If the Celtics wanted to trade Rondo this season, luck is against them.

[wdleehi]

If the Celtics wanted to trade Rondo this season, they are very unlucky. 

First off, the position of PG has been the position in the NBA that has strengthen the most.  Multiple high draft pick PGs are working out.  No, all might not be stars, but most are high level starters.


Now, the emerging of PGs else where.  Rubio come in and looks great.  Lin in NY takes off.  And now, Isiah Thomas has a great stretch becoming a starter.



Trading a good PG (which Rondo is, not a great one) is not a good position to be in.  Fewer teams need one.  Teams are finding that with the rules in the NBA as they are, it is becoming easier to find good PGs. 

Therefor, the price to get a good PG has dropped.  It makes this probably a bad time to try and trade Rondo in hopes of a good return. 


Now, if a great deal comes up, Celtics pull the trigger.  But more likely, it means being really patient and being open to finding other ways to add a star and other good players to go with Rondo in the future.

[greenpride32]

You didn't even mention Kyrie.

If Rondo was truly an elite PG, he would be very tradeable; problem is he is not.  Just look at when CP3 was on the market, many teams inquired about him.  Any elite player is always in demand, but typically you assume they aren't on the trade market, or you probably don't have the assets to get them (I mean who could you possibly trade for a Durant or a Rose?). 

[Donoghus]

Now, if a great deal comes up, Celtics pull the trigger.  But more likely, it means being really patient and being open to finding other ways to add a star and other good players to go with Rondo in the future.

I really think this is most likely the direction the Celtics go.  I'm not really buying all this nonsense of absolutely blowing everything up including moving Rondo. 

Like you mentioned, unless a great deals comes along that they can't pass up, Rondo is staying.  (as I think he should and get the necessary complementary pieces in the sense that I think he is a complementary player himself and not "the man".)

[LB3533]

I think the problem for Rondo is the perception that as the emphasis of the franchise has shifted more and more to Rondo and less and less of the Big 3, the team has been worse and losing more games each season.

That doesn't represent Rondo in a very well light.

The losing is showing that Rondo doesn't really help his teammates get better. In reality, it is highly possible, without Rondo we would be losing even more than we are now.

I think Rubio has higher trade value than Rondo right even though Rubio is vastly an inferior player compared to Rondo.

Same is true for Lin. Lin may be the toast of league right now, but he is not a better player than Rondo.

But both Lin and Rubio are perceived in a more positive light than Rondo.

[PosImpos]

Point guards certainly don't have nearly as much trade value as talented bigs.  No doubt about that.

But both Lin and Rubio are perceived in a more positive light than Rondo.

Being able to shoot really helps your perception as a point guard.

How many teams in the league have a starting point guard who can't shoot?  Even John Wall is a (marginally) better shooter, and Andre Miller doesn't start, though he often plays starter minutes.  Other than that, I can't think of any.


I'm not suggesting that it's fair or reasonable, but I think Rondo's lack of a jumpshot as a point guard really damages the perception of his value as a player.

[cman88]

can we stop this notion that rondo cant shoot, or wont shoot?? hes shooting 42% of his long 2's this year and they look alot better..

is he a great shooter? no...but he is more than serviceable...and alot better than he was 2years ago or even last year.

[PosImpos]

can we stop this notion that rondo cant shoot, or wont shoot?? hes shooting 42% of his long 2's this year and they look alot better..

is he a great shooter? no...but he is more than serviceable...and alot better than he was 2years ago or even last year.

there's a big difference between shooting 42% on your wide-open mid-range jumpshots which you take only hesitantly (Rondo) and hitting that percentage of 2 point jumpers that you take when you're covered, off the dribble, catch and shoot, off screens, etc (practically every other point guard).

i'm sure there are a number of big men who can't really shoot who nonetheless have a serviceable (40-45) percentage from mid-range, simply because they don't shoot often and they are totally uncovered when they do.

also, i'm pretty sure that number -- 42% -- is not actually really any better than Rondo's been the last couple of seasons.

[cman88]

can we stop this notion that rondo cant shoot, or wont shoot?? hes shooting 42% of his long 2's this year and they look alot better..

is he a great shooter? no...but he is more than serviceable...and alot better than he was 2years ago or even last year.

there's a big difference between shooting 42% on your wide-open mid-range jumpshots which you take only hesitantly (Rondo) and hitting that percentage of 2 point jumpers that you take when you're covered, off the dribble, catch and shoot, off screens, etc (practically every other point guard).

i'm sure there are a number of big men who can't really shoot who nonetheless have a serviceable (40-45) percentage from mid-range, simply because they don't shoot often and they are totally uncovered when they do.

also, i'm pretty sure that number -- 42% -- is not actually really any better than Rondo's been the last couple of seasons.

Rondo actually shoots quite a few of his jumpers off of screens or off the dribble..and when he's left open, he'll take it..just watching the celtics this year you can tell hes taking more and is alot more confident with that shot.

and, he has to take those when he's left wide open. if he continues to make them like he has been this year throughout the season, opposing PG's will have to guard him differently next year.

To say he hasnt improved at all is pretty Inaccurate IMO...but I understand you are on the "trade rondo, he sucks!" bandwagon so it doesnt fit your MO..

[BballTim]

can we stop this notion that rondo cant shoot, or wont shoot?? hes shooting 42% of his long 2's this year and they look alot better..

is he a great shooter? no...but he is more than serviceable...and alot better than he was 2years ago or even last year.

there's a big difference between shooting 42% on your wide-open mid-range jumpshots which you take only hesitantly (Rondo) and hitting that percentage of 2 point jumpers that you take when you're covered, off the dribble, catch and shoot, off screens, etc (practically every other point guard).

i'm sure there are a number of big men who can't really shoot who nonetheless have a serviceable (40-45) percentage from mid-range, simply because they don't shoot often and they are totally uncovered when they do.

also, i'm pretty sure that number -- 42% -- is not actually really any better than Rondo's been the last couple of seasons.

  Watch nba games and you'll see players miss wide open outside shots on a regular basis. You'll also see them take open shots fairly regularly.

[Eja117]

If the Celtics wanted to trade Rondo this season, they are very unlucky. 

First off, the position of PG has been the position in the NBA that has strengthen the most.  Multiple high draft pick PGs are working out.  No, all might not be stars, but most are high level starters.


Now, the emerging of PGs else where.  Rubio come in and looks great.  Lin in NY takes off.  And now, Isiah Thomas has a great stretch becoming a starter.



Trading a good PG (which Rondo is, not a great one) is not a good position to be in.  Fewer teams need one.  Teams are finding that with the rules in the NBA as they are, it is becoming easier to find good PGs. 

Therefor, the price to get a good PG has dropped.  It makes this probably a bad time to try and trade Rondo in hopes of a good return. 


Now, if a great deal comes up, Celtics pull the trigger.  But more likely, it means being really patient and being open to finding other ways to add a star and other good players to go with Rondo in the future.

I agree with this more than almost any random post I've seen here. I was just saying almost the exact same thing word for word with my bro yesterday.

Even guys that I never thought would shoot well, like Brandon Jennings have raised their game.  Guys like Jimmer F, who were top 10 picks and ncaa leading scorers are having a hard time getting on the court as rotational combo guards.

It's amazing.  And to add to that we're having problems so every team in the league can be like "Well you need to get rid of him way more than we need him"

We'd have to take 70 cents on the dollar. Our best shot is like Jeff Teague, a draft pick, and Marvin Williams.  That's no rebuilding. That's just giving Avery Bradley a different young guy to sit behind and compete against.

[PosImpos]

can we stop this notion that rondo cant shoot, or wont shoot?? hes shooting 42% of his long 2's this year and they look alot better..

is he a great shooter? no...but he is more than serviceable...and alot better than he was 2years ago or even last year.

there's a big difference between shooting 42% on your wide-open mid-range jumpshots which you take only hesitantly (Rondo) and hitting that percentage of 2 point jumpers that you take when you're covered, off the dribble, catch and shoot, off screens, etc (practically every other point guard).

i'm sure there are a number of big men who can't really shoot who nonetheless have a serviceable (40-45) percentage from mid-range, simply because they don't shoot often and they are totally uncovered when they do.

also, i'm pretty sure that number -- 42% -- is not actually really any better than Rondo's been the last couple of seasons.

Rondo actually shoots quite a few of his jumpers off of screens or off the dribble..and when he's left open, he'll take it..just watching the celtics this year you can tell hes taking more and is alot more confident with that shot.

and, he has to take those when he's left wide open. if he continues to make them like he has been this year throughout the season, opposing PG's will have to guard him differently next year.

To say he hasnt improved at all is pretty Inaccurate IMO...but I understand you are on the "trade rondo, he sucks!" bandwagon so it doesnt fit your MO..

Roy's posted about this on a number of occasions.  I'm not sure where he gets his statistics, otherwise I'd post them.  But I know that each of the past few seasons people have remarked that it seems as though Rondo's shooting has improved, and Roy has produced numbers which suggest otherwise.  Rondo's 2-pt shooting has stayed around 40% throughout the Big 3 era.

can we stop this notion that rondo cant shoot, or wont shoot?? hes shooting 42% of his long 2's this year and they look alot better..

is he a great shooter? no...but he is more than serviceable...and alot better than he was 2years ago or even last year.

there's a big difference between shooting 42% on your wide-open mid-range jumpshots which you take only hesitantly (Rondo) and hitting that percentage of 2 point jumpers that you take when you're covered, off the dribble, catch and shoot, off screens, etc (practically every other point guard).

i'm sure there are a number of big men who can't really shoot who nonetheless have a serviceable (40-45) percentage from mid-range, simply because they don't shoot often and they are totally uncovered when they do.

also, i'm pretty sure that number -- 42% -- is not actually really any better than Rondo's been the last couple of seasons.

  Watch nba games and you'll see players miss wide open outside shots on a regular basis. You'll also see them take open shots fairly regularly.

I'm not quite certain what your point is here.  Surely we can agree that some players are covered differently than others, and some players shoot much more frequently, and in different situations from others.  I think we can also agree that those differences affect shooting percentages.

If Joakim Noah is left wide open to shoot his ugly spin jumper from the top of the key on a regular basis, and he makes 42% of those shots, does that make him a good, or even decent, shooter?  A decent shooter should hit more than 50% of wide open jumpshots.

[Eja117]

Two good pgs is becoming the norm. Look at the Bobcats with Kemba and DJ Aug. Minn with Rubes, JJ B, and Luke Rid.  Us with Rondo, Avery B, and Dooling. The Knicks with Lin, Shumpert, Douglas, Bibby, and Baron D.  The Raps with Calderon, J Bayless, and L Barbosa. The Spurs with Tony P, Gary Neal, and James Anderson There's just a lot of talent out there now

[csfansince60s]

Two good pgs is becoming the norm. Look at the Bobcats with Kemba and DJ Aug. Minn with Rubes, JJ B, and Luke Rid.  Us with Rondo, Avery B, and Dooling. The Knicks with Lin, Shumpert, Douglas, Bibby, and Baron D.  The Raps with Calderon, J Bayless, and L Barbosa. The Spurs with Tony P, Gary Neal, and James Anderson There's just a lot of talent out there now

Excellent point. Add to the list:Lawson/A.Miller,Paul/Billups (pre-injury),Lowry/Dragic, Collison/Hill.

Lotta depth out there.

[ScoobyDoo]

Rondo with a still potent KG, Pierce and Ray & with a serviceable center in the middle was the director of a very dominant team the last 4 seasons that was only derailed from having 2-3 titles right now instead of a single one.

Viewing Rondo's value as a player with no legit, healthy center and with a declining KG, Pierce and Ray is a bit unfair.

A very solid argument could be made that if you did the following:

1. Put a young Joe Johnson type in Pierce's spot
2. A young Eric Gordon type in Ray's place
3. A young Al Horford in KG's place
4. And a DeAndre Jordan type at center

You might well have another very young and very dominant team with Rondo at the head of it, directing traffic much like when KG, Pierce and Ray first arrived here.

JaVale McGee or Brook Lopez
Al Horford
Jeff Green
Eric Gordon
Rondo

I don't know what the combination of players would be. But Ainge is going to have the following to work with moving forward:

1. Our current crop of young players
2. A still effective Pierce  - or traded for a player
3. Two decent draft picks this year
4. Significant cap space
5. Possibly resigning KG and Ray cheap.

Question is, can he surround Rondo with a young crop of talented players similar to when KG, Ray and Pierce first arrived here. if so, I think Rondo would look very favorable as our point for many years to come. 
 

[ScoobyDoo]

Meant to say:

1. We were only derailed from very likely having 2-3 titles rather than one, with Rondo directing the show, because of  injuries. You give him the talent, he'll deliver.

2. Therefore, while we could trade him for talent at some other position - I would argue that we don't have to. He's already proven he can deliver great success as a the lead point when surrounded by good talent in their prime or at least close to it.