Ainge's Strategy going forward

[goCeltics]

If you listen to ainge interviews on weei he talks about staying disciplined and making moves for that are a step a away, i.e. acquiring a player as an asset to be used in a trade later on, an example of this could be considered to be acquiring theo ratliff a player that one of the few expiring contracts a year before garnett was to become a free agent. Once your really a contender you can start adding the missing 'pieces', but if you start adding those pieces before you acquired your superstar you tend to hinder yourself, as acquiring that superstar becomes more difficult. I think you want anticipate ainge's next move you have to evaluate the move in manner as to whether it gets u closer to acquiring the next superstar.

Take for example rajon rondo, ainge may or may not believe his the next superstar to build around, but he surely does believe his a valuable piece to use in getting such a superstar, this is why i believe he won't trade him for example pau gasol who is a past his prime player and on a very expensive contract. For example imagine Russell Westbrook for whatever reason becomes available next year, which piece would be more valuable to offer next year in trade to Oklahoma, a 26 year old rajon rondo after a further year of improvement or pau gasol who be tuning 33 years old that summer who be earning 10 more million than him. I think it close but you have to assume rajon would be the more valuable piece.

When it comes to trade the big 3 the same applies, will they fetch you pieces that will be valuable to trade away it getting star players, my guess is not since of their advanced age and contracts that they have, so it probably not worthwhile trading them away with the possible exception of pierce.

Aing may make small moves but nothing to hinder any possible future moves for a star player.

[PosImpos]

Trading Allen or KG for any future assets (without killing cap space) will help in the "move that's a step away," because those guys aren't going to be here next season, in all likelihood.

Finding a worthwhile trade involving Pierce would be more difficult, but I think it's possible.

[cman88]

if you look at the players Ainge is looking at: beasley, Josh Smith

and they are players who can run the break and are athletic.

if ainge can somehow acquire 1 of the 2(or even josh smith) that puts us in a better position to pitch to free agents to come to boston...with Josh smith/Rondo you have 2 allstar calibar players

[PosImpos]

if you look at the players Ainge is looking at: beasley, Josh Smith

and they are players who can run the break and are athletic.

if ainge can somehow acquire 1 of the 2(or even josh smith) that puts us in a better position to pitch to free agents to come to boston...with Josh smith/Rondo you have 2 allstar calibar players

Rondo, Bradley, Beasley, Smith, JJJ, maybe Green

I'd be happy if that's what we had to start with going into next season.  That might even be somewhat enticing to Dwight Howard.

[cman88]

if you look at the players Ainge is looking at: beasley, Josh Smith

and they are players who can run the break and are athletic.

if ainge can somehow acquire 1 of the 2(or even josh smith) that puts us in a better position to pitch to free agents to come to boston...with Josh smith/Rondo you have 2 allstar calibar players

Rondo, Bradley, Beasley, Smith, JJJ, maybe Green

I'd be happy if that's what we had to start with going into next season.  That might even be somewhat enticing to Dwight Howard.

it would be a better package than the Nets could put together IMO..they basically can offer him williams and thats about it

[clover]

Trading Allen or KG for any future assets (without killing cap space) will help in the "move that's a step away," because those guys aren't going to be here next season, in all likelihood.

Finding a worthwhile trade involving Pierce would be more difficult, but I think it's possible.

I wonder if the league would in any way complain if Danny traded away the Big Three and climbed up the lottery charts.

[hpantazo]

Trading Allen or KG for any future assets (without killing cap space) will help in the "move that's a step away," because those guys aren't going to be here next season, in all likelihood.

Finding a worthwhile trade involving Pierce would be more difficult, but I think it's possible.

I wonder if the league would in any way complain if Danny traded away the Big Three and climbed up the lottery charts.

I don't see why they would have any legitimate reason to complain, but the problem is no lottery team has a legitimate reason to trade their pick for one or all of the big three

[Celtics4ever]

Get assets and picks.  Then use them to either win or get stars.

[SHAQATTACK]

We need a couple allstar calibre players of Rondo quality ,to attract the superstar player attention.  At least show the direction we are heading . Josh Smith is that type of player we need as bait to get even better talent on board.

I'm betting DA is taking a hard look at the JSmith situation , gets us going in the right direction and helps unload the older guys while the window is still open to do so.

I'm thinking as of now if DA an't lying , then he's gonna build around Rondo as the core ,at least until a "Super" star is landed .  Still I have an uneasy feeling , I would bet money on it.

Maybe he makes a move for Smith soon.  If not , he 'll be wheeling and dealing like crazy this summer.

I just got a feeling he'll build it on the fly as the players and deal, and draft picks all get sort ed out.

After the 15th , I'd need a crystal ball to predict who get shipped off and who 'll be here. Nobody seems safe.  

With Danny , we know one thing for sure , we can expect the unexpected .  

[goCeltics]

The thing about acquiring j smith and beasley is they would require picks to acquire, in beasley case the clippers pick which should be in the twenties, in which case it might be worth the gamble, if you were to offload pierce. In the case of j smith it would peobably require taking marvin williams contract and a pick. Depending on the protection of the pick it might be worthwhile to make the deal.

[PosImpos]

Trading Allen or KG for any future assets (without killing cap space) will help in the "move that's a step away," because those guys aren't going to be here next season, in all likelihood.

Finding a worthwhile trade involving Pierce would be more difficult, but I think it's possible.

I wonder if the league would in any way complain if Danny traded away the Big Three and climbed up the lottery charts.

I don't see why they would have any legitimate reason to complain, but the problem is no lottery team has a legitimate reason to trade their pick for one or all of the big three

I think he meant that the team would suddenly be so much worse that they'd "climb up the lottery charts." 

The league wouldn't complain.  Nothing technically wrong with trading away your best players and tanking.

[Inside-Out]

There are some nice pieces that could float our way with plenty of shooting range and running.  If we have the inside track on Beasley, Bass, and Green along with Pierce, Rondo, returing Ray and KG on short cheap deals ($2-3M ea.), and some oney for a center, and I think we look pretty good for another year like this:

Rondo / Bradley / Moore
Pierce / Ray / 1stRdPick
Green / Beasley / 1stRdPick
Wilcox / Bass / JJJ
KG / FACenter / Steimsma

[jyyzzoel]

I think Danny's strategy could go a number of ways.  Essentially though, the main aim is to create an athletic team that can rebound and score, which are our three main deficiencies, aside from turnovers.  Danny loves good contracts, so if he can trade away any of our players to get highly efficient players on relatively cheap contracts he will.  If he can't, he'll just let KG and rays contracts run out and enjoy the cap space.  I also think there's a good possibility that he trades Pierce if not by the trade deadline, then on draft night. I also think that having learned from the whole Krstic, Jeff Green debacle he won't let any of the cheaply signed players we have signed now leave in free agency if there's a good chance he can get ANYTHING for them now. Eg: Keeyon Dooling and Greg Stiemsma for a 2nd rounder of something.  He's looking for expiring contracts, such as Beasley's with the aim being to resign them to cheap contracts, or if they do decide to go to another team, do a sign and trade to get something in return like he did by getting Brandon Bass for Baby. So I anticipate him trying to make a play for JaVale McGee, O.J Mayo, James Harden, Roy Hibbert, Kirk Hinrich,etc. But more importantly players who are actually effective, but aren't big names - like how he was going after Reggie Evans in the past offseason, or Kenneth Faried.  I do expect him to make a play in the off-season for both Jeremy Lin and Landy Fields, as it seems highly unlikely New York can keep both players next season with their salary cap how it is now - Landry Fields being the more likely who is way more effective than people realise... and adding players who aren't high maintenance, unless they are ridiculously talented and have huge upsides. I think unless he can move KG for J-Smoove & Hinrich KG ends the season a Celtic.

[Inside-Out]

I think Danny's strategy could go a number of ways.  Essentially though, the main aim is to create an athletic team that can rebound and score, which are our three main deficiencies, aside from turnovers.  Danny loves good contracts, so if he can trade away any of our players to get highly efficient players on relatively cheap contracts he will.  If he can't, he'll just let KG and rays contracts run out and enjoy the cap space.  I also think there's a good possibility that he trades Pierce if not by the trade deadline, then on draft night. I also think that having learned from the whole Krstic, Jeff Green debacle he won't let any of the cheaply signed players we have signed now leave in free agency if there's a good chance he can get ANYTHING for them now. Eg: Keeyon Dooling and Greg Stiemsma for a 2nd rounder of something.  He's looking for expiring contracts, such as Beasley's with the aim being to resign them to cheap contracts, or if they do decide to go to another team, do a sign and trade to get something in return like he did by getting Brandon Bass for Baby. So I anticipate him trying to make a play for JaVale McGee, O.J Mayo, James Harden, Roy Hibbert, Kirk Hinrich,etc. But more importantly players who are actually effective, but aren't big names - like how he was going after Reggie Evans in the past offseason, or Kenneth Faried.  I do expect him to make a play in the off-season for both Jeremy Lin and Landy Fields, as it seems highly unlikely New York can keep both players next season with their salary cap how it is now - Landry Fields being the more likely who is way more effective than people realise... and adding players who aren't high maintenance, unless they are ridiculously talented and have huge upsides. I think unless he can move KG for J-Smoove & Hinrich KG ends the season a Celtic.

Wow. That was hard to read all bunch together like that, but worth slugging through.

I agree with the sentiment that Danny could put together an ensemble team of athletic offensive threats that could set us up to have someone who plays at a sub-star level at nearly every position, almost assuring us of a mismatch somewhere, with Rondo setting things up and running the break?

I put the alleged interest in Beasley in the evidence pile for this, right along with JGreen and perhaps even Wilcox.  There's potential for some solid punch there at value prices.  Rondo will make them look like near-stars.

Rondo, Pierce, JGreen, Beasley, Ray, Wilcox, KG, Bradley, JJJ, Moore, two rookie 1sts in a solid draft...

What salaries would have to happen to keep the band together and get Dwight if even he signs for a slight discount? 

The offensive punch of that type of lineup just begs for a defensive superathlete Center, doesn't it.

[jyyzzoel]

I think Danny's strategy could go a number of ways.  Essentially though, the main aim is to create an athletic team that can rebound and score, which are our three main deficiencies, aside from turnovers.  Danny loves good contracts, so if he can trade away any of our players to get highly efficient players on relatively cheap contracts he will.  If he can't, he'll just let KG and rays contracts run out and enjoy the cap space.  I also think there's a good possibility that he trades Pierce if not by the trade deadline, then on draft night. I also think that having learned from the whole Krstic, Jeff Green debacle he won't let any of the cheaply signed players we have signed now leave in free agency if there's a good chance he can get ANYTHING for them now. Eg: Keeyon Dooling and Greg Stiemsma for a 2nd rounder of something.  He's looking for expiring contracts, such as Beasley's with the aim being to resign them to cheap contracts, or if they do decide to go to another team, do a sign and trade to get something in return like he did by getting Brandon Bass for Baby. So I anticipate him trying to make a play for JaVale McGee, O.J Mayo, James Harden, Roy Hibbert, Kirk Hinrich,etc. But more importantly players who are actually effective, but aren't big names - like how he was going after Reggie Evans in the past offseason, or Kenneth Faried.  I do expect him to make a play in the off-season for both Jeremy Lin and Landy Fields, as it seems highly unlikely New York can keep both players next season with their salary cap how it is now - Landry Fields being the more likely who is way more effective than people realise... and adding players who aren't high maintenance, unless they are ridiculously talented and have huge upsides. I think unless he can move KG for J-Smoove & Hinrich KG ends the season a Celtic.

Wow. That was hard to read all bunch together like that, but worth slugging through.

I agree with the sentiment that Danny could put together an ensemble team of athletic offensive threats that could set us up to have someone who plays at a sub-star level at nearly every position, almost assuring us of a mismatch somewhere, with Rondo setting things up and running the break?

I put the alleged interest in Beasley in the evidence pile for this, right along with JGreen and perhaps even Wilcox.  There's potential for some solid punch there at value prices.  Rondo will make them look like near-stars.

Rondo, Pierce, JGreen, Beasley, Ray, Wilcox, KG, Bradley, JJJ, Moore, two rookie 1sts in a solid draft...

What salaries would have to happen to keep the band together and get Dwight if even he signs for a slight discount? 

The offensive punch of that type of lineup just begs for a defensive superathlete Center, doesn't it.

First of all, I don't think Jeff Green will be a Celtic next season.  He's a mediocre player who will demand way more than he's worth.  The ony reason DA signed him for $9 mill this year was so he could be used as contract filler to get a superstar. So I think DA does a sign and trade to some team who overvalues him. I think he's only really worth about 4-5 mill a year.

Secondly, everyone is looking at league now wondering about who we could get... the reality is that most of the league right now is mediocre.  The problem with the big 3 is that they perform better than most of the league, but their age makes other owners weary of trading for them.  I think the next 2 drafts will produce a huge amount of talent, and in doing so, at least a third of the guys in the league now will be out of the NBA in 2 years, so looking into the league as it is now for direct replacements for PP, ray, or KG via trades is for the most part useless.

Ainge only plays for championships, which I love about him.  He's not gonna do a Detroit by signing mediocre players to large contracts just for the hell of it...  and that lineup Rondo, Pierce, JGreen, Beasley, Ray, Wilcox, KG, Bradley, JJJ, Moore, two rookie 1sts in a solid draft isn't going to get a ring. It just won't.

So the reality is that Ainge is aiming to stockpile assets now to use in future drafts and trades.  The plan this year is to make the playoffs, just to keep the people of Boston happy.  But as far as constructing a team that will contend next season goes - unless he can get dwight, deron, trade kg and bass for kobe, and fill in some pieces, it ain't gonna happen.  Right now, I think the aim is what I posted earlier and also to repeat the draft success of 2004 by getting young assets and use those players to get a superstar or two.