Bad Year for Perk

[indeedproceed]

The Thunder will need Perk to get past the Lakers, Clips, Mavs in the playoffs. They didnt overpay. We would have #18 had we "overpayed".

No we wouldn't. Our bench was terrible last season.  Everyone conveniently forgets how awful the bench was prior to the trade.

How can we.  The bench was awful after the trade. 

At least Jeff Green is locked up longterm so it won't be a problem again.

Excuse me? He's not even a restricted free agent?

[BballTim]

The Thunder will need Perk to get past the Lakers, Clips, Mavs in the playoffs. They didnt overpay. We would have #18 had we "overpayed".

No we wouldn't. Our bench was terrible last season.  Everyone conveniently forgets how awful the bench was prior to the trade.

How can we.  The bench was awful after the trade. 

At least Jeff Green is locked up longterm so it won't be a problem again.

Excuse me? He's not even a restricted free agent?

  Don't get snarky.





  We do have Green's bird rights, though.

[indeedproceed]

The Thunder will need Perk to get past the Lakers, Clips, Mavs in the playoffs. They didnt overpay. We would have #18 had we "overpayed".

No we wouldn't. Our bench was terrible last season.  Everyone conveniently forgets how awful the bench was prior to the trade.

How can we.  The bench was awful after the trade. 

At least Jeff Green is locked up longterm so it won't be a problem again.

Excuse me? He's not even a restricted free agent?

  Don't get snarky.





  We do have Green's bird rights, though.

Haha, its only snarky if you're directing it towards another person..unless you're Danny Ainge? Danny Ainge gets all of my snark.

[GreenFaith1819]

Mr Intangibles is what I'd call him. What he brings to a team has rarely been measurable quantifiably.

People keep stating this as if it's fact. It IS measurable quantifiably and the measurements show is this:

Perkins is a liability on offense. Fine, he's not an offensive player. But before, at least he wasn't a liability offensively. Now, he is.

He is blocking shots below his career average.

He, as of this year, has been a terrible rebounder for his position. Just awful.

Every sabremetric shows him as one of the worst players in the league.

The only number in his favor is the fact that the defense is clearly better with him on the floor. A couple problems with this is that this can't be solely attributed to him - it may speak more to the defensive weaknesses of the other big men on the team. And also, the Thunder are at best - an average defensive team. Meaning, Perkins is such a liability in other facets of the game that he can't stay on the floor all that much (28 minutes a game).

But I'm sure that Presti would tell you that Kendrick Perkins is worth 8-9 million per to OKC - in their system.

I'm venturing to believe that Perk will be wearing TWO rings here in the next few years - if not this year.

And yes you are right - for how Danny is trying to structure our team, I'm glad that he didn't pay Perk that much, too. I'm hoping that Jeff Green wil return to the team next year, as well as that No.1 Pick pans out for us.

It is with that that I believe the trade works out for both teams. But we haven't replaced Perk's Ubuntu, yet - and probably never will.

[Interceptor]

At least Jeff Green is locked up longterm so it won't be a problem again.

Excuse me? He's not even a restricted free agent?

Yeah, because there are so many people interested in a heart patient that stunk up the second half of last season, that the line of suitors wraps three times around the block.

[Kuberski33]

Haha, its only snarky if you're directing it towards another person..unless you're Danny Ainge? Danny Ainge gets all of my snark.

One could argue that if he had re-signed Tony Allen, the bench would have been good enough to not have had to deal Perk. 

[indeedproceed]

Haha, its only snarky if you're directing it towards another person..unless you're Danny Ainge? Danny Ainge gets all of my snark.

One could argue that if he had re-signed Tony Allen, the bench would have been good enough to not have had to deal Perk. 

I'd think that argument would have some real teeth. Although, the logical counter-point is that nobody could no know much TA would bloom last year. It wasn't until playing him became a necessity, not a choice, that he really showed what he could do for the Griz.

[Celtics18]

Haha, its only snarky if you're directing it towards another person..unless you're Danny Ainge? Danny Ainge gets all of my snark.

One could argue that if he had re-signed Tony Allen, the bench would have been good enough to not have had to deal Perk. 

I'd think that argument would have some real teeth. Although, the logical counter-point is that nobody could no know much TA would bloom last year. It wasn't until playing him became a necessity, not a choice, that he really showed what he could do for the Griz.

I think he gave a pretty good indication during the 2010 playoffs of what kind of impact he could have.

[indeedproceed]

Haha, its only snarky if you're directing it towards another person..unless you're Danny Ainge? Danny Ainge gets all of my snark.

One could argue that if he had re-signed Tony Allen, the bench would have been good enough to not have had to deal Perk. 

I'd think that argument would have some real teeth. Although, the logical counter-point is that nobody could no know much TA would bloom last year. It wasn't until playing him became a necessity, not a choice, that he really showed what he could do for the Griz.

I think he gave a pretty good indication during the 2010 playoffs of what kind of impact he could have.

Definitely was clutch.

But, just so I know I'm not alone...if I say "Remember the most important Tony Allen moment besides his knee injury," does anyone else think back to Billups' pump-fake into foul during the 08 playoffs?

[indeedproceed]

Mr Intangibles is what I'd call him. What he brings to a team has rarely been measurable quantifiably.

People keep stating this as if it's fact. It IS measurable quantifiably and the measurements show is this:

Perkins is a liability on offense. Fine, he's not an offensive player. But before, at least he wasn't a liability offensively. Now, he is.

He is blocking shots below his career average.

He, as of this year, has been a terrible rebounder for his position. Just awful.

Every sabremetric shows him as one of the worst players in the league.

The only number in his favor is the fact that the defense is clearly better with him on the floor. A couple problems with this is that this can't be solely attributed to him - it may speak more to the defensive weaknesses of the other big men on the team. And also, the Thunder are at best - an average defensive team. Meaning, Perkins is such a liability in other facets of the game that he can't stay on the floor all that much (28 minutes a game).

I'd say the most important statistic is .806.

That's the Thunder's winning %, in a season where Perkins has missed what...1 game?

While I'm not pretending to say that the winning % is ALL perkins, or even that the improvement from last year (20% better, or 6 more wins from the this point after 36 games) is all Perkins. I'm saying however that on a team where he is an acknowledged leader, and tone-setter on defense, it would make sense to give him some credit.

Yes, Durant's continued evolution, Ibaka's pardon from bench purgatory have helped, but Perkins has helped, and they're winning games.

[BballTim]

Haha, its only snarky if you're directing it towards another person..unless you're Danny Ainge? Danny Ainge gets all of my snark.

One could argue that if he had re-signed Tony Allen, the bench would have been good enough to not have had to deal Perk. 

I'd think that argument would have some real teeth. Although, the logical counter-point is that nobody could no know much TA would bloom last year. It wasn't until playing him became a necessity, not a choice, that he really showed what he could do for the Griz.

I think he gave a pretty good indication during the 2010 playoffs of what kind of impact he could have.

Definitely was clutch.

But, just so I know I'm not alone...if I say "Remember the most important Tony Allen moment besides his knee injury," does anyone else think back to Billups' pump-fake into foul during the 08 playoffs?

  Two years ago that would be the case. Wade throwing up threes because he couldn't drive past TA and the way he shut down Kobe at times in the finals should eclipse that, though.

[indeedproceed]

Haha, its only snarky if you're directing it towards another person..unless you're Danny Ainge? Danny Ainge gets all of my snark.

One could argue that if he had re-signed Tony Allen, the bench would have been good enough to not have had to deal Perk. 

I'd think that argument would have some real teeth. Although, the logical counter-point is that nobody could no know much TA would bloom last year. It wasn't until playing him became a necessity, not a choice, that he really showed what he could do for the Griz.

I think he gave a pretty good indication during the 2010 playoffs of what kind of impact he could have.

Definitely was clutch.

But, just so I know I'm not alone...if I say "Remember the most important Tony Allen moment besides his knee injury," does anyone else think back to Billups' pump-fake into foul during the 08 playoffs?

  Two years ago that would be the case. Wade throwing up threes because he couldn't drive past TA and the way he shut down Kobe at times in the finals should eclipse that, though.

Maybe its all those years of annoyed disdain for the guy who just couldn't put it together, but I still think back to the Billups moment. I remember Shrek and Donkey more clearly than I remember Tony's defense in 2010.

[fairweatherfan]

Haha, its only snarky if you're directing it towards another person..unless you're Danny Ainge? Danny Ainge gets all of my snark.

One could argue that if he had re-signed Tony Allen, the bench would have been good enough to not have had to deal Perk.  

I'd think that argument would have some real teeth. Although, the logical counter-point is that nobody could no know much TA would bloom last year. It wasn't until playing him became a necessity, not a choice, that he really showed what he could do for the Griz.

I think he gave a pretty good indication during the 2010 playoffs of what kind of impact he could have.

Definitely was clutch.

But, just so I know I'm not alone...if I say "Remember the most important Tony Allen moment besides his knee injury," does anyone else think back to Billups' pump-fake into foul during the 08 playoffs?

I'm pretty sure that was our first regular-season game against Detroit that year.  

EDIT: Yup.

But I think of this, anyway.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5IIYcsFHEw

Po Gasol, indeed.

[Celtics18]

Haha, its only snarky if you're directing it towards another person..unless you're Danny Ainge? Danny Ainge gets all of my snark.

One could argue that if he had re-signed Tony Allen, the bench would have been good enough to not have had to deal Perk. 

I'd think that argument would have some real teeth. Although, the logical counter-point is that nobody could no know much TA would bloom last year. It wasn't until playing him became a necessity, not a choice, that he really showed what he could do for the Griz.

I think he gave a pretty good indication during the 2010 playoffs of what kind of impact he could have.

Definitely was clutch.

But, just so I know I'm not alone...if I say "Remember the most important Tony Allen moment besides his knee injury," does anyone else think back to Billups' pump-fake into foul during the 08 playoffs?

Combining with Rajon Rondo to make for the nastiest perimeter defensive tandem in recent memory against Lebron's mighty Cavs in the 2010 playoffs is mine.  

[indeedproceed]

I'm pretty sure that was our first regular-season game against Detroit.

True indeed.