March 1st - blow it up

[Tai]

Definitely think something's coming, though.

[BASS_THUMPER]

i jus talked to Danny A.....

he said..

"aint nuthin jumpin off till summer"

he said it just like that

[greenlion]

i can't imagine folks are willing to forego a possible "playoff bound team" for future draft picks, which is like in lottery's parlance, is a shot at the moon..you can't tank talent if it's there (unfortunately on a rut for now) unless you really want to raise an integrity issue on the celtics' organization..please enough with your "loser's" theory..

[byennie]

On the draft pick, we're currently 2.5 games from the #8 pick.
Anthony Davis is going #1, and IMO someone is going to take Drummond top 3.
That means that the highest we would have to go for Barnes or Gilchrist is #4. There are a handful of teams that would take Robinson or Sullinger at #4. So I think realistically we could be talking about a trade like:

#5 (Gilchrist)
for
#8 (Sullinger, Beal or Lamb) + 1st rounder

How unrealistic is that, really? And even if we stayed at #8, look at the types of players around that point in this draft. I'd go so far as to say this draft is almost exactly 8 players deep.

Also if we tank to #8, we do have an 8% chance of getting a top 3 pick. Nothing to count on, but doesn't hurt.

[EvilEmpire]

Bottom 10 teams have no reason to take on the big 3 contracts if it doesn't get them into the playoffs, which it won't so its not going to happen.

We are currently 8th seed in the east which equals last team to make the playoffs record wise which also equal 15th pick in the draft. So with only half a season left there is no way to get a 6-8 pick. We will be lucky if another one of the terrible teams in the east can pass us for the 8th seed. C'mon Cleveland or Detroit or Milwaukee. If we were the 9th seed right now we would be tied with Utah for the 10th or 11th pick but again someone has to play good enough to pass us. Cleveland has not AV for another month, Milwaukee is in the same boat with Bogut, and Detroit has Charlie Villanueva who has not played all year for some reason.

The teams that are bad are there for a reason, just because we want to flip the switch an, "Suck for Whoever", does not make it easy to do.

With the Celtics first pick I would be happy with a Perry Jones or Meyers Leonard or John Hanson. With the 2nd first round pick (which should be around 19-22 pick) I would be happy with Terrance Jones or Fab Melo or Austin Rivers (would be surprised if he comes out or is around this low) or a James McAdoo (same as Rivers) or Quincy Miller.

2012-2013 Boston Celtic needs - SG, PF, and C (all 3 starters are expected to not return) that being said I would still draft best available

FA available after this season http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents are slim pickins

[byennie]

So you're saying Pierce, Allen and Garnett combined can't get us a 1st rounder?

This makes no sense, because you can't combine the three. The only question is whether any of the three can net us a 1st rounder while not forcing to take any salary back that is longer than one year.

C'mon, you know I wasn't literally trying to trade them together.

Here are just a few that would improve our portfolio of picks, while giving a boost to an aspiring playoff team this year:

Ray Allen to LAC for Randy Foye, Ryan Gomes, future 1st rounder

Kevin Garnett + Clippers pick to CLE for Antawn Jamison + CLE pick

Bass & Wilcox to ORL for Duhon and a 1st rounder

Bass & Wilcox to DEN for a 1st rounder (they have trade exceptions)

We can also trade a future 1st (which should have some value if we're known to be rebuilding)

[LooseCannon]

Bottom 10 teams have no reason to take on the big 3 contracts if it doesn't get them into the playoffs, which it won't so its not going to happen.

It would make sense for a team like the Nets to do a deal such as Ray Allen and Greg Stiemsma for Mehmet Okur, DeShawn Stevenson, and a second-round pick because it saves them money.  Garnett's contract is way too big and there aren't too many teams out there with the right-sized expiring contracts to do a swap of expiring deals involving Allen where the Celtics take on more money for the price of a draft pick, if Ainge is intent on not taking on future salary commitments.

If you want to trade Pierce, I'd wait until the off-season when a team that made a run at Dwight Howard and failed wants to do a deal so it has something to show for the effort.

[chambers]

sounds so easy doesn't it.

I don't like the idea of giving up KG and Ray for more late first rounders because teams with decent picks don't want to give up a top 10 pick for 3 or 4 late first rounders.

You might get something for Pierce and our first round picks combined.

People seem to forget the very real possibility of Ray and KG signing on to our bench for a minimum next season, which would be excellent, but won't happen if we trade them for crumbs.
Having these guys around to develop our youngsters for a year or two would be much more valuable in my opinion than getting another 25-30th pick.

[LooseCannon]

People seem to forget the very real possibility of Ray and KG signing on to our bench for a minimum next season, which would be excellent, but won't happen if we trade them for crumbs.

They're free agents, so it's not impossible.

[PosImpos]

People seem to forget the very real possibility of Ray and KG signing on to our bench for a minimum next season, which would be excellent, but won't happen if we trade them for crumbs.
Having these guys around to develop our youngsters for a year or two would be much more valuable in my opinion than getting another 25-30th pick.

Well, I can only speak for myself, but I've definitely not "forgotten" that possibility.  I just don't really see the point.  Could you explain to me what good Ray and KG would do for a rebuilding team, other than serving as mentors for young players?  Keep in mind that if Ray and KG come back, they'll likely expect to each play at least 20 minutes per game, if not start. 

Those are minutes that could go to young players who have a future with the team.  We can sign other veterans to the minimum who won't expect to play to serve in that mentoring capacity (e.g. Keyon Dooling).

I think if KG and Ray continue their careers after this season, it makes the most sense for them to try to go out on a high note playing with a contender -- elsewhere.

[lightspeed5]

i rather keep pierce than become the wizards

[greenlion]

in all fairness to the team, we don't suck as much as people think we are..its the lack of EFFORT that's sucking this team ..talents are surely present, but not really used to the fullest..

[byennie]

I realize this will never happen, but I actually think one of the most logical moves would be to waive both Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett (gasp!).

Maybe it's dishonorable or whatever, but I don't see us a) winning a playoff series this year or b) bringing either player back next year.

If we just release them, they both get the chance to sign on with any team for the minimum, not lose any money, and chase a championship THIS YEAR.

Would it be "illegal" if we let Garnett go, and then had a wink wink deal with the team that signed him to make a 2nd favorable trade, say Bass for a 1st rounder?

[PosImpos]

I realize this will never happen, but I actually think one of the most logical moves would be to waive both Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett (gasp!).

Maybe it's dishonorable or whatever, but I don't see us a) winning a playoff series this year or b) bringing either player back next year.

If we just release them, they both get the chance to sign on with any team for the minimum, not lose any money, and chase a championship THIS YEAR.

Would it be "illegal" if we let Garnett go, and then had a wink wink deal with the team that signed him to make a 2nd favorable trade, say Bass for a 1st rounder?

The fans would mutiny if the team did that.

[LooseCannon]

I realize this will never happen, but I actually think one of the most logical moves would be to waive both Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett (gasp!).

Yeah, someone should start a thread about that idea.