Some ideas for minor deals or a possible major deal

[cletus1985]

I'd like to start off by saying I'm not against just riding it out and reloading next year, but I think I've found some minor deals that could help us slightly this year (and possibly in the future) and one mega deal that might actually be possible to pull off, but would require other things to go right to really maximize the trade's potential.

I've done the research and all the numbers work, so let me know what you think about these trades for the Celtics if they were to happen.

Trade 1
We send Sacramento: Keyon Dooling + a future draft pick.
They send us: JJ Hickson.

Hickson isn't working out in Sac so a pick and expiring I think would net him. His contract expires this year so we won't take on any extra salary for next year and he's an athletic PF/C to run with Rondo.

Trade 2
We send Minnesota: Dooling, Pavlovic, Daniels, Steimsma + the clippers pick and a future 1st round pick Top 20 protected.

They send us: Michael Beasley

All Minnesota wants for Beasley is picks and I know almost everyone wants to dump JO for him, but picking up Beasley who is a SF or undersized PF for JO kills us for size. That is why I'd prefer dropping those 4 players who are basically dead weight at the end of the bench (excluding Dooling, who I want to dump for more AB and Moore) than give up our only true center who's size may be critical for us.

Trade 3
This trade gets very complicated, but here we go.

We send Orlando: Rondo, Pierce, Dooling, Bradley, JJJ, and our 2 1st round picks.

Orlando sends us: Howard, Turkoglu, and Jameer Nelson. Also we receive trade exceptions for Bradley and JJJ.

This trade would leave us with 40.5 million on the books next year, so we could sign Deron Williams to pair with Dwight. We could also try to flip Nelson to the Lakers for Luke Walton, Jason Kapono, and Darius Morris, which would save us an additional 3 million next year and Walton would be an expiring to try and trade off at next years deadline (Nelson is also an expiring next year.)

For this trade to really pay off Dwight has to agree to an extension and we would need KG and and Allen to come back next year on vet minimum deals to go for another title run with Williams and Howard. We would use the trade exceptions on a couple of 1 yr contract guys for filler this year.

We could also try to work out a deal for Beasley using JO and future picks to solidify our SF position for this year.


I think a starting 5 of: DH, KG, Beasley, RA, and Nelson/Moore and a bench of: Bass, Turkoglu, Wilcox, Pietrus, plus filler players (Pavlovic, Daniels, Steimsma) would at least make us a very scary team in the playoffs this year and with Deron Williams next year I think we're major contenders.

If we did trade nelson to L.A. i think a guy like Ronnie Price could be had for a trade exception and we could let E'twaun run the point.

As I said it could get very complicated to get the max potential out of this trade, but I don't think any of what I've came up with would be going overboard to see come together.

[Who]

(1) JJ Hickson is very similar and comparable to Chris Wilcox. I wouldn't give up a draft pick to get Hickson especially when we have a more experienced version of him already on the team.

(2) Not giving up two first round picks for Beasley. I'd rather just wait until the summer when he is a free agent and try to sign him then.

[SHAQATTACK]

Never bring back Glen Davis in any trade.

[cletus1985]

(1) JJ Hickson is very similar and comparable to Chris Wilcox. I wouldn't give up a draft pick to get Hickson especially when we have a more experienced version of him already on the team.

(2) Not giving up two first round picks for Beasley. I'd rather just wait until the summer when he is a free agent and try to sign him then.

(1) Honestly I just want another big body that can play center, JO and Wilcox are not the most dependable bigs health wise and I think Hickson is a decent back up who can run and fill in. I'm talking about most likely a 2nd round draft pick or a very late 1st rounder, which probably wouldn't net us anything better than Hickson anyways and it gives us two options to sign big men next year between him and Wilcox in case one splits. Also getting rid of Dooling opens up more PT for Avery and E'twaun which I would love to see this year.

(2) I get what you're saying but I would give up the clippers pick and a future pick that is lower than 20 (possibly a 2nd rounder) to see if Beasley can provide what we need this year without hurting our cap space for him. If we sign him in the offseason he's going to be looking for a long term deal and that is not worth it if he can't assimilate to this team and provide what we need for the future. I'd rather take a look at a proven NBA talent for a few months to see if he fits team needs than go into a crapshoot with a pick low enough that percentages would suggest are more likely they're going to be at best a good roleplayer or not even make it in the NBA. Granted there's a slim chance we find a diamond in the rough, but Beasley is a 23 yr old that has already proven he can be a starting caliber player if he works at it and expands his game and can be a weapon off the bench in his current state.

Never bring back Glen Davis in any trade.

Where in my post did I ever mention bringing back Big Baby?

[Geo123]

I'd like to start off by saying I'm not against just riding it out and reloading next year, but I think I've found some minor deals that could help us slightly this year (and possibly in the future) and one mega deal that might actually be possible to pull off, but would require other things to go right to really maximize the trade's potential.

I've done the research and all the numbers work, so let me know what you think about these trades for the Celtics if they were to happen.

Trade 1
We send Sacramento: Keyon Dooling + a future draft pick.
They send us: JJ Hickson.

Hickson isn't working out in Sac so a pick and expiring I think would net him. His contract expires this year so we won't take on any extra salary for next year and he's an athletic PF/C to run with Rondo.

Trade 2
We send Minnesota: Dooling, Pavlovic, Daniels, Steimsma + the clippers pick and a future 1st round pick Top 20 protected.

They send us: Michael Beasley

All Minnesota wants for Beasley is picks and I know almost everyone wants to dump JO for him, but picking up Beasley who is a SF or undersized PF for JO kills us for size. That is why I'd prefer dropping those 4 players who are basically dead weight at the end of the bench (excluding Dooling, who I want to dump for more AB and Moore) than give up our only true center who's size may be critical for us.

Trade 3
This trade gets very complicated, but here we go.

We send Orlando: Rondo, Pierce, Dooling, Bradley, JJJ, and our 2 1st round picks.

Orlando sends us: Howard, Turkoglu, and Jameer Nelson. Also we receive trade exceptions for Bradley and JJJ.

This trade would leave us with 40.5 million on the books next year, so we could sign Deron Williams to pair with Dwight. We could also try to flip Nelson to the Lakers for Luke Walton, Jason Kapono, and Darius Morris, which would save us an additional 3 million next year and Walton would be an expiring to try and trade off at next years deadline (Nelson is also an expiring next year.)

For this trade to really pay off Dwight has to agree to an extension and we would need KG and and Allen to come back next year on vet minimum deals to go for another title run with Williams and Howard. We would use the trade exceptions on a couple of 1 yr contract guys for filler this year.

We could also try to work out a deal for Beasley using JO and future picks to solidify our SF position for this year.


I think a starting 5 of: DH, KG, Beasley, RA, and Nelson/Moore and a bench of: Bass, Turkoglu, Wilcox, Pietrus, plus filler players (Pavlovic, Daniels, Steimsma) would at least make us a very scary team in the playoffs this year and with Deron Williams next year I think we're major contenders.

If we did trade nelson to L.A. i think a guy like Ronnie Price could be had for a trade exception and we could let E'twaun run the point.

As I said it could get very complicated to get the max potential out of this trade, but I don't think any of what I've came up with would be going overboard to see come together.

Why would we give up 2 #1's for Beasely when nobody else is offering anywhere near that?  Also why would T Wolves want 4 of our lesser players who won't even help them.  All that does is cause them to pay for plyers they're going to release...

The other trades aren't realistic.  Hickson is going to be a FA and he's been bad so why would we trade for him and why would the Kings trade him for what you offer? 

And Orlando isn't going to trade JH for what we could offer.  If they trade Howard they want young bigs and players who can help them in the future.  Pierce doesn't do that and neither does Rondo for that matter..

[wdleehi]

I would not send a single 1st round pick for Beasley.

[cletus1985]

Why would we give up 2 #1's for Beasely when nobody else is offering anywhere near that?  Also why would T Wolves want 4 of our lesser players who won't even help them.  All that does is cause them to pay for plyers they're going to release...

The other trades aren't realistic.  Hickson is going to be a FA and he's been bad so why would we trade for him and why would the Kings trade him for what you offer? 

And Orlando isn't going to trade JH for what we could offer.  If they trade Howard they want young bigs and players who can help them in the future.  Pierce doesn't do that and neither does Rondo for that matter..

Minnesota just wants picks for Beasley, we could probably give them the Clippers pick which will probably be around the 25th pick (not worth what some of you value it at) and perhaps a future 2nd rounder (I wouldn't give up any pick not top 20 protected). They aren't looking to get equal value in players if they're willing to accept JO they're probably planning on releasing that money anyways, so why not dump dead weight than our only legit center? Unless he's truly out for the season he's worth more to us than those four players.


Hickson has been horrible for the Kings, but his minutes are sporadic because they have an overabundance of bigs. Dooling gives them an expiring contract so they don't take on salary and they get a 2nd round draft pick for someone who isn't giving them much of anything. We take a gamble on a player who did well for the Cavs a few years ago and may fit better in our system than he does in the Kings. It's a low risk move that won't hurt either team and could be a nice payoff for us if he fits in well and contributes, Dooling is a decent 3rd string guard for the Kings and a veteran presence in the locker room and the 2nd round pick is a consolation prize that could be used in another deal for them or a gamble on a 2nd rounder that has some chance to end up being a steal in a draft.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I love these minor deals thing. I believe this is the way to go to get us winning again for this year and have some solid pieces while rebuilding.

We have two first rounders and expiring deals, those are good pieces to work around.

My biggest minor deal wish is Kosta Koufos, really. The dude is playing good off the bench minutes and giving solid production on limited amount of time. He's 23, legit 7'0'' with a solid big body. Plays back to basket and has a sweet jump hook. And most important, he rebounds good, 5 rebounds on 15 minutes per game. I just can't work out a deal on how to land him though. I believe he's worth the gamble for the Clips first. Playing very well right now and could be a big contributor for us.

There could also be some other names out there that can contribute for us that could be reached by using the CLips 1st.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I would not send a single 1st round pick for Beasley.

I would give them the Clippers 1st if they'd agree. I believe your problem with Beasley is his maturity. That can be fixed, the late 1st round pick would be worth the gamble. If he doesn't work out, we could still SnT him for a second. Beasley, like Blatche has immense talent offensively. I think his maturity issues will get fixed here.

[wdleehi]

I would not send a single 1st round pick for Beasley.

I would give them the Clippers 1st if they'd agree. I believe your problem with Beasley is his maturity. That can be fixed, the late 1st round pick would be worth the gamble. If he doesn't work out, we could still SnT him for a second. Beasley, like Blatche has immense talent offensively. I think his maturity issues will get fixed here.

A partial season before he becomes a FA seems like a bad investment for a player teams look to get rid of when they start to get good.


I would trade a 1st if I thought it improved the Celtics chances to win this season.