Rumour:Lakers-Magic-Twolves

[PosImpos]

Regarding the trade itself, perhaps the Celtics can get in on it?

Since Orlando has expressed a desire to remain competitive, maybe the Celtics could send either Pierce or Ray to Orlando and get Derrick Williams (and a couple other pieces) instead?

[heitingas]

Regarding the trade itself, perhaps the Celtics can get in on it?

Since Orlando has expressed a desire to remain competitive, maybe the Celtics could send either Pierce or Ray to Orlando and get Derrick Williams (and a couple other pieces) instead?

If Howard is traded to the Lakers Ainge will target Deron Williams, and the Nets would agree to take Rondo.

We become contenders with Deron this season.

[birdbrady]

I already suggested something along those lines of trading Pierce to Orlando and getting back someone.  Although Derrick Williams is of no interest to me.  NJs lotto pick this year would be better.  Hell, I'd think I'd even take Marshon Brooks and a late 1st rounder from NJ in like 2014 than Williams.  Orlando would have to wind up with Pierce + another two good vets in some 4 way deal.  I'm not one of those posters that spends hours on end of my life on Trade Checker, because, well the Celtics GM is Danny Ainge.  And he's as creative as any GM in sports, so I'm sure he's trying to get in on just about anything.

You can forget about Ray having any value to bring back a guy like Wliiams (#2 pick in the draft, as overrated as he might be, or NJs lotto pick, or whatever).  Ray is 36 and is sporting a 15 PER (which is league average.)  And he's also looked old as hell the last month.  Pierce is at least still an all star, 34, and has a 19 PER, which is the same as the last 3-4 years for him.  It's been said a million times.  Woj was on EEI like two weeks ago and said that Ray can't even fetch a first.  Danny has Ray on the block (along with the whole team) for a while and no one is biting.  Maybe Indiana who wants to take on some salary to make a run, but once again, I don't see them trading a 1st. Very unlikely they give up a 1 to Rent-A-Ray when they probably won't even win a playoff series.  And they won't even make an effort to re-sign him because they are using their 15M cap space to make a run at Gordon.

[PosImpos]

Regarding the trade itself, perhaps the Celtics can get in on it?

Since Orlando has expressed a desire to remain competitive, maybe the Celtics could send either Pierce or Ray to Orlando and get Derrick Williams (and a couple other pieces) instead?

If Howard is traded to the Lakers Ainge will target Deron Williams, and the Nets would agree to take Rondo.

We become contenders with Deron this season.

I'm unconvinced that will really be an option.  Even if the Nets are willing to trade Deron, don't you think they'd prefer a package of, say, Kyle Lowry, picks, and a couple of Houston's young players?

[PosImpos]

I already suggested something along those lines of trading Pierce to Orlando and getting back someone.  Although Derrick Williams is of no interest to me.  NJs lotto pick this year would be better.  Hell, I'd think I'd even take Marshon Brooks and a late 1st rounder from NJ in like 2014 than Williams.  Orlando would have to wind up with Pierce + another two good vets in some 4 way deal.  I'm not one of those posters that spends hours on end of my life on Trade Checker, because, well the Celtics GM is Danny Ainge.  And he's as creative as any GM in sports, so I'm sure he's trying to get in on just about anything.

You can forget about Ray having any value to bring back a guy like Wliiams (#2 pick in the draft, as overrated as he might be, or NJs lotto pick, or whatever).  Ray is 36 and is sporting a 15 PER (which is league average.)  And he's also looked old as hell the last month.  Pierce is at least still an all star, 34, and has a 19 PER, which is the same as the last 3-4 years for him.  It's been said a million times.  Woj was on EEI like two weeks ago and said that Ray can't even fetch a first.  Danny has Ray on the block (along with the whole team) for a while and no one is biting.  Maybe Indiana who wants to take on some salary to make a run, but once again, I don't see them trading a 1st. Very unlikely they give up a 1 to Rent-A-Ray when they probably won't even win a playoff series.  And they won't even make an effort to re-sign him because they are using their 15M cap space to make a run at Gordon.

Ray alone wouldn't do it, no.  But in a 4 team deal it's possible Ray and Pierce could both go out, and a few players could come back, including Williams.

[heitingas]

Regarding the trade itself, perhaps the Celtics can get in on it?

Since Orlando has expressed a desire to remain competitive, maybe the Celtics could send either Pierce or Ray to Orlando and get Derrick Williams (and a couple other pieces) instead?

If Howard is traded to the Lakers Ainge will target Deron Williams, and the Nets would agree to take Rondo.

We become contenders with Deron this season.

I'm unconvinced that will really be an option.  Even if the Nets are willing to trade Deron, don't you think they'd prefer a package of, say, Kyle Lowry, picks, and a couple of Houston's young players?

Houston aren't serious about making the playoffs even, I don't think they'd pull something like that off,especially if they knew he was going to Dallas.

Ainge is more of a gambler though.


EDIT: scratch that, they're 6th seed atm lol, anyway I think we have a good shot at getting Deron if he was available.

[birdbrady]

You did say:

Regarding the trade itself, perhaps the Celtics can get in on it?

Since Orlando has expressed a desire to remain competitive, maybe the Celtics could send either Pierce or Ray to Orlando and get Derrick Williams (and a couple other pieces) instead?

Even then, like I said, Ray just holds such little value.  Orlando or other teams would have to find another 10M in salary to match up to have Ray in the deal.  Just Pierce is more realistic, that's a max salary in itself.  Pierce and Ray combined is 25M.  Maybe Ray is shipped elsewhere in a seperate deal as we get closer to the deadline because someone might want him for the stretch run, but I doubt it.  Someone would have gotten him already by now.

[Donoghus]

Why would Minnesota do this deal?  They're gonna move Williams not even halfway through his rookie year?

For a soon to be 32 year old Pau Gasol?  On a team that is clearly more slanted towards youth movement?  I guess the Rubio/Gasol dynamic would sell tickets but....

I'm not sure if Williams is ever gonna pan out (grown a bit cold on him) but I don't see the organization already moving a kid who was drafted 2nd overall not even a year ago.

[PosImpos]

You did say:

Regarding the trade itself, perhaps the Celtics can get in on it?

Since Orlando has expressed a desire to remain competitive, maybe the Celtics could send either Pierce or Ray to Orlando and get Derrick Williams (and a couple other pieces) instead?

Even then, like I said, Ray just holds such little value.  Orlando or other teams would have to find another 10M in salary to match up to have Ray in the deal.  Just Pierce is more realistic, that's a max salary in itself.  Pierce and Ray combined is 25M.  Maybe Ray is shipped elsewhere in a seperate deal as we get closer to the deadline because someone might want him for the stretch run, but I doubt it.  Someone would have gotten him already by now.

If Ray were sent out alone, I'd expect the Celtics would not get back a piece as valuable as Williams, but they could perhaps get something of value.

Why would Minnesota do this deal?  They're gonna move Williams not even halfway through his rookie year?

For a soon to be 32 year old Pau Gasol?  On a team that is clearly more slanted towards youth movement?  I guess the Rubio/Gasol dynamic would sell tickets but....

I'm not sure if Williams is ever gonna pan out (grown a bit cold on him) but I don't see the organization already moving a kid who was drafted 2nd overall not even a year ago.

Well, maybe the idea is that the T-Wolves are .500 right now.  If they added Gasol they could maybe be a pretty good team for the next 3-4 years that Gasol is still playing at a high level.  Gasol may be 32, but skilled 7 footers like Pau don't tend to decline quickly.  It's not like they really have to worry about protecting cap space; they're not going to be luring any top free agents up to Minnie, in all likelihood.  Also, Williams is probably best suited to play at PF, a position Kevin Love has locked up. 

[birdbrady]

You did say:

Regarding the trade itself, perhaps the Celtics can get in on it?

Since Orlando has expressed a desire to remain competitive, maybe the Celtics could send either Pierce or Ray to Orlando and get Derrick Williams (and a couple other pieces) instead?

Even then, like I said, Ray just holds such little value.  Orlando or other teams would have to find another 10M in salary to match up to have Ray in the deal.  Just Pierce is more realistic, that's a max salary in itself.  Pierce and Ray combined is 25M.  Maybe Ray is shipped elsewhere in a seperate deal as we get closer to the deadline because someone might want him for the stretch run, but I doubt it.  Someone would have gotten him already by now.

If Ray were sent out alone, I'd expect the Celtics would not get back a piece as valuable as Williams, but they could perhaps get something of value.

Like what??

How many times does it have to be repeated? The best NBA insider in the business, Woj, was on WEEI two weeks ago and flat out said the Celtics can't get a first for Ray.

If you can't fetch a first = little to no value.  Simmons (moronically) suggested a non-prospect (Bledsoe), and I'm sure teams are offering 2nd rounders.  But 2nds are not even worth it.  Because if there's a player you want in the 2nd round, all you have to do is send a few bucks to a team on draft night (like we did with Bill Walker in '09.)  Especially when teams would probably have to offer a few players for Ray, and we don't have enough roster spots as is (which means we'd have to cut a few players, and/or buy some out and give them money up front...again, all for a 2nd rounder, which isn't worth doing that.)

[Moranis]

Why would Minnesota do this deal?  They're gonna move Williams not even halfway through his rookie year?

For a soon to be 32 year old Pau Gasol?  On a team that is clearly more slanted towards youth movement?  I guess the Rubio/Gasol dynamic would sell tickets but....

I'm not sure if Williams is ever gonna pan out (grown a bit cold on him) but I don't see the organization already moving a kid who was drafted 2nd overall not even a year ago.

Minnesota hasn't been to the playoffs in like 8 years.  They need to make sure they capitalize.  Williams and Johnson are pretty similar players, Beasley is expiring, and the Wolves have been fine without Barea and thus he is expendable.  If you move essentially role players for an All Star big man, you have to do it.  Frankly, I think they would be one of the better teams in the West with a rotation of Gasol, Love, Pekovic, Johnson, Ridnour, Rubio, Webster, Randolph, and Ellington and they would still have Darko and Tolliver for extra bodies.  

[letsgoblue86]

Why the heck would the Twolves do this?

[PosImpos]

You did say:

Regarding the trade itself, perhaps the Celtics can get in on it?

Since Orlando has expressed a desire to remain competitive, maybe the Celtics could send either Pierce or Ray to Orlando and get Derrick Williams (and a couple other pieces) instead?

Even then, like I said, Ray just holds such little value.  Orlando or other teams would have to find another 10M in salary to match up to have Ray in the deal.  Just Pierce is more realistic, that's a max salary in itself.  Pierce and Ray combined is 25M.  Maybe Ray is shipped elsewhere in a seperate deal as we get closer to the deadline because someone might want him for the stretch run, but I doubt it.  Someone would have gotten him already by now.

If Ray were sent out alone, I'd expect the Celtics would not get back a piece as valuable as Williams, but they could perhaps get something of value.

Like what??

How many times does it have to be repeated? The best NBA insider in the business, Woj, was on WEEI two weeks ago and flat out said the Celtics can't get a first for Ray.

If you can't fetch a first = little to no value.  Simmons (moronically) suggested a non-prospect (Bledsoe), and I'm sure teams are offering 2nd rounders.  But 2nds are not even worth it.  Because if there's a player you want in the 2nd round, all you have to do is send a few bucks to a team on draft night (like we did with Bill Walker in '09.)  Especially when teams would probably have to offer a few players for Ray, and we don't have enough roster spots as is (which means we'd have to cut a few players, and/or buy some out and give them money up front...again, all for a 2nd rounder, which isn't worth doing that.)

Well, for example -- if Minnesota is trading for Gasol, that mean's they're in "win-now" mode.  In that scenario, they'd have interest in a savvy veteran who can knock down shots like Ray.  They'd also be much more willing to part with a future 1st (e.g. 2013), which would likely be in the 20s.  

Send Ray to Minnesota, get back a couple of players like Webster (one year left on his deal) and Randolph (expiring, perhaps worth re-signing) plus a 2013 or 2014 1st round pick.

Just because Woj said on WEEI that no teams have shown an interest in trading a 1st for Ray right now doesn't mean that situation can't change.  I think in the context of this multi-team deal, the T-Wolves would be willing.

[birdbrady]

Well, for example -- if Minnesota is trading for Gasol, that mean's they're in "win-now" mode.  In that scenario, they'd have interest in a savvy veteran who can knock down shots like Ray.  They'd also be much more willing to part with a future 1st (e.g. 2013), which would likely be in the 20s.  

Send Ray to Minnesota, get back a couple of players like Webster (one year left on his deal) and Randolph (expiring, perhaps worth re-signing) plus a 2013 or 2014 1st round pick.

This sure is a far cry from a couple posts ago when you said the Celtics should send 'either Pierce or Ray to Orlando' and get back someone who was the  #2 pick in the draft this year.  Either way, trading Ray for anything considerable is not even on the table.  As I have stated countless times - that could change as we get closer to the deadline and a team sees Ray as someone who is necessary to a run.  But again, that's only for a paltry late first. As of now, he is not even worth *that*

Just because Woj said on WEEI that no teams have shown an interest in trading a 1st for Ray right now doesn't mean that situation can't change.

Yea I've said that about five different times now I think.

I think in the context of this multi-team deal, the T-Wolves would be willing.

So now it's the Wolves who you think would take Ray all of a sudden? Three posts ago it was Ray to Orlando for Derrick Williams.

Ray to anywhere for a 1st would be nice.  If we get it, great.  If not, oh well.  Don't cut yourself over it.  Every team in the league knows Ray can be had, and if someone wants him, all they have to do is call Danny.

[Who]

Regarding the trade itself, perhaps the Celtics can get in on it?

Since Orlando has expressed a desire to remain competitive, maybe the Celtics could send either Pierce or Ray to Orlando and get Derrick Williams (and a couple other pieces) instead?

If Howard is traded to the Lakers Ainge will target Deron Williams, and the Nets would agree to take Rondo.

We become contenders with Deron this season.

Not sure a Rondo to Deron upgrade makes the Celtics a contender this season. I think they'd need another big piece to make that happen.

They'd almost definitely lose Deron in the off-season too ... since Dwight will have found a new home and the Celtics will be unlikely to make enough roster improvements otherwise to convince Deron to stay long term.