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Great Rondo Article
« on: March 06, 2012, 09:44:18 AM »

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http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2012/03/dennis_johnson_rajon_rondo_cel.html

I'm sure I am late to notice this article but it is a really good perspective on Rondo.

After reading this my "we must trade him" stance is definitely lightening.
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http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2012/03/dennis_johnson_rajon_rondo_cel.html

I'm sure I am late to notice this article but it is a really good perspective on Rondo.

After reading this my "we must trade him" stance is definitely lightening.
Awesome. I do see a problem of the team's centerpiece after Pierce is gone. If not Rondo, then who? Is Green up to the task of becoming this team's next carry? Or JJJ? Or the centerpiece will be Rondo...

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http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2012/03/dennis_johnson_rajon_rondo_cel.html

I'm sure I am late to notice this article but it is a really good perspective on Rondo.

After reading this my "we must trade him" stance is definitely lightening.
Awesome. I do see a problem of the team's centerpiece after Pierce is gone. If not Rondo, then who? Is Green up to the task of becoming this team's next carry? Or JJJ? Or the centerpiece will be Rondo...

  I don't know why so many people (not just you) are of the opinion that Danny's not planning on replacing the big three with any good players.

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Often times, great talent comes with a lot of headaches. I'd say it's more often the case than not.

And you don't have to love all the guys you're playing ball with, but you do have to respect them.

Bird and McHale were not the best of friends, but they went to work together on the court.

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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2012, 02:04:46 PM »

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http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2012/03/dennis_johnson_rajon_rondo_cel.html

I'm sure I am late to notice this article but it is a really good perspective on Rondo.

After reading this my "we must trade him" stance is definitely lightening.
Awesome. I do see a problem of the team's centerpiece after Pierce is gone. If not Rondo, then who? Is Green up to the task of becoming this team's next carry? Or JJJ? Or the centerpiece will be Rondo...

  I don't know why so many people (not just you) are of the opinion that Danny's not planning on replacing the big three with any good players.


It's just that I (and not just me) got used to 2 things: Every Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.n good player refusing to play for the Celtics and having at least one, often at least two, leaders on the team. Check out Philadelphia, GSW, Sacramento... I mean they got amazing players who rely on 21 year old guys to carry their respective teams alone. Rondo will never be the captain because he'll never be a KG or Pierce type of player who knows what to say and when to say it.

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http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2012/03/dennis_johnson_rajon_rondo_cel.html

I'm sure I am late to notice this article but it is a really good perspective on Rondo.

After reading this my "we must trade him" stance is definitely lightening.
Awesome. I do see a problem of the team's centerpiece after Pierce is gone. If not Rondo, then who? Is Green up to the task of becoming this team's next carry? Or JJJ? Or the centerpiece will be Rondo...

  I don't know why so many people (not just you) are of the opinion that Danny's not planning on replacing the big three with any good players.


It's just that I (and not just me) got used to 2 things: Every ****n good player refusing to play for the Celtics and having at least one, often at least two, leaders on the team. Check out Philadelphia, GSW, Sacramento... I mean they got amazing players who rely on 21 year old guys to carry their respective teams alone. Rondo will never be the captain because he'll never be a KG or Pierce type of player who knows what to say and when to say it.
Did you read the article?

DJ was the same way as a youth and helped to become a leader on those Celtic teams. Larry was a partying, beer drinking, bar fighting fool off the court when he was young and then became a leader on the court after Maxwell left and Robey (his drinking partner)left.

You don't want to trade Rondo and have him turn into the type of intelligent player that leads a team once he matures and hits his prime years, 28-32 years old. Remember, Rondo is still very young and with youth comes growing pains.

I am confident Rondo will lead the next generation of Celtic teams. Ainge just has to replace the great talent around him now with younger great talent over the next few years.

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http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2012/03/dennis_johnson_rajon_rondo_cel.html

I'm sure I am late to notice this article but it is a really good perspective on Rondo.

After reading this my "we must trade him" stance is definitely lightening.
Awesome. I do see a problem of the team's centerpiece after Pierce is gone. If not Rondo, then who? Is Green up to the task of becoming this team's next carry? Or JJJ? Or the centerpiece will be Rondo...

  I don't know why so many people (not just you) are of the opinion that Danny's not planning on replacing the big three with any good players.


It's just that I (and not just me) got used to 2 things: Every ****n good player refusing to play for the Celtics and having at least one, often at least two, leaders on the team. Check out Philadelphia, GSW, Sacramento... I mean they got amazing players who rely on 21 year old guys to carry their respective teams alone. Rondo will never be the captain because he'll never be a KG or Pierce type of player who knows what to say and when to say it.

  Pierce wasn't considered a vocal leader of the Celts at Rondo's age.

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2012, 03:59:33 PM »

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http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2012/03/dennis_johnson_rajon_rondo_cel.html

I'm sure I am late to notice this article but it is a really good perspective on Rondo.

After reading this my "we must trade him" stance is definitely lightening.
Awesome. I do see a problem of the team's centerpiece after Pierce is gone. If not Rondo, then who? Is Green up to the task of becoming this team's next carry? Or JJJ? Or the centerpiece will be Rondo...

  I don't know why so many people (not just you) are of the opinion that Danny's not planning on replacing the big three with any good players.


It's just that I (and not just me) got used to 2 things: Every ****n good player refusing to play for the Celtics and having at least one, often at least two, leaders on the team. Check out Philadelphia, GSW, Sacramento... I mean they got amazing players who rely on 21 year old guys to carry their respective teams alone. Rondo will never be the captain because he'll never be a KG or Pierce type of player who knows what to say and when to say it.
Did you read the article?

DJ was the same way as a youth and helped to become a leader on those Celtic teams. Larry was a partying, beer drinking, bar fighting fool off the court when he was young and then became a leader on the court after Maxwell left and Robey (his drinking partner)left.

You don't want to trade Rondo and have him turn into the type of intelligent player that leads a team once he matures and hits his prime years, 28-32 years old. Remember, Rondo is still very young and with youth comes growing pains.

I am confident Rondo will lead the next generation of Celtic teams. Ainge just has to replace the great talent around him now with younger great talent over the next few years.

+1  

  I agree.

 At 25 years of age Doc has said he has the highest BBIQ he has ever seen.  Exaggeration....probably.  Point still taken.  He has a very high BBIQ.  His BBIQ will allow him to be successful even after his athleticism fades due to age(much like Dennis Johnson)

 He has proven he can be a vital part of an NBA title team.  That's not the center piece and doesn't need to be.

  He's a bargain.  

  He can dominate basketball games and playoff series' without being your primary scorer.  This is a very rare and desirable trait.

  He realizes defense wins games which is often a hard sell to a player of his talent at his young age.

  He has shown the ability to come up HUGE in the biggest games on the biggest stages.  This cannot be understated.  He doesn't show up every night with the same intensity(who does other then KG?).  This would be solved at least partially if the game plan was focused on his strength in the open court where he is a very spacial player.  He seems to show up in May and June so I don't care if he takes a night off in January to be completely honest.

  He has mostly thrived in-spite of playing a style of basketball that isn't one in which his skill set can be best optimized.  Replace the Big Three with young athletes who can run the court and Rondo will be "good Rondo" a whole lot more often then he is now playing mostly half court basketball.

  His game fits very well with other All-Star level players.  That's not always the case with young All-Stars but it is with Rondo.

  He's tough.

  He's a winner.

  

  Is he perfect?  Absolutely not.  There are very few players in NBA history who would be considered perfect and most guys with his kind of talent get better as the reach their late 20's-early 30's.  


  Personally I don't think Rondo is going anywhere.  People around here might be willing to trade Rondo for the likes of Collison, Curry or Kevin Martin but Danny  Ainge is smarter then that. Ainge wont and shouldn't trade him unless you get equal or greater value in return and that means a young All-Star.
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side note about the jackie mcmullen point the other day, something to the idea that rondo was in brandon bass' ear about something until bass told him to shut the cuss up
last night, rondo passed the ball to bass who seemed surprised to get it, he passed it back to rondo
rondo immediately passed it back to bass then seemed to point out to pass it to pierce who had a miss match on the low post with the rockets backup guard (polish or slav name)
now something like that might be passed over but that is the young pg, making sure the vet does the correct thing, maybe bass should have someone in his ear, he was one of the guys who wasn't up on the playbook as well  ::)  hmmm face

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2012, 02:00:55 PM »

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I believe Doc fully, and that's why I never want to see Rondo go. If after all the rumors, Doc comes out and says "I've never had better communication with any player in a long time than with Rondo" he likes him A LOT, no matter if that's a lie or not.

I just don't see Rondo as a team leader. He's an enigma, doesn't open up to others and keeping distance from others isn't leader's characteristic. Maybe in some later years, but still, I can't see him as a KG in post big three era. He'll be the loudmouth, he'll be the smartest player in the league, he'll be intimidating his opponents, but I don't think he can help his team vocally that much. Then again, he's not Pierce to be clutch and serious and HUGE whenever you need him, and then just chill outside of the arena and help to whatever rookie has questions.

On the other hand, if Rondo does mature (for how many years have you been repeating this phrase?) in the way we want him to, he may be a better leader than Pierce and KG together.

Hey at least he's staying in Boston for some long time. :D