Latest Simmon's Article on Celts

[Fafnir]

Please, Lord, let the Celtics take Chalmers or Douglas-Roberts to finish off the luckiest year in Celtics history. Please.[/i]

In fairness to Simmons, the C's would have been a lot better off these past couple of years if they had taken Chalmers (nailing down backup PG spot) or even CDR (better backup wing than Marquis, and less injury prone).

CDR isn't a rotation quality wing player though, he was right on Chalmers being a good pick in that spot. But Mario Chalmers doesn't really change anything that's happened in the meantime in my opinion.

[BostonArizona]

You think Odom/Marion improves this team over KG?

I think so.

Lose some defense but gain athleticism and depth to help Rondo out.

Then again, last time we traded one of our starting 5 the whole teams collapsed so it definitely could backfire again..

[Fafnir]

You think Odom/Marion improves this team over KG?

I think so.

Lose some defense but gain athleticism and depth to help Rondo out.

Then again, last time we traded one of our starting 5 the whole teams collapsed so it definitely could backfire again..

I question whether or not you've seen how terrible Odom has been this year.

Also for a team that desparately needs rim protection and rebounding to win the trade is a net negative in both areas. Marion would be a huge upgrade over Piertrus on the wing as a defender/rebounder but the downgrade from KG to Odom is a much bigger one.

Your starting PF/C (lets just admit KG is our best C and best PF) is more important than your wing defender/glue guy.

[PosImpos]

Please, Lord, let the Celtics take Chalmers or Douglas-Roberts to finish off the luckiest year in Celtics history. Please.[/i]

In fairness to Simmons, the C's would have been a lot better off these past couple of years if they had taken Chalmers (nailing down backup PG spot) or even CDR (better backup wing than Marquis, and less injury prone).

CDR isn't a rotation quality wing player though, he was right on Chalmers being a good pick in that spot. But Mario Chalmers doesn't really change anything that's happened in the meantime in my opinion.

Probably doesn't win us a championship or anything, no, but Danny has made a lot of moves over the past few seasons trying to shore up that backup PG spot (and it's still kind of a revolving door).

CDR isn't great but he's better than Marquis (injuries considered), Walker, Sasha, Michael Finley, Scal, etc.

[birdbrady]

Do some posters need to be reminded that Chris Douglas Roberts is out of the league after 3 years?

Good God.

[PosImpos]

Do some posters need to be reminded that Chris Douglas Roberts is out of the league after 3 years?

Good God.

He's playing overseas, like plenty of borderline rotation players are as a result of the lockout.

I don't think it's a stretch to say we'd have been a lot better off with CDR than with Scal / Finley / always-injured-Marquis, etc, let alone Giddens.

[Moranis]

You think Odom/Marion improves this team over KG?

I think so.

Lose some defense but gain athleticism and depth to help Rondo out.

Then again, last time we traded one of our starting 5 the whole teams collapsed so it definitely could backfire again..

I question whether or not you've seen how terrible Odom has been this year.

Also for a team that desparately needs rim protection and rebounding to win the trade is a net negative in both areas. Marion would be a huge upgrade over Piertrus on the wing as a defender/rebounder but the downgrade from KG to Odom is a much bigger one.

Your starting PF/C (lets just admit KG is our best C and best PF) is more important than your wing defender/glue guy.

Odom hasn't shot well all year, but he is playing good defense, passing well, and rebounding fairly well also.  He has also played a bit better of late.  

If Dallas through in a first round pick (and I know it wouldn't be this year), I'd probably make that trade even though it takes away a lot of cap space next summer.

[Kwhit10]

You think Odom/Marion improves this team over KG?

I think so.

Lose some defense but gain athleticism and depth to help Rondo out.

Then again, last time we traded one of our starting 5 the whole teams collapsed so it definitely could backfire again..

I question whether or not you've seen how terrible Odom has been this year.

Also for a team that desparately needs rim protection and rebounding to win the trade is a net negative in both areas. Marion would be a huge upgrade over Piertrus on the wing as a defender/rebounder but the downgrade from KG to Odom is a much bigger one.

Your starting PF/C (lets just admit KG is our best C and best PF) is more important than your wing defender/glue guy.

KG is still one of the best defensive players in the league.  His defensive rating is current;y #8 in the league.

[Fafnir]

You think Odom/Marion improves this team over KG?

I think so.

Lose some defense but gain athleticism and depth to help Rondo out.

Then again, last time we traded one of our starting 5 the whole teams collapsed so it definitely could backfire again..

I question whether or not you've seen how terrible Odom has been this year.

Also for a team that desparately needs rim protection and rebounding to win the trade is a net negative in both areas. Marion would be a huge upgrade over Piertrus on the wing as a defender/rebounder but the downgrade from KG to Odom is a much bigger one.

Your starting PF/C (lets just admit KG is our best C and best PF) is more important than your wing defender/glue guy.

Odom hasn't shot well all year, but he is playing good defense, passing well, and rebounding fairly well also.  He has also played a bit better of late.  

Even considering he's playing a third or so of his minutes at SF his rebounding is way down this year, and he's been awful on the offensive end. And he is a good defender, but he's not of KG's caliber and also not the type of defender who can anchor a unit.

[birdbrady]

Do some posters need to be reminded that Chris Douglas Roberts is out of the league after 3 years?

Good God.

He's playing overseas, like plenty of borderline rotation players are as a result of the lockout.

I don't think it's a stretch to say we'd have been a lot better off with CDR than with Scal / Finley / always-injured-Marquis, etc, let alone Giddens.

He signed a two-year, that's why he's stuck over there.  Everyone else is back.

He is not a good player at all.  "A lot better off"

Ainge has missed one first rounder in his 8 years here (Giddens.)  The other semi-miss was a guy he ended up trading away, and was valued high enough at the time that a team like Phoenix gave a full MLE deal too (Banks.)

Criticizing Ainge over his drafts is pure idiocy, which is fitting because that's a good word to describe Bill Simmons.  The best part is when he wants to blow the Celtics cap space so we could be a 'dangerous 6th seed.'  Ainge is not interested in that.  Simmons is, some posters here are, but Ainge isn't.

(not only that, the team would not be a 'dangerous 6 seed' working in a whole new team with a  month go to before the playoffs.)

[ejk3489]

Presti: "Look at your new team — Gasol, Brandon Bass, Marion, Pierce and Mo Williams as starters, with Odom, Wilcox, Pietrus and Bradley as your first four subs. If Gasol and Odom get going, that's a dangerous 6-seed in the East, right?"

This is possibly one of the worst ideas I've heard yet. Well done, Simmons.

[birdbrady]

Simmons could just as easily write a column on Mitch Kupchak, a top 5 GM himself and absolutely shred him for brutal signings like Luke Walton, Ron Artest, and Steve Blake.  Those three guys are all signed through this year and next, and in Blake's case the year after that as well.  The three of them are combined taking up a max contract slot.  The Artest signing was particularly bad because he let Ariza go, who was younger, better and a far better fit.  Kupchak also has hit like one first round pick in the last 7-8 years, (Jordan Farmar.)  He also re-signed Derek Fisher to a not one, not two, but three year deal.  And Fisher is absolutely baked.

But the moves Kupchak did make? Hold onto Kobe despite trade demands.  Turn down deals for Andrew  Bynum that had the Lakers getting back either Jason Kidd or Jermaine O'Neal...much to Kobe's dismay.  Trade for Pau.  All that matters.

Again, moves like Simmons' Clippers made - trading the #1 pick in the draft for Mo Williams - are FAR more crippling.  Repeat, the #1 pick in the draft for Mo Williams.  Yet you don't hear a peep from that clown.

[quidinqui33]

Simmons in that article: DeAndre Jordan: "I was supposed to be a lottery pick and fell 20 spots. If anyone was going to take a flier on me, it should have been Boston. I could have learned from KG and become another Perkins. When Danny passed me up for a selfish 24-year-old gunner who had just spent six years in college and wouldn't have a relevant NBA moment, it was something of a wake-up call. Four years later, I'm starting on a contender, I'm third in the league in blocks, and I'm making $10 million a year. Danny, thanks for passing on me even though it was the easiest sleeper pick in the world!"

Such an obvious pick, Bill.  Here's what you said in your 2008 running draft diary: By the way, I'm torn on DeAndre Jordan for the Celtics at No. 30 -- a lottery talent with no heart at all, but someone who might be redeemed by going to Kevin Garnett College and getting a double major in woofing and chest-pounding. He's like the gift nobody wants to end up with in a $25 Yankee Christmas swap: A potential keeper until you realize you also have to pay for $20 worth of batteries to make the gift work, so you're better off just passing it to someone else. Did that even make sense? I feel like that made sense. I need to wrap this up soon.

7:20: Detroit spruces up its D-League team with D.J. White at No. 29. He could end up being the Mel Daniels of the D-League before everything's said and done. Please, Lord, let the Celtics take Chalmers or Douglas-Roberts to finish off the luckiest year in Celtics history. Please.

Major burn...you need to definitely post this in his comments or send this to him.  This is what frustrates me about Simmons.  He loves to view everything with the having hindsight 20/20 knowledge in hand, and he loves to propose all these hypothetical trades as of they are sure fire things.  Doesn't he realize that Danny is probably the one GM that probably does work through every possible trade scenario!?!

Anyway...you definitely need to send this to simmons!

[Employee8]

Simmons could just as easily write a column on Mitch Kupchak, a top 5 GM himself and absolutely shred him for brutal signings like Luke Walton, Ron Artest, and Steve Blake.  Those three guys are all signed through this year and next, and in Blake's case the year after that as well.  The three of them are combined taking up a max contract slot.  The Artest signing was particularly bad because he let Ariza go, who was younger, better and a far better fit.  Kupchak also has hit like one first round pick in the last 7-8 years, (Jordan Farmar.)  He also re-signed Derek Fisher to a not one, not two, but three year deal.  And Fisher is absolutely baked.

But the moves Kupchak did make? Hold onto Kobe despite trade demands.  Turn down deals for Andrew  Bynum that had the Lakers getting back either Jason Kidd or Jermaine O'Neal...much to Kobe's dismay.  Trade for Pau.  All that matters.

Again, moves like Simmons' Clippers made - trading the #1 pick in the draft for Mo Williams - are FAR more crippling.  Repeat, the #1 pick in the draft for Mo Williams.  Yet you don't hear a peep from that clown.

TP.  You've been churning out quality posts lately.  Keep it up.

[goCeltics]

i thought the article was illogical

his hero sam presti build his franchise by having 3 top five picks and not trading for ageing talent (btw dannny won a title and reached a game 7 without one top 5 pick) ,

now how does he want ainge to do to redeem himself?

trade for ageing talent!? ha!

btw his hero sam presti also passed on jordon (he picked DJ White, one pick ahead of ainge, and so did every other franchise)

Btw don't know how presti is going to be able to keep either ibaka or harden is a small market after paying perk $7 mill a year.