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All this trade rondo talk; where does he rank as a celtic pg ?
« on: March 01, 2012, 04:10:44 PM »

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Mr Cousy has set the bar about as high as it can go for a point guard.  So many people like to point out Rajon Rondo's faults but where is he in the list of all time great celtic point guards.  Quick list of the top of my head:
Bob Cousy
Sam Jones
JoJo White
Dennis Johnson
Sherman Douglas
Rajon Rondo

I'll let someone post up career numbers etc .  I can't help thinking of 6 years in the nba and the numbers rondo has put up with our team.  Each guy on the list above has some faults (cousy and jojo were pretty solid all the way around).  Feel free to add other guys to the list (no brian shaw allowed) but put aside the rondo hate and look at his career so far.
rank them!
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Re: All this trade rondo talk; where does he rank as a celtic pg ?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2012, 04:19:19 PM »

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I'd probably rank Tiny Archibald a little higher than Rondo if we would've had him a couple more years.
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Re: All this trade rondo talk; where does he rank as a celtic pg ?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2012, 04:23:57 PM »

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Quote from: Celtic Fan Forever on March 01, 2012, 04:19:19 PM
I'd probably rank Tiny Archibald a little higher than Rondo if we would've had him a couple more years.
I cannot believe I forgot Tiny.  Funny Tiny in Kansas City had a reputation as not the best teammate and a bit of a me first player.  Great veteran pick up for us, nearly as important as Bird that first year.
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Re: All this trade rondo talk; where does he rank as a celtic pg ?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2012, 04:45:06 PM »

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Win Shares at a Celtic:
Bob Cousy 91.1
Jo Jo White 51.0
KC Jones 38.6
Rajon Rondo 38.1
Dennis Johnson 35.2
Dee Brown 28.2
Tiny Archibald 25.5
Dana Barros 18.1
Kenny Anderson 17.5
David Wesley 15.0

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Re: All this trade rondo talk; where does he rank as a celtic pg ?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2012, 04:45:19 PM »

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Bob Cousy
Rajon Rondo
JoJo White
Tiny Archibald
Sam Jones (I see Sam as more of a SG than PG)
Dennis Johnson
Kenny Anderson
Sherman Douglas
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every other PG in C's history except ...
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Sebastian Telfair
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2012, 04:47:11 PM »

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Gary Payton and Kenny Anderson should be in there somewhere, right?
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2012, 04:54:09 PM »

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bob cousy
rajon rondo
dennis johnson
jojo white
tiny archibald

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2012, 05:01:00 PM »

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Quote from: LooseCannon on March 01, 2012, 04:45:06 PM
Win Shares at a Celtic:
Bob Cousy 91.1
Jo Jo White 51.0
KC Jones 38.6
Rajon Rondo 38.1
Dennis Johnson 35.2
Dee Brown 28.2
Tiny Archibald 25.5
Dana Barros 18.1
Kenny Anderson 17.5
David Wesley 15.0



  Win Shares/48  at a Celtic:
Bob Cousy .139
Jo Jo White .091
KC Jones .106
Rajon Rondo .139
Dennis Johnson .092
Dee Brown .099
Tiny Archibald .108
Kenny Anderson .116
David Wesley .111

  Rondo and Cousy by a fairly significant margin.
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2012, 05:08:01 PM »

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Bob Cousy
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Rajon Rondo/Tiny Archibald
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2012, 05:16:34 PM »

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Cousy
DJ
White
Rondo

They're all completely different players, though.
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2012, 05:18:16 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on March 01, 2012, 05:16:34 PM
Cousy
DJ
White
Rondo

They're all completely different players, though.

Looks right to me.
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Re: All this trade rondo talk; where does he rank as a celtic pg ?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2012, 05:23:16 PM »

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He is the 2nd best passer at PG we have had.  Cousy is 1.   Defensively I would place him 3rd behind DJ and Avery.   Shooting wise he is not top ten.  This is all time.
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2012, 05:34:14 PM »

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There is no way on Earth I put Rajon ahead of Dj

Hmmm

Cousy
DJ
Avery Bradley
Rajo Rondo.

Just a starting framework. Can I consider Delonte a pg? I can, right?
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2012, 06:47:05 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on March 01, 2012, 05:16:34 PM
Cousy
DJ
White
Rondo

They're all completely different players, though.
yep cousy's shot % wasn't super, as tommy would say assists were calculated different back then , who knows what his totals would be i.e. all time leader i'd guess

dj's jumper was suspect (til 4th quarter),  low post force as a pg, today's fan would hate his reach around poke defense   , I've only seen 2 guards use that well  ;)
best defending guard of the bunch (and we had him late in his career)

jojo really was a complete pg, not flashy and not great numbers but really good, that team could run, very good defender

rondo better rebounder than anyone listed, passing ability like cousy, outside shot worst of this bunch, fg % on par with better ones in this group, 2nd best defender

year 6
cedric maxwell has his number retired (8 years) mvp for playoffs, really good fg %, good defender...if we step back and look at rondo's numbers through 6 years hmmmmmm
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Re: All this trade rondo talk; where does he rank as a celtic pg ?
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2012, 06:49:40 PM »

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Quote from: slamtheking on March 01, 2012, 04:45:19 PM
Bob Cousy
Rajon Rondo
JoJo White
Tiny Archibald
Sam Jones (I see Sam as more of a SG than PG)
Dennis Johnson
Kenny Anderson
Sherman Douglas
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every other PG in C's history except ...
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Sebastian Telfair
I think I put Marcus Banks below him actually. Although he was awfully fast
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