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Boris Diaw?
« on: March 05, 2012, 11:39:13 AM »

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Ugh. It comes down to names like this and Darko, but that comes with the trade rumor territory. Today this showed up on ESPN:

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The Charlotte Bobcats won't make a trade that helps them in the short-term, but hurts in the long-term. The team doesn't have a lot assets, however the hope is at least one team likes Boris Diaw enough to take him off Charlotte's roster.

Richard Walker of the Gaston Gazette writes: "It wouldn't be a surprise if Diaw, who will be a free agent this summer, is traded. His relationship continues to sour with Paul Silas, including Sunday night's effort in which Diaw took four shots. Silas has clashed with Diaw much of the year about shooting more -- Diaw's is one of the team's better shooter -- but Diaw has shot 10 or more times in 13 games this season."

Diaw is a likely candidate to have his contract bought out if he's not traded by March 15.

He's not a great defender, but he's a versatile big who can shoot and is a great passer for his size. He wouldn't be my first option but if he's bought out, I'd imagine he would be in decent demand and he's certainly worth looking into.
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Re: Boris Diaw?
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2012, 11:40:37 AM »

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Ugh. It comes down to names like this and Darko, but that comes with the trade rumor territory. Today this showed up on ESPN:

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The Charlotte Bobcats won't make a trade that helps them in the short-term, but hurts in the long-term. The team doesn't have a lot assets, however the hope is at least one team likes Boris Diaw enough to take him off Charlotte's roster.

Richard Walker of the Gaston Gazette writes: "It wouldn't be a surprise if Diaw, who will be a free agent this summer, is traded. His relationship continues to sour with Paul Silas, including Sunday night's effort in which Diaw took four shots. Silas has clashed with Diaw much of the year about shooting more -- Diaw's is one of the team's better shooter -- but Diaw has shot 10 or more times in 13 games this season."

Diaw is a likely candidate to have his contract bought out if he's not traded by March 15.

He's not a great defender, but he's a versatile big who can shoot and is a great passer for his size. He wouldn't be my first option but if he's bought out, I'd imagine he would be in decent demand and he's certainly worth looking into.

I don't think we'd have a shot if he's bought out. He'll go somewhere warm that'll let him play his game.

I'd be pretty cool with it if we could trade for him, but at what cost?

JO+a 2nd? Maybe.

EDIT: You could do JO+Sasha, but you'd still fall 50k short of Diaw's 9 million cap number.

Ain't happening.

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Re: Boris Diaw?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2012, 11:45:10 AM »

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Ugh. It comes down to names like this and Darko, but that comes with the trade rumor territory. Today this showed up on ESPN:

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The Charlotte Bobcats won't make a trade that helps them in the short-term, but hurts in the long-term. The team doesn't have a lot assets, however the hope is at least one team likes Boris Diaw enough to take him off Charlotte's roster.

Richard Walker of the Gaston Gazette writes: "It wouldn't be a surprise if Diaw, who will be a free agent this summer, is traded. His relationship continues to sour with Paul Silas, including Sunday night's effort in which Diaw took four shots. Silas has clashed with Diaw much of the year about shooting more -- Diaw's is one of the team's better shooter -- but Diaw has shot 10 or more times in 13 games this season."

Diaw is a likely candidate to have his contract bought out if he's not traded by March 15.

He's not a great defender, but he's a versatile big who can shoot and is a great passer for his size. He wouldn't be my first option but if he's bought out, I'd imagine he would be in decent demand and he's certainly worth looking into.

I don't think we'd have a shot if he's bought out. He'll go somewhere warm that'll let him play his game.

I'd be pretty cool with it if we could trade for him, but at what cost?

JO+a 2nd? Maybe.

EDIT: You could do JO+Sasha, but you'd still fall 50k short of Diaw's 9 million cap number.

Ain't happening.

Doc seems to love Dooling for some reason but I'd personally do JO + Dooling for Diaw, that trade works. It'd give us a 9-man rotation of Rondo, Bradley, Ray, Pietrus, Pierce, Bass, Diaw, KG, Wilcox. I don't know if it's enough for Charlotte because we're trading expirings for expirings but it's worth following.
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Re: Boris Diaw?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2012, 11:47:33 AM »

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Ugh. It comes down to names like this and Darko, but that comes with the trade rumor territory. Today this showed up on ESPN:

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The Charlotte Bobcats won't make a trade that helps them in the short-term, but hurts in the long-term. The team doesn't have a lot assets, however the hope is at least one team likes Boris Diaw enough to take him off Charlotte's roster.

Richard Walker of the Gaston Gazette writes: "It wouldn't be a surprise if Diaw, who will be a free agent this summer, is traded. His relationship continues to sour with Paul Silas, including Sunday night's effort in which Diaw took four shots. Silas has clashed with Diaw much of the year about shooting more -- Diaw's is one of the team's better shooter -- but Diaw has shot 10 or more times in 13 games this season."

Diaw is a likely candidate to have his contract bought out if he's not traded by March 15.

He's not a great defender, but he's a versatile big who can shoot and is a great passer for his size. He wouldn't be my first option but if he's bought out, I'd imagine he would be in decent demand and he's certainly worth looking into.

I don't think we'd have a shot if he's bought out. He'll go somewhere warm that'll let him play his game.

I'd be pretty cool with it if we could trade for him, but at what cost?

JO+a 2nd? Maybe.

EDIT: You could do JO+Sasha, but you'd still fall 50k short of Diaw's 9 million cap number.

Ain't happening.


I think we could have a shot if he's bought out, due to him and Pietrus knowing each other from the french national team. I wish Diaw was in shape.

I hope we get something for Jo soon.

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Re: Boris Diaw?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2012, 11:48:48 AM »

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I hope we get something for Jo soon.

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Rivers said center Jermaine O’Neal is still in the decision-making process regarding his left wrist. His choices are season-ending surgery, minor surgery that will mean he has to play with pain, or a cortisone shot. If O’Neal decides to have season-ending surgery, the Celtics could waive him and sign another

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Re: Boris Diaw?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2012, 11:52:34 AM »

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I hope we get something for Jo soon.

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Rivers said center Jermaine O’Neal is still in the decision-making process regarding his left wrist. His choices are season-ending surgery, minor surgery that will mean he has to play with pain, or a cortisone shot. If O’Neal decides to have season-ending surgery, the Celtics could waive him and sign another

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Soooo on board with that, if only for the funny quotes.

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Re: Boris Diaw?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2012, 02:05:07 PM »

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Ugh. It comes down to names like this and Darko, but that comes with the trade rumor territory. Today this showed up on ESPN:

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The Charlotte Bobcats won't make a trade that helps them in the short-term, but hurts in the long-term. The team doesn't have a lot assets, however the hope is at least one team likes Boris Diaw enough to take him off Charlotte's roster.

Richard Walker of the Gaston Gazette writes: "It wouldn't be a surprise if Diaw, who will be a free agent this summer, is traded. His relationship continues to sour with Paul Silas, including Sunday night's effort in which Diaw took four shots. Silas has clashed with Diaw much of the year about shooting more -- Diaw's is one of the team's better shooter -- but Diaw has shot 10 or more times in 13 games this season."

Diaw is a likely candidate to have his contract bought out if he's not traded by March 15.

He's not a great defender, but he's a versatile big who can shoot and is a great passer for his size. He wouldn't be my first option but if he's bought out, I'd imagine he would be in decent demand and he's certainly worth looking into.

I've been boosting for a Diaw acquisition for what feels like ages.

If we want to hold on to our 1st round picks and young guys, I don't think we can do any better than JO/Dooling/2nd rounder for Diaw.

He's suffering through a bad offensive year, no question (41% from the field, 27% from 3), but everyone is on that busted Charlotte team (check out the stats on Corey Maggette and Tyrus Thomas: unbelievable!).  Put him on a functional squad like the C's and I think he'd have little problem approximating last year's %s (49% from the field, 34.5% from 3, 55.8TS%).

While he doesn't do anything to address our primary team weakness - rebounding - he would be an enormous upgrade on Dooling as the missing rotation piece.

Right now Doc is using Dooling as a scorer/ball-handler to provide that 2nd unit with speed, floor-spacing, scoring punch and a little supplementary play-making to make up for Bradley's deficiency in that area.  He's doing so at the expense of rebounding (Dooling is one of the very worst rebounders in the league at the point, much less the wing) and defense (Dooling is painfully undersized at the wing), and he's gaining very little advantages in return: Dooling's shooting poorly and faring even worse than Bradley as a playmaker.

Consider that Diaw has historically been a more efficient scorer on similar volume and a vastly superior playmaker/facilitator (2nd in the league in assists per minute behind LeBron among forwards) than Dooling.  He's also a liability on the boards (as a PF/C, better as a swing forward), but considerably less so than Dooling.  He'd make us a much better team.

Assuming a JO/Dooling for Diaw trade, I'd propose the following rotation:

Rondo (37)/Avery (11)
Pietrus (24)/Ray (24)
Pierce (34)/ Ray (10)/ Diaw (4)
Bass (32)/Diaw (12)/Wilcox (4)
KG (30)/Wilcox (18)


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Re: Boris Diaw?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2012, 02:12:52 PM »

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Ugh. It comes down to names like this and Darko, but that comes with the trade rumor territory. Today this showed up on ESPN:

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The Charlotte Bobcats won't make a trade that helps them in the short-term, but hurts in the long-term. The team doesn't have a lot assets, however the hope is at least one team likes Boris Diaw enough to take him off Charlotte's roster.

Richard Walker of the Gaston Gazette writes: "It wouldn't be a surprise if Diaw, who will be a free agent this summer, is traded. His relationship continues to sour with Paul Silas, including Sunday night's effort in which Diaw took four shots. Silas has clashed with Diaw much of the year about shooting more -- Diaw's is one of the team's better shooter -- but Diaw has shot 10 or more times in 13 games this season."

Diaw is a likely candidate to have his contract bought out if he's not traded by March 15.

He's not a great defender, but he's a versatile big who can shoot and is a great passer for his size. He wouldn't be my first option but if he's bought out, I'd imagine he would be in decent demand and he's certainly worth looking into.

I don't think we'd have a shot if he's bought out. He'll go somewhere warm that'll let him play his game.

I'd be pretty cool with it if we could trade for him, but at what cost?

JO+a 2nd? Maybe.

EDIT: You could do JO+Sasha, but you'd still fall 50k short of Diaw's 9 million cap number.

Ain't happening.

JO, plus any two of Sasha, Quis, and Moore would work.
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Re: Boris Diaw?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2012, 02:23:59 PM »

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Just don't let him and Josh Beckett do any charity events at Dunkin' Donuts together, or a French Cruller eating contest might break out....
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Re: Boris Diaw?
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2012, 02:25:53 PM »

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Just don't let him and Josh Beckett do any charity events at Dunkin' Donuts together, or a French Cruller eating contest might break out....


Diaw's weight gain is pretty embarrassing.  Came out of nowhere.  Hasn't hindered him much though, though he's not as quick as he used to be defensively.
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2012, 02:33:30 PM »

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Just don't let him and Josh Beckett do any charity events at Dunkin' Donuts together, or a French Cruller eating contest might break out....


Diaw's weight gain is pretty embarrassing.  Came out of nowhere.  Hasn't hindered him much though, though he's not as quick as he used to be defensively.

If the Cs are going to trade for a 4 or 5, they better get rebounding. Diaw is a terrible rebounder.
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2012, 02:44:16 PM »

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I'd have to think that the Bobcats would just rather cut Diaw than take on even a bunch of expiring deals, unless we threw in some second round picks or something. Taking on JO and Sasha/Quis/Dooling would just be a hassle for a team that would have no interest in any of them.

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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2012, 02:46:20 PM »

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Don't really see how Diaw fits on this team, or makes them better.  Not worth it.

Sheed redux without the defense or size, if you ask me.
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Re: Boris Diaw?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2012, 03:00:54 PM »

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Don't really see how Diaw fits on this team, or makes them better.  Not worth it.

Sheed redux without the defense or size, if you ask me.

You can run your offense through Diaw.  Great passer, very versatile shot creator: can take big guys off the bounce and post up wings (very good post player actually).   That's a huge skill to have off our bench, as Bradley's severely limited as a PG, and guys like Wilcox and Pietrus are good finishers who need someone to create for them.

As for the comparison, Diaw's more like Toine than Sheed, only with a Rondo-like aversion to shooting. 

He's a versatile defender, too.  Can hold post position and rotates well; plays smart defense.  Slowed  down with the weight gain, but still somewhat capable.

He sucks as a rebounder, but Dooling sucks worse, and Diaw's addition would boot him out of the rotation (if I had anything to do with it).

I view Diaw as a Toine/Scal hybrid.
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Re: Boris Diaw?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2012, 03:06:51 PM »

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As for the comparison, Diaw's more like Toine than Sheed, only with a Rondo-like aversion to shooting. 


I would have thought it was impossible to compare a person to Antoine Walker while saying he doesn't like to shoot. I guess I was wrong.