March 1st - blow it up

[byennie]

Sad to say it, but just letting everyone expire could leave us with the 15th pick in the draft. Blow it up now, and we're looking at more like #7 or #8. That's a world of difference, especially if we can package our picks and get into the top 5 or 6. We would have a ping-pong chance of top 3 as well.

Collectively if you traded the entire Big 3 and netted a 1st round pick, then we have $40M in cap room, 3 picks (at least 1 in the mid lottery), Rondo, Bradley and JJ.

Let's say you turn our 2 highest picks into Barnes or Gilchrist, around #6. Sign Eric Gordon ($15M), Jeff Green ($5M) and Dwight Howard ($17M).

Rondo / late 1st rounder
Gordon / Bradley
Barnes / Green
JJJ / MLE veteran
Howard

I find it almost impossible to come up with scenarios that good if we just stand pat and wait. Our running game would be unbelievable with Gordon, Barnes, Green, JJJ, Howard... we've got shooters, defense, rebounding...

[mqtcelticsfan]

Let's say you turn our 2 highest picks into Barnes or Gilchrist, around #6. Sign Eric Gordon ($15M), Jeff Green ($5M) and Dwight Howard ($17M).


I find it almost impossible to come up with scenarios that good if we just stand pat and wait. Our running game would be unbelievable with Gordon, Barnes, Green, JJJ, Howard... we've got shooters, defense, rebounding...

I find it almost impossible for the Celtics to get a scenario anywhere near that good even if they do blow it up. That's an absurdly unrealistic rebuilding plan. There's no chance whatsoever that Boston signs Gordon and Howard this off-season, let alone do that, keep Rondo and get Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist. I'd say the only reasonable thing in the list of moves you suggest is keeping Rondo. Everything else is unlikely at best.

[slamtheking]

Let's say you turn our 2 highest picks into Barnes or Gilchrist, around #6. Sign Eric Gordon ($15M), Jeff Green ($5M) and Dwight Howard ($17M).


I find it almost impossible to come up with scenarios that good if we just stand pat and wait. Our running game would be unbelievable with Gordon, Barnes, Green, JJJ, Howard... we've got shooters, defense, rebounding...

I find it almost impossible for the Celtics to get a scenario anywhere near that good even if they do blow it up. That's an absurdly unrealistic rebuilding plan. There's no chance whatsoever that Boston signs Gordon and Howard this off-season, let alone do that, keep Rondo and get Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist. I'd say the only reasonable thing in the list of moves you suggest is keeping Rondo. Everything else is unlikely at best.

beat me to it.

I love these grandiose plans that are so simple to put together because all the other GMs want our crap without sending us bad contracts against our cap AND are willing throw us 1st round picks in a loaded draft.  OMG, I bet those other GMs are just calling Danny nonstop to get these old farts for their team.  Danny has to be incompetent not to just make those deals, get those picks and sign those FA's!! 

[byennie]

Let's say you turn our 2 highest picks into Barnes or Gilchrist, around #6. Sign Eric Gordon ($15M), Jeff Green ($5M) and Dwight Howard ($17M).


I find it almost impossible to come up with scenarios that good if we just stand pat and wait. Our running game would be unbelievable with Gordon, Barnes, Green, JJJ, Howard... we've got shooters, defense, rebounding...

I find it almost impossible for the Celtics to get a scenario anywhere near that good even if they do blow it up. That's an absurdly unrealistic rebuilding plan. There's no chance whatsoever that Boston signs Gordon and Howard this off-season, let alone do that, keep Rondo and get Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist. I'd say the only reasonable thing in the list of moves you suggest is keeping Rondo. Everything else is unlikely at best.

Obviously any one scenario is unlikely, but I don't see any part of it that's unreasonable.

On Barnes / Gilchrist:

These guys are consistently in the 4-6 range of most mocks. If our own pick is 7 or 8 (check the standings, it wouldn't take a big tank job to get there), we'd have to move up 1-3 spots, and have at least one 1st rounder to pay for it. Seems pretty realistic to me.

On Gordon + Howard:

Strongest rumors right now are Deron Williams and Howard to Dallas to make a Big 3 with Nowitzki. I think Rondo / Gordon / Barnes / Green / Bradley / JJJ is similarly enticing to Williams / Nowitzki, especially as Dallas will have nothing else on their roster, like Miami last year. Rondo + Gordon would be better than Williams + filler in the backcourt, and a young Barnes + JJJ may soon surpass an even older Dirk + filler.

Yes, it's a lot to string together, but I don't see how any particular part is unrealistic. The drafting is pretty straighforward if we tank. The free agents a big gamble, but there are only going to be 1 or 2 other teams with that much cap room, and we would likely have the MOST cap room of anyone on top of Rondo + Barnes + Bradley + JJJ. We'd have the most young talent AND the most money.

[byennie]

Let's say you turn our 2 highest picks into Barnes or Gilchrist, around #6. Sign Eric Gordon ($15M), Jeff Green ($5M) and Dwight Howard ($17M).


I find it almost impossible to come up with scenarios that good if we just stand pat and wait. Our running game would be unbelievable with Gordon, Barnes, Green, JJJ, Howard... we've got shooters, defense, rebounding...

I find it almost impossible for the Celtics to get a scenario anywhere near that good even if they do blow it up. That's an absurdly unrealistic rebuilding plan. There's no chance whatsoever that Boston signs Gordon and Howard this off-season, let alone do that, keep Rondo and get Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist. I'd say the only reasonable thing in the list of moves you suggest is keeping Rondo. Everything else is unlikely at best.

beat me to it.

I love these grandiose plans that are so simple to put together because all the other GMs want our crap without sending us bad contracts against our cap AND are willing throw us 1st round picks in a loaded draft.  OMG, I bet those other GMs are just calling Danny nonstop to get these old farts for their team.  Danny has to be incompetent not to just make those deals, get those picks and sign those FA's!! 

So you're saying Pierce, Allen and Garnett combined can't get us a 1st rounder?

And also that #8 + 2 1st rounders can't get us up to #5 or #6? Because that's what I'm proposing in my grandiose plan.

The free agents are the huge gamble, unless you think the above two things are crazy.

[byennie]

Let's say you turn our 2 highest picks into Barnes or Gilchrist, around #6. Sign Eric Gordon ($15M), Jeff Green ($5M) and Dwight Howard ($17M).


I find it almost impossible to come up with scenarios that good if we just stand pat and wait. Our running game would be unbelievable with Gordon, Barnes, Green, JJJ, Howard... we've got shooters, defense, rebounding...

I find it almost impossible for the Celtics to get a scenario anywhere near that good even if they do blow it up. That's an absurdly unrealistic rebuilding plan. There's no chance whatsoever that Boston signs Gordon and Howard this off-season, let alone do that, keep Rondo and get Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist. I'd say the only reasonable thing in the list of moves you suggest is keeping Rondo. Everything else is unlikely at best.

beat me to it.

I love these grandiose plans that are so simple to put together because all the other GMs want our crap without sending us bad contracts against our cap AND are willing throw us 1st round picks in a loaded draft.  OMG, I bet those other GMs are just calling Danny nonstop to get these old farts for their team.  Danny has to be incompetent not to just make those deals, get those picks and sign those FA's!! 

BTW I don't think I'm smarter than Danny about this or that it's so easy, I just think there is hope.

[byennie]

Distilling my own thoughts here...

If we have, Rondo + Barnes + $40M, that's two young stars and the money to sign two max players.

What other team can possibly have that next year?

[jpd985]

Distilling my own thoughts here...

If we have, Rondo + Barnes + $40M, that's two young stars and the money to sign two max players.

What other team can possibly have that next year?

I agree, we just need to ride it out and make good use of our upcoming cap space and draft picks. Waiting is the hardest part.

[mqtcelticsfan]

On Barnes / Gilchrist:

These guys are consistently in the 4-6 range of most mocks. If our own pick is 7 or 8 (check the standings, it wouldn't take a big tank job to get there), we'd have to move up 1-3 spots, and have at least one 1st rounder to pay for it. Seems pretty realistic to me.

I disagree. First, it would take a pretty serious tank job to overtake the following teams: Charlotte, New Orleans, Toronto, Detroit, New Jersey, Washington, Sacramento, Golden State. In addition to those teams, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Phoenix, Utah and Minnesota are going to be about as bad as Boston. The odds of getting a top 8 pick are incredibly low.

Further, top 5 picks are way more valuable than picks in the 8-12 range, and teams with a shot at Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist aren't going to trade down for an extra pick.

On Gordon + Howard:

Strongest rumors right now are Deron Williams and Howard to Dallas to make a Big 3 with Nowitzki. I think Rondo / Gordon / Barnes / Green / Bradley / JJJ is similarly enticing to Williams / Nowitzki, especially as Dallas will have nothing else on their roster, like Miami last year. Rondo + Gordon would be better than Williams + filler in the backcourt, and a young Barnes + JJJ may soon surpass an even older Dirk + filler.

Sure, Gordon and Rondo would be enticing to Howard. However, the Celtics are just about as likely to get Gordon as I am to win the lottery. The Hornets aren't letting him go anywhere this year. Williams and filler would be better than Rondo and filler.

[mqtcelticsfan]

So you're saying Pierce, Allen and Garnett combined can't get us a 1st rounder?

This makes no sense, because you can't combine the three. The only question is whether any of the three can net us a 1st rounder while not forcing to take any salary back that is longer than one year.

[tyrone biggums]

Let's say you turn our 2 highest picks into Barnes or Gilchrist, around #6. Sign Eric Gordon ($15M), Jeff Green ($5M) and Dwight Howard ($17M).


I find it almost impossible to come up with scenarios that good if we just stand pat and wait. Our running game would be unbelievable with Gordon, Barnes, Green, JJJ, Howard... we've got shooters, defense, rebounding...

I find it almost impossible for the Celtics to get a scenario anywhere near that good even if they do blow it up. That's an absurdly unrealistic rebuilding plan. There's no chance whatsoever that Boston signs Gordon and Howard this off-season, let alone do that, keep Rondo and get Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist. I'd say the only reasonable thing in the list of moves you suggest is keeping Rondo. Everything else is unlikely at best.

beat me to it.

I love these grandiose plans that are so simple to put together because all the other GMs want our crap without sending us bad contracts against our cap AND are willing throw us 1st round picks in a loaded draft.  OMG, I bet those other GMs are just calling Danny nonstop to get these old farts for their team.  Danny has to be incompetent not to just make those deals, get those picks and sign those FA's!! 

So you're saying Pierce, Allen and Garnett combined can't get us a 1st rounder?

And also that #8 + 2 1st rounders can't get us up to #5 or #6? Because that's what I'm proposing in my grandiose plan.

The free agents are the huge gamble, unless you think the above two things are crazy.

Oh those guys can get us a 1st rounder...probably each one could...if we were willing to take on a horrid contract like Rashard Lewis in return. Otherwise that isn't happening, and we can't just amnesty a guy like Lewis due to the fact he wasn't a Celtic before the lockout.

[letsgoblue86]

We do not even have a shot at Barnes.  How do you expect us to get a top 3 pick? 

Just not gonna happen.

[green7]

i hope jj moves up to 243

[slamtheking]

Let's say you turn our 2 highest picks into Barnes or Gilchrist, around #6. Sign Eric Gordon ($15M), Jeff Green ($5M) and Dwight Howard ($17M).


I find it almost impossible to come up with scenarios that good if we just stand pat and wait. Our running game would be unbelievable with Gordon, Barnes, Green, JJJ, Howard... we've got shooters, defense, rebounding...

I find it almost impossible for the Celtics to get a scenario anywhere near that good even if they do blow it up. That's an absurdly unrealistic rebuilding plan. There's no chance whatsoever that Boston signs Gordon and Howard this off-season, let alone do that, keep Rondo and get Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist. I'd say the only reasonable thing in the list of moves you suggest is keeping Rondo. Everything else is unlikely at best.

beat me to it.

I love these grandiose plans that are so simple to put together because all the other GMs want our crap without sending us bad contracts against our cap AND are willing throw us 1st round picks in a loaded draft.  OMG, I bet those other GMs are just calling Danny nonstop to get these old farts for their team.  Danny has to be incompetent not to just make those deals, get those picks and sign those FA's!!  

So you're saying Pierce, Allen and Garnett combined can't get us a 1st rounder?

And also that #8 + 2 1st rounders can't get us up to #5 or #6? Because that's what I'm proposing in my grandiose plan.

The free agents are the huge gamble, unless you think the above two things are crazy.

yup, those 2 things are crazy when taken in combination.  

seriously, ask yourself this on the 'simplicity' of your idea to trade PP,KG and Ray for a 1st rounder: what else has to come back to the C's to balance out the salaries in order to get that single 1st rounder?  C's would have to take back bad contracts that don't expire this year, thus cutting into the available cap room for next year (and probably longer).  This mean no $ for FA's.  Only PP's deal isn't expiring but any team that would take him and offer a first rounder isn't going to realistically throw us an expiring deal with that pick.

it's not as simple as you make it out to be.  The FA's alone are an extreme longshot.  I don't see Howard coming here, no matter how much $ Danny offers.  Gordon is a longshot as well.  NO made the deal to get him as a building block -- they're not giving him up without throwing lots of $ at him -- more than the C's can offer.

The most likely scenario is that the year plays out with what we have.  Danny renounces KG, JO and Ray to eliminate the cap holds.  I'd like to see him resign Green, Bass, Pietrus and Wilcox for reasonable money.  Bass might ask for too much so he might not be back.  use this years picks on the BPA at the time of the pick.  Use the cap $ to bring in some placeholder players to get them through the year so they still have cap room going into the better FA market in 2013.  If the young players look like something special, great.  if not, I'd expect Danny to try to make deals of young assets/picks for better players like the Ray and KG deals.

[SHAQATTACK]

Don't need no help  , this team is locked in on a self destruct anyway.