Massive Trade Idea (to get draft picks

[jaketwice]

This is a super strong draft class. The Celtics are clearly rebuilding, so they should be making decisions based on what would give them the best opportunity to get draft picks.

I'd propose the following:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6pczd3l

To Boston:

Ronnie Brewer
Rashard Lewis and Jan Vesley
AND - Washington Wizard's First Round Draft Choice.

To Chicago:

Ray Allen
AND Boston's SECOND ROUND draft choice

To Washington:

Kevin Garnett (expiring)
Taj Gibson
CJ Watson
AND Chicago's FIRST ROUND draft choice.

Why?

(1) Celtics: it gives us two picks, one probably very high, in a stacked draft. We lose Garnett's expiring (to say nothing of Garnett and Ray) but there aren't too many free agents this year, and free agents hate Boston for whatever reason. It makes us much more athletic, and basically gives the keys to Rondo - who has earned them. We become a running team, get younger, and start rebuilding around Rondo, and either Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Jared Sullinger, or Harrison Barnes. This is a STACKED draft.

(2) Chicago: They're now a contender that can beat Miami.

Wade or Lebron has to chase Ray through screens on D the whole game. He's an above average defender for his position, and can take some of the scoring pressure off of Rose in the big moments. He opens up the floor for Boozer and Noah. ...am I really trying to sell Ray Allen? He's the best player in the trade. You know HALL OF FAMER RAY ALLEN?


(3) Washington: they dump Rashard Lewis a year early, in exchange for some veteran leadership they sorely, sorely need. Javale McGee? Andre Blatche? John Wall? This is a team of immature nobodies who needs a Garnett like pressence to step in and help them. They also get a nice young player in Taj Gibson, who can play that small forward/rebounding forward role. CJ Watson gives John Wall a legitimate back-up point-guard. It makes them tougher, and better defenders.

[bostonpatriot]

Washington won't trade a top 3 pick and their lottery picked rookie for a couple of role-players and a 2 months rental of Kevin Garnett as a lockerroom statesman.

Chicago wouldn't give up all those players for Ray Allen either,.

[jaketwice]

Washington won't trade a top 3 pick and their lottery picked rookie for a couple of role-players and a 2 months rental of Kevin Garnett as a lockerroom statesman.

Chicago wouldn't give up all those players for Ray Allen either,.

Does Washington really need young talent? No. They need veteran leadership. Next summer they can pick up Eric Gordon and Dwight Howard ...AND probably Carl Landry. That's an instant contender. Just add water - with John Wall at the point. What is Washington going to do with another draft pick in that toxic culture?

[jaketwice]

Washington won't trade a top 3 pick and their lottery picked rookie for a couple of role-players and a 2 months rental of Kevin Garnett as a lockerroom statesman.

Chicago wouldn't give up all those players for Ray Allen either,.

Point taken as to Vesely, however. Here is the revised player allocation: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7hqjzxb


To Boston:

Ronnie Brewer and
Rashard Lewis
AND - Washington Wizard's First Round Draft Choice.

To Chicago:

Ray Allen
Trevor Booker (has some potential)
AND Boston's SECOND ROUND draft choice

To Washington:

Kevin Garnett (expiring)
Omer Asik
CJ Watson
AND Chicago's FIRST ROUND draft choice.
Washington gets Clipper's pick, but Boston can swap back if it is higher than Washington's pick.

[jaketwice]

Washington won't trade a top 3 pick and their lottery picked rookie for a couple of role-players and a 2 months rental of Kevin Garnett as a lockerroom statesman.

Chicago wouldn't give up all those players for Ray Allen either,.

Point taken as to Vesely, however. Here is the revised player allocation: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7hqjzxb


To Boston:

Ronnie Brewer and
Rashard Lewis
AND - Washington Wizard's First Round Draft Choice.

To Chicago:

Ray Allen
Trevor Booker (has some potential)
AND Boston's SECOND ROUND draft choice

To Washington:

Kevin Garnett (expiring)
Omer Asik
CJ Watson
AND Chicago's FIRST ROUND draft choice.
Washington gets Clipper's pick, but Boston can swap back if it is higher than Washington's pick.

This sweetens the deal significantly for Washington, which gets Asik (as well as the Clipper pick); and for Chicago, which also gets Trevor Booker.

[jaketwice]

That deal may be a little too sweet for Washington, and a little tough on Chicago, but what do they lose? Asik, Brewer and Watson? Hardly the cream of the league. They keep Gibson, and have the best starting five in the NBA.

[Lioney]

I think;

You are a Wizards fan

Lewis? Really?

[slamtheking]

I think;

You are a Wizards fan

Lewis? Really?

or at least not a C's fan.

Lewis?  his crap contract--really?  for KG and Ray?  and what will end up being a pretty high second rounder?  to get a mediocre at best Brewer?  and you think Washington, which is definitely rebuilding, would give us an unprotected 1st rounder in loaded draft?

one of the worst deals I've seen in terms of what the C's have to give up to get a pick that the other team would never cough up.  Washington need to continue rebuilding and would much rather have a projected building block coming in this draft than a rental of KG.  They'd love for this pick to turn into the type of player that would allow them to jettison Blatche and possibly Mcgee for other young and better players (that cause less headaches).

Wall and whoever they get in this draft is Washington's projected building blocks.  If Blatche (and quite possibly Mcgee) don't get with the program, their trade bait for other picks/assets.

[jaketwice]

I think;

You are a Wizards fan

Lewis? Really?

Look, there are three to five potential game changers in this draft, in my opinion:

Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Perry Jones, Arnett Moultrie and Harrison Barnes ...we would be going after one of those with the Wizards' pick.

There are a few decent later round centers: Fab Melo, Meyers Leonard and Mason Plumlee (a distant third).

The C's could instantly get both bigger, and more athletic by blowing it up now. We want to minimize the painful period between irrelevance and contention, right? This is a chance to do that. ...but we would need to move up to get one of those marquee players.

Consider, we'd have:

Pierce
Rondo
Two Rookies
Pietrus/M. Daniels

Bench:
Bass, Jeff Green.

...if Green is healthy, we can slide Pierce over to shooting guard, and run a fast, gorgeous offense.

[jaketwice]

I think;

You are a Wizards fan

Lewis? Really?

or at least not a C's fan.

Lewis?  his crap contract--really?  for KG and Ray?  and what will end up being a pretty high second rounder?  to get a mediocre at best Brewer?  and you think Washington, which is definitely rebuilding, would give us an unprotected 1st rounder in loaded draft?

one of the worst deals I've seen in terms of what the C's have to give up to get a pick that the other team would never cough up.  Washington need to continue rebuilding and would much rather have a projected building block coming in this draft than a rental of KG.  They'd love for this pick to turn into the type of player that would allow them to jettison Blatche and possibly Mcgee for other young and better players (that cause less headaches).

Wall and whoever they get in this draft is Washington's projected building blocks.  If Blatche (and quite possibly Mcgee) don't get with the program, their trade bait for other picks/assets.

As sweetened, the proposed trade also nets them back the Clippers' unprotected first rounder from the Green deal - to they get:

(1) Clipper's first
(2) Chicago's first

Plus, as reconstituted, they get Omer Asik - a big center who could lead McGee into irrelevance. ...Just so you understand, the Wizards suck at literally EVERY position. The only player on that team with even the POTENTIAL to be good is John Wall - and he doesn't play defense. They need a culture overhaul, which should probably include getting rid of tweedle-dee and tweedle-outright stupid, Blatche and Javale McGee. ...Harrison Barnes, or even Anthony Davis isn't going to help them if they don't start playing the right way.

[jaketwice]

2013 (when Lewis would come off the books) has a much better crop of free agents:

Blake Griffin
Demarcus Cousins
Josh Smith
David West
Greg Monroe
Al Jefferson
Tyreke Evans
Monta Ellis
Andre Igouadala

...outside of D. Williams and Howard, this year is relatively weak. Moreover, we would still be dropping from about $86M in salary down to about $53M. Green has a lowered value thanks to the heart injury. For another $18-20M we could have the two rookies, Green, Pietrus, Bass, Pierce, Rondo, JaJuan Johnson, Bradley, Moore and Wilcox that's highest $73M. A huge drop in salary. And we can buy out Lewis anyway (he is shooting .375 )

[nickagneta]

Simply put, this isn't happening.

More specifically:

Boston is going to give up $30 million of cap space to get Rashard Lewis, Ronnie Brewer and a pick Washington isn't giving up anyway while trying to maximize their profits this year by getting to the playoffs and getting as many home games as possible? That's not happening.

Washington is more likely to amnesty Lewis and dump Blatche and/or McGee for for a high pick this draft than to take Garnett aboard for a month, give up a future superstar that could be there in the top 2-3 picks, and open up cap space to go after Howard when he has no desire to play in Washington.

Chicago is going to give up their ONLY backup center, and a decent defensive oriented one at that, along with a very good backup PG to get Ray for a playoff drive. I doubt it. They might send a first rounder in the future and Korver and Hamilton for Ray but that's about it.

This is just a terrible and unlikely trade idea.

[jaketwice]

Simply put, this isn't happening.

More specifically:

Boston is going to give up $30 million of cap space to get Rashard Lewis, Ronnie Brewer and a pick Washington isn't giving up anyway while trying to maximize their profits this year by getting to the playoffs and getting as many home games as possible? That's not happening.

Free agency sucks this year after Williams and Howard - and there's no chance we get either. Cap space is irrelevant if we aren't going to sign anyone high quality. Moreover, isn't your point a contradiction in terms? If the pick is so valuable, then wouldn't it be worth taking back Lewis' garbage contract?

Washington is more likely to amnesty Lewis and dump Blatche and/or McGee for for a high pick this draft than to take Garnett aboard for a month, give up a future superstar that could be there in the top 2-3 picks, and open up cap space to go after Howard when he has no desire to play in Washington.

No one is taking either of those players. The whole [dang] team is AWFUL. Really wretched and terrible. They would be better off with a defensive center, and more draft choices to play with Wall. The Wizards CAN'T draft a superstar, because being drafted by the Wizards means becoming a one-on-one player who doesn't play defense. The Wizards need more better players, not one great player. ...what is John Wall doing for them? They are the second worst team in the league. It is not a lack of talent: it is a lack of leadership that is their problem.

Chicago is going to give up their ONLY backup center, and a decent defensive oriented one at that, along with a very good backup PG to get Ray for a playoff drive. I doubt it. They might send a first rounder in the future and Korver and Hamilton for Ray but that's about it.

This is just a terrible and unlikely trade idea.

Size is not the issue in the playoffs this year. Look at Miami. Even Dallas - they don't have Chandler. And while the Lakers are big with Bynum and Gasol, there is ...shrinkage, after that point. Minutes for stars go up in the playoiffs. Ray Allen can shoot the ball, and has been to the playoffs before. ...of all of your comments, this one surprises me the most. Ray Allen is a hall of famer. He is shooting almost 50% from behind the arc. This is Chicago's chance to win a title. ...besides, I'm sure Ronny Turiaf would waive his no trade clause to escape Washington if Chicago could sweeten the deal with a decent player.

[nickagneta]

Simply put, this isn't happening.

More specifically:

Boston is going to give up $30 million of cap space to get Rashard Lewis, Ronnie Brewer and a pick Washington isn't giving up anyway while trying to maximize their profits this year by getting to the playoffs and getting as many home games as possible? That's not happening.

Free agency sucks this year after Williams and Howard - and there's no chance we get either. Cap space is irrelevant if we aren't going to sign anyone high quality. Moreover, isn't your point a contradiction in terms? If the pick is so valuable, then wouldn't it be worth taking back Lewis' garbage contract?

Washington is more likely to amnesty Lewis and dump Blatche and/or McGee for for a high pick this draft than to take Garnett aboard for a month, give up a future superstar that could be there in the top 2-3 picks, and open up cap space to go after Howard when he has no desire to play in Washington.

No one is taking either of those players. The whole [dang] team is AWFUL. Really wretched and terrible. They would be better off with a defensive center, and more draft choices to play with Wall. The Wizards CAN'T draft a superstar, because being drafted by the Wizards means becoming a one-on-one player who doesn't play defense. The Wizards need more better players, not one great player. ...what is John Wall doing for them? They are the second worst team in the league. It is not a lack of talent: it is a lack of leadership that is their problem.

Chicago is going to give up their ONLY backup center, and a decent defensive oriented one at that, along with a very good backup PG to get Ray for a playoff drive. I doubt it. They might send a first rounder in the future and Korver and Hamilton for Ray but that's about it.

This is just a terrible and unlikely trade idea.

Size is not the issue in the playoffs this year. Look at Miami. Even Dallas - they don't have Chandler. And while the Lakers are big with Bynum and Gasol, there is ...shrinkage, after that point. Minutes for stars go up in the playoiffs. Ray Allen can shoot the ball, and has been to the playoffs before. ...of all of your comments, this one surprises me the most. Ray Allen is a hall of famer. He is shooting almost 50% from behind the arc. This is Chicago's chance to win a title. ...besides, I'm sure Ronny Turiaf would waive his no trade clause to escape Washington if Chicago could sweeten the deal with a decent player.

Let me just say I don't think you made any point that made any logical sense, that I disagree with you completely and that the likelihood of such a trade is below zero and leave it at that.

[jaketwice]

Simply put, this isn't happening.

More specifically:

Boston is going to give up $30 million of cap space to get Rashard Lewis, Ronnie Brewer and a pick Washington isn't giving up anyway while trying to maximize their profits this year by getting to the playoffs and getting as many home games as possible? That's not happening.

Free agency sucks this year after Williams and Howard - and there's no chance we get either. Cap space is irrelevant if we aren't going to sign anyone high quality. Moreover, isn't your point a contradiction in terms? If the pick is so valuable, then wouldn't it be worth taking back Lewis' garbage contract?

Washington is more likely to amnesty Lewis and dump Blatche and/or McGee for for a high pick this draft than to take Garnett aboard for a month, give up a future superstar that could be there in the top 2-3 picks, and open up cap space to go after Howard when he has no desire to play in Washington.

No one is taking either of those players. The whole [dang] team is AWFUL. Really wretched and terrible. They would be better off with a defensive center, and more draft choices to play with Wall. The Wizards CAN'T draft a superstar, because being drafted by the Wizards means becoming a one-on-one player who doesn't play defense. The Wizards need more better players, not one great player. ...what is John Wall doing for them? They are the second worst team in the league. It is not a lack of talent: it is a lack of leadership that is their problem.

Chicago is going to give up their ONLY backup center, and a decent defensive oriented one at that, along with a very good backup PG to get Ray for a playoff drive. I doubt it. They might send a first rounder in the future and Korver and Hamilton for Ray but that's about it.

This is just a terrible and unlikely trade idea.

Size is not the issue in the playoffs this year. Look at Miami. Even Dallas - they don't have Chandler. And while the Lakers are big with Bynum and Gasol, there is ...shrinkage, after that point. Minutes for stars go up in the playoiffs. Ray Allen can shoot the ball, and has been to the playoffs before. ...of all of your comments, this one surprises me the most. Ray Allen is a hall of famer. He is shooting almost 50% from behind the arc. This is Chicago's chance to win a title. ...besides, I'm sure Ronny Turiaf would waive his no trade clause to escape Washington if Chicago could sweeten the deal with a decent player.

Let me just say I don't think you made any point that made any logical sense, that I disagree with you completely and that the likelihood of such a trade is below zero and leave it at that.

Then why say anything at all?

Maybe what you mean is that I refuted most of the points you made, but that since you have no answer, you're backing off. Is that it?

Moreover, I conceded the point about the back-up center, and suggested Turiaf as a replacement. ...that is to say - if I have conceded one of your objections, and proposed a solution, you can't "completely disagree" can you?

While I admit that Washington would have to take a hard look at its culture to do this deal: how could it not? Any player drafted to Washington is going into a career black hole.