why does avery bradley suck so much?

[cman88]

Bradley has one problem, he came out too early.  He hasn't developed emotionally enough to be ready for the NBA.  He is nervous out there, tight.  Defense is just work and athleticism so he is able to do that.  Dribbling, shooting, and passing require you to be loose and confident.

There is a lot to like in Bradley.  I am a fan.  I think the talent is there.

tp

you can see him getting better and better with more playing time..he seems alot more confident in his jumper and its finally starting to fall

[Celtics4ever]

I am a big detractor and even I think he had a decent offensive game last night.

He did not stop Derrick Rose.   Rose had 25 points that game.  He didn't play in the others.  Rondo also played that game.  A few stops does not mean he contained him.   Derrick Rose is an elite PG.

For the record opponents  per 48 against Bradley are averaging 13.1 PER, 17.7 points and 7.5 APG  with 4.2 TO's.   He is simply not as lockdown as some think he is folks.   He is a good defender but above average guards have torched him.  He does better defending SG's.  Please refer to this page for reference.


http://www.82games.com/1112/11BOS2.HTM

[nickagneta]

There is not shame in getting beat up on in your second year by Russell Westbrook. Even then I think he could have given up 4 less free throws if he wasn't a second year player seeing his first extended NBA action on some bail out star calls.

I don't know if he'll ever become a PG, but if he can continue to make a reasonable percentage of jump shots he'll have a place in this league. He's shooting around 60% at the rim and 46% on his long jumpers for the year. Right now its his lack of free throw attempts, poor free throw accuracy and his 3-15 foot shots that he needs to improve.

Yeah, I don't think it's fair to say Westbrook beat up on him.  Bradley contained him very nicely in the half-court.

Westbrook's statline would look a lot worse if it weren't for his extended stretches vs. Dooling (I thought he was supposed to be a defensive specialist!) and a few chintzy calls.  

Westbrook played most of his minutes against Bradley.

I have him with 6 - 17 FG 1-2 3PT 8-9 FTA 4 Ast 1 TO 1 Stl and 21 points against Bradley. Bradley did block Westbrooks shot 3 times but that's still getting beat up. Especially when many of the free throws were drawn of Bradley (two were questionable but they happened)

I loved the effort and it certainly was a good enough job at the PG defensively to allow the C's to win if the bench hadn't completely gone off the rails in the late 1st quarter and early 2nd quarter.

I don't know Faf. Those stats don't appear to be those of a player that got beat up by another.

He held Westbrook, a 47% shooter, to 35%. Bradley, a PG, blocked three shots of Westbrook's. When was the last time Westbrook had three of his shots blocked by an opposing PG?

And, as you admit at least 2 of those FTs were bailout star calls that were hideous and should not have been called. I thought another was pretty clearly not a foul as well.

If the refs gave Bradley even a modicum of respect and didn't call those two shooting fouls on him, Bradley holds the 5th leading scorer in the league to 35% shooting and just 17-18 points while playing about 30 minutes directly against him.

That's pretty dang good in my book given Westbrook is a superstar and Bradley is a backup combo guard.

[Corey]

Bradley has been one of our lone bright spots the past few weeks, and we have a thread about him sucking? Give me a break.

He's already getting national recognition for his perimeter defense, and his offensive game is more developed than anyone expected it to be this season.

He's 21 years old. Most kids his age are still in college. In two years, he's still yet to have a full training camp with the team. He got thrown into the fire this year, and he's been performing very well.

I've been more than pleased with what he's been able to provide this year.

[Roy H.]

I am a big detractor and even I think he had a decent offensive game last night.

He did not stop Derrick Rose.   Rose had 25 points that game.  He didn't play in the others.  Rondo also played that game.  A few stops does not mean he contained him.   Derrick Rose is an elite PG.

For the record opponents  per 48 against Bradley are averaging 13.1 PER, 17.7 points and 7.5 APG  with 4.2 TO's.   He is simply not as lockdown as some think he is folks.   He is a good defender but above average guards have torched him.  He does better defending SG's.  Please refer to this page for reference.


http://www.82games.com/1112/11BOS2.HTM

In terms of points allowed per possession, Bradley ranks 20th in the entire NBA (at any position).  He is #3 in the entire NBA in points allowed per possession in isolation situations.  Overall, opponents have shot 30.2% against him, and 1 in 10 opponents' possessions against Bradley results in a turnover.

He's elite. 

[bostonpatriot]

Bradley's defense is terrific. He does everything well defensively, I see no weaknesses. He defends the ball handler probably better than anyone else in the NBA right now, he gets on their grill, his hands are very active, he gets deflections "outside the man" and is hard to pass against.

If you are a mediocre ball handler, Avery Bradley is your worst match up possible in the NBA. If you are a good ball handler, Avery Bradley is your worst match up possible in the NBA.

It's a shame he isn't a couple of inches longer or a deadly shooter.

[Celtics4ever]

n terms of points allowed per possession, Bradley ranks 20th in the entire NBA (at any position).  He is #3 in the entire NBA in points allowed per possession in isolation situations.  Overall, opponents have shot 30.2% against him, and 1 in 10 opponents' possessions against Bradley results in a turnover.

He's elite.

No he is not and that is blatant homer talk remiscent of Tommy H.

While I will concede that 48 stats are hoky. Westbrook did not shoot 30% last night.  Did he?  Neither did Irving?   He is elite as long as he is not playing the elite!

We don't hear rumors about other teams begging for Bradley do we?   That ought to speak volumes to folks.

[nickagneta]

Bradley's defense is terrific. He does everything well defensively, I see no weaknesses. He defends the ball handler probably better than anyone else in the NBA right now, he gets on their grill, his hands are very active, he gets deflections "outside the man" and is hard to pass against.

If you are a mediocre ball handler, Avery Bradley is your worst match up possible in the NBA. If you are a good ball handler, Avery Bradley is your worst match up possible in the NBA.

It's a shame he isn't a couple of inches longer or a deadly shooter.

Yeah but regarding his shooting, throw out the stats for now and just watch his form. Its terrific. He squares up, releases at the top of his jump, keeps the elbow in and his release point is deadly consistent. He has an excellent follow through.

But with jump shooting you have to feel it not think it and that's why Ray Allen shoots 100s of shots a day, to keep the feeling and not think through the shot. Its all muscle memory that does the work.

I think Bradley has been his own worse enemy shooting the ball worrying about whether he should or shouldn't be shooting, whether he should be passing, whether he should be looking to drive, etc. It gotten too much of his mind into his shot and his shot has suffered.

Bradley is starting to feel the game and gain confidence and I think the shots start to fall because the form is naturally excellent.

[PosImpos]

I am a big detractor and even I think he had a decent offensive game last night.

He did not stop Derrick Rose.   Rose had 25 points that game.  He didn't play in the others.  Rondo also played that game.  A few stops does not mean he contained him.   Derrick Rose is an elite PG.

For the record opponents  per 48 against Bradley are averaging 13.1 PER, 17.7 points and 7.5 APG  with 4.2 TO's.   He is simply not as lockdown as some think he is folks.   He is a good defender but above average guards have torched him.  He does better defending SG's.  Please refer to this page for reference.


http://www.82games.com/1112/11BOS2.HTM

In terms of points allowed per possession, Bradley ranks 20th in the entire NBA (at any position).  He is #3 in the entire NBA in points allowed per possession in isolation situations.  Overall, opponents have shot 30.2% against him, and 1 in 10 opponents' possessions against Bradley results in a turnover.

He's elite. 

He's an elite on-ball defender, anyhow.  Which is really great.  If he can be even a consistently decent offensive player, he'll have a place in the league for a long time.

[nickagneta]

n terms of points allowed per possession, Bradley ranks 20th in the entire NBA (at any position).  He is #3 in the entire NBA in points allowed per possession in isolation situations.  Overall, opponents have shot 30.2% against him, and 1 in 10 opponents' possessions against Bradley results in a turnover.

He's elite.

No he is not and that is blatant homer talk remiscent of Tommy H.

While I will concede that 48 stats are hoky. Westbrook did not shoot 30% last night.  Did he?  Neither did Irving?   He is elite as long as he is not playing the elite!

We don't hear rumors about other teams begging for Bradley do we?   That ought to speak volumes to folks.

Westbrook shot 35% against Bradley...12 points below his season average.

[green7]

There is not shame in getting beat up on in your second year by Russell Westbrook. Even then I think he could have given up 4 less free throws if he wasn't a second year player seeing his first extended NBA action on some bail out star calls.

I don't know if he'll ever become a PG, but if he can continue to make a reasonable percentage of jump shots he'll have a place in this league. He's shooting around 60% at the rim and 46% on his long jumpers for the year. Right now its his lack of free throw attempts, poor free throw accuracy and his 3-15 foot shots that he needs to improve.

Yeah, I don't think it's fair to say Westbrook beat up on him.  Bradley contained him very nicely in the half-court.

Westbrook's statline would look a lot worse if it weren't for his extended stretches vs. Dooling (I thought he was supposed to be a defensive specialist!) and a few chintzy calls.  

Westbrook played most of his minutes against Bradley.

I have him with 6 - 17 FG 1-2 3PT 8-9 FTA 4 Ast 1 TO 1 Stl and 21 points against Bradley. Bradley did block Westbrooks shot 3 times but that's still getting beat up. Especially when many of the free throws were drawn of Bradley (two were questionable but they happened)

I loved the effort and it certainly was a good enough job at the PG defensively to allow the C's to win if the bench hadn't completely gone off the rails in the late 1st quarter and early 2nd quarter.

I don't know Faf. Those stats don't appear to be those of a player that got beat up by another.

He held Westbrook, a 47% shooter, to 35%. Bradley, a PG, blocked three shots of Westbrook's. When was the last time Westbrook had three of his shots blocked by an opposing PG?

And, as you admit at least 2 of those FTs were bailout star calls that were hideous and should not have been called. I thought another was pretty clearly not a foul as well.

If the refs gave Bradley even a modicum of respect and didn't call those two shooting fouls on him, Bradley holds the 5th leading scorer in the league to 35% shooting and just 17-18 points while playing about 30 minutes directly against him.

That's pretty dang good in my book given Westbrook is a superstar and Bradley is a backup combo guard.

only time westbrook played great is when dooling was guarding him

[LooseCannon]

He's an elite on-ball defender, anyhow.  Which is really great.  If he can be even a consistently decent offensive player, he'll have a place in the league for a long time.

I'd be happier if he could be inconsistent on offense but have his average be better than merely decent.

[Tone]

Avery Bradley been solid this season

[Eja117]

I am a big detractor and even I think he had a decent offensive game last night.

He did not stop Derrick Rose.   Rose had 25 points that game.  He didn't play in the others.  Rondo also played that game.  A few stops does not mean he contained him.   Derrick Rose is an elite PG.

For the record opponents  per 48 against Bradley are averaging 13.1 PER, 17.7 points and 7.5 APG  with 4.2 TO's.   He is simply not as lockdown as some think he is folks.   He is a good defender but above average guards have torched him.  He does better defending SG's.  Please refer to this page for reference.


http://www.82games.com/1112/11BOS2.HTM

In terms of points allowed per possession, Bradley ranks 20th in the entire NBA (at any position).  He is #3 in the entire NBA in points allowed per possession in isolation situations.  Overall, opponents have shot 30.2% against him, and 1 in 10 opponents' possessions against Bradley results in a turnover.

He's elite. 

You gotta be able to hit a shot to be elite. Which is why Rondo's not elite

[Evantime34]

I am a big detractor and even I think he had a decent offensive game last night.

He did not stop Derrick Rose.   Rose had 25 points that game.  He didn't play in the others.  Rondo also played that game.  A few stops does not mean he contained him.   Derrick Rose is an elite PG.

For the record opponents  per 48 against Bradley are averaging 13.1 PER, 17.7 points and 7.5 APG  with 4.2 TO's.   He is simply not as lockdown as some think he is folks.   He is a good defender but above average guards have torched him.  He does better defending SG's.  Please refer to this page for reference.


http://www.82games.com/1112/11BOS2.HTM

In terms of points allowed per possession, Bradley ranks 20th in the entire NBA (at any position).  He is #3 in the entire NBA in points allowed per possession in isolation situations.  Overall, opponents have shot 30.2% against him, and 1 in 10 opponents' possessions against Bradley results in a turnover.

He's elite. 

You gotta be able to hit a shot to be elite. Which is why Rondo's not elite

I think he's saying that Bradley is elite defensively, in which case his shooting has no bearing.