a comparison Dwyane Wade's from the same distance is 40.7%

Rondo's FG% from a distance of 15-22 ft is 42.1%. As a comparison Deron Williams is shooting the exact same percentage from that distance and Derrick Rose is shooting 42.0 % from that distance.

So apparently this year he has improved his mid range shot and is comparable in his mid range game to some of the best players in the league who are known as scorers.

Hope that helps.

Gotta say though, Rondo's free throw shooting is still pretty atrocious.

Rondo's shots are wide open. Those other guys have the same percentages because they take contested shots from those range. Play off those guys and they will shoot really high.

This has implications for the entire offense as Rondo's defender clogs the lane or helps off of him.

[igorsure]

The numbers are there, but I wouldn't go as far as saying Rondo is comparable in his mid-range game to Wade, Williams and Rose. Those guys are shooting step-back fadeaways or turnarounds or something fancy, whereas the only shot Rondo ever takes is a wide open straight up-and-down jumper. If Wade was facing the same lax defensive pressure Rondo does, his percentage would be well north of 50 percent. But for argument with your friends' sake, that's a good reference.

This is mostly true. Rondo can do small step back and make a shot, but his cookbook in creating his own jump shot is much smaller then DWade's or Koby's.

But. This is 2nd level or 3d level argument.

If Rondo has open look he makes jump shot, and his statistics are very competitive in this case.
If not - he are looking for the best team option (including his own penetration). Nobody argues He is one of the best for this. It is the same type of 2nd level argument. And who said that this is worse than tried to create his own tough jump shot?

[droopdog7]

Here is the bottom line youcanthandlethetruth113:

You're friend is right.  Rondo can't shoot. And yes, that is often a liability.

[Capricious]

Use hoopdata.com - fg% by shot location.

Truth of the matter is - Rondo is a league average (pg) shooter on mid/long twos.  Hes shooting the same percentage as Rose on those long twos. Hardly horrendous...

[BballTim]

Here's a new tool from basketball-reference.com:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi

You can set parameters for shooting and list players by where they take their shots and so forth.

Rondo's FG% from a distance of 10-22 ft is 40.6%. As a comparison Dwyane Wade's from the same distance is 40.7%

Rondo's FG% from a distance of 15-22 ft is 42.1%. As a comparison Deron Williams is shooting the exact same percentage from that distance and Derrick Rose is shooting 42.0 % from that distance.

So apparently this year he has improved his mid range shot and is comparable in his mid range game to some of the best players in the league who are known as scorers.

Hope that helps.

Gotta say though, Rondo's free throw shooting is still pretty atrocious.

The numbers are there, but I wouldn't go as far as saying Rondo is comparable in his mid-range game to Wade, Williams and Rose. Those guys are shooting step-back fadeaways or turnarounds or something fancy, whereas the only shot Rondo ever takes is a wide open straight up-and-down jumper. If Wade was facing the same lax defensive pressure Rondo does, his percentage would be well north of 50 percent. But for argument with your friends' sake, that's a good reference.

Precisely.  Shooting % does not come close to telling the whole story.

Rondo is a bad shooter; he's left wide open for almost every single jumpshot attempt, and he still shoots around 40%.  That would be acceptable if he were shooting 3s, but since he's shooting 2s, it's not.

  I'd go below average, he's probably average or a little above on long(ish) twos, he might drop down to bottom third or so (meaning 1/3 of the point guards would still be worse) if you factor in open shot vs guarded shots.

[bostonpatriot]

Rondo shoots 40% from 10-23 feet - in 102 shots so far this season.

Wade shoots 42% from the same range - in 197 shots so far this season.

[greenpride32]

Rondo shoots 40% from 10-23 feet - in 102 shots so far this season.

Wade shoots 42% from the same range - in 197 shots so far this season.

I would guess 95% of Wade's attempts were guarded/challenged.  The other 5% he was open because of a defensive lapse.

Convesley, 95% of Rondo's trys were unguarded.  The other 5% were mental lapses from the other team/coach forgetting it was Rondo.  We're supposed to give him 10 feet and beg him to shoot and not discourage it.

[nickagneta]

Rondo shoots 40% from 10-23 feet - in 102 shots so far this season.

Wade shoots 42% from the same range - in 197 shots so far this season.

I would guess 95% of Wade's attempts were guarded/challenged.  The other 5% he was open because of a defensive lapse.

Convesley, 95% of Rondo's trys were unguarded.  The other 5% were mental lapses from the other team/coach forgetting it was Rondo.  We're supposed to give him 10 feet and beg him to shoot and not discourage it.

I think these percentages completely speculative.

One could argue that with Lebron creating space by driving and kicking it out that Wade gets a ton of open look shots and so isn't being contested nearly as much. I know I have seen this dozens and dozens of times in the 20 or so Heat games I have watched over the last year or two.

[BballTim]

Rondo shoots 40% from 10-23 feet - in 102 shots so far this season.

Wade shoots 42% from the same range - in 197 shots so far this season.

I would guess 95% of Wade's attempts were guarded/challenged.  The other 5% he was open because of a defensive lapse.

Convesley, 95% of Rondo's trys were unguarded.  The other 5% were mental lapses from the other team/coach forgetting it was Rondo.  We're supposed to give him 10 feet and beg him to shoot and not discourage it.

I think these percentages completely speculative.

  I think that a lot of posters think Rondo's the only player in the league that takes more than a handful of open jumpers a season.