D-Will is the key to a successful future

[celtsrp33]

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of bringing Deron Williams in here in a trade for Rondo.  If we can get D-Will, there is a MUCH greater chance that Howard will even think about signing in Boston as a free agent.  It is a known fact that Howard wants to play with him and we are going to have the cap space to offer Howard a max contract - why not?

We could have Deron sign an extension that is reasonable enough that we'd be able to still offer a max contract, Sign Howard, keep Pierce, re-sign Ray and maybe even KG to small contracts - that is a pretty nice starting 5....

Williams
Ray
PP
KG
Howard

This certainly isn't out of the realm of possiblility although it may be a long-shot - but KG didn't want to come here until we got Ray....

[PosImpos]

It would certainly be nice to get Deron in a trade after missing out on Chris Paul.

I have my doubts that NJ will really consider trading him at the deadline, though.  After all that they gave up for him, I think they'd rather save face with their fans by showing that they are doing everything they can to hold onto him.

[celtsrp33]

It would certainly be nice to get Deron in a trade after missing out on Chris Paul.

I have my doubts that NJ will really consider trading him at the deadline, though.  After all that they gave up for him, I think they'd rather save face with their fans by showing that they are doing everything they can to hold onto him.

I agree to a point but don't you think they would save face by getting something for him if they know he would just walk away otherwise.  Rondo is still a nice, young piece and has a reasonable contract for the next 3+ years.  That would allow NJ to still be a player in the FA market as well....

[PosImpos]

It would certainly be nice to get Deron in a trade after missing out on Chris Paul.

I have my doubts that NJ will really consider trading him at the deadline, though.  After all that they gave up for him, I think they'd rather save face with their fans by showing that they are doing everything they can to hold onto him.

I agree to a point but don't you think they would save face by getting something for him if they know he would just walk away otherwise.  Rondo is still a nice, young piece and has a reasonable contract for the next 3+ years.  That would allow NJ to still be a player in the FA market as well....

I'm just not sure that their fans would see it that way.  Losing out on DH would be bad enough -- failing to hold onto D-Will as well could not possibly be viewed as anything but a failure, I think.

I guess another way to put it by asking whether you think their fans would have been content if they had traded Favors, Harris, and picks to the Celtics for Rondo.  I rather doubt that would have been seen as a good move.

[action781]

I've stated this in another thread... but how do people think that we can possibly get D-Will and Dwight?

If Dwight is going to make it to free agency, why on earth does NJ trade away to Boston the magic ticket that everybody thinks is going to sway Dwight to sign here?

[PosImpos]

I've stated this in another thread... but how do people think that we can possibly get D-Will and Dwight?

If Dwight is going to make it to free agency, why on earth does NJ trade away to Boston the magic ticket that everybody thinks is going to sway Dwight to sign here?

yeah, the logic is kind of faulty.

NJ will trade D-Will go us because he's going to leave in free agency, anyway; Dwight will come to the Celtics if they can trade for Deron mid-season, because he wants to play with Deron.

If Deron, even on an expiring contract, is an automatic lure for Howard, why would the Nets ever trade him?

D-Will may be the magic ticket to getting Howard, but only once he's committed to signing with a particular team -- and that team may very well not be the team with which he finishes the season.

[celtsrp33]

I've stated this in another thread... but how do people think that we can possibly get D-Will and Dwight?

If Dwight is going to make it to free agency, why on earth does NJ trade away to Boston the magic ticket that everybody thinks is going to sway Dwight to sign here?

Well, my thinking is that NJ has to get SOMETHING for D-Will.  If he just walks - they totally lose out.  I don't think they will find a much better offer out there than Rondo, who is a top 5 PG, young and has a contract that is reasonable.  NJ has to do what's best for their team - not what's worst for Boston...

Williams may be the magic ticket to Dwight, but it doesn't look like NJ will hold that ticket after this season either way.  


EDIT:  Just realized this is my 1000th post!

[celtsrp33]

I've stated this in another thread... but how do people think that we can possibly get D-Will and Dwight?

If Dwight is going to make it to free agency, why on earth does NJ trade away to Boston the magic ticket that everybody thinks is going to sway Dwight to sign here?

yeah, the logic is kind of faulty.

NJ will trade D-Will go us because he's going to leave in free agency, anyway; Dwight will come to the Celtics if they can trade for Deron mid-season, because he wants to play with Deron.

If Deron, even on an expiring contract, is an automatic lure for Howard, why would the Nets ever trade him?

D-Will may be the magic ticket to getting Howard, but only once he's committed to signing with a particular team -- and that team may very well not be the team with which he finishes the season.

If Williams is going to walk anyway - why wouldn't they deal him for Rondo rather than just lose him?  Howard's situation won't even matter if Williams doesn't want to be in NJ...

[southshorematt]

trust me I love Rondo more than anyone. I've spent a thousand $$ on getting each pair of his PE Nikes.

BUT to move forward to the next era in Celtics basketball, we need to trade him for Derron. That will lure Dwight here in the summer.

[action781]

I've stated this in another thread... but how do people think that we can possibly get D-Will and Dwight?

If Dwight is going to make it to free agency, why on earth does NJ trade away to Boston the magic ticket that everybody thinks is going to sway Dwight to sign here?

yeah, the logic is kind of faulty.

NJ will trade D-Will go us because he's going to leave in free agency, anyway; Dwight will come to the Celtics if they can trade for Deron mid-season, because he wants to play with Deron.

If Deron, even on an expiring contract, is an automatic lure for Howard, why would the Nets ever trade him?

D-Will may be the magic ticket to getting Howard, but only once he's committed to signing with a particular team -- and that team may very well not be the team with which he finishes the season.

If Williams is going to walk anyway - why wouldn't they deal him for Rondo rather than just lose him?  Howard's situation won't even matter if Williams doesn't want to be in NJ...

So there are people here who think that D-Will "walk anyways" even if Dwight is willing to team up with him in NJ?  He's gonna go and run to sign with some other team without quickly asking the NBA's most dominant big man, "Hey, would you sign here if I stay?"

[action781]

I've stated this in another thread... but how do people think that we can possibly get D-Will and Dwight?

If Dwight is going to make it to free agency, why on earth does NJ trade away to Boston the magic ticket that everybody thinks is going to sway Dwight to sign here?

Well, my thinking is that NJ has to get SOMETHING for D-Will.  If he just walks - they totally lose out.  I don't think they will find a much better offer out there than Rondo, who is a top 5 PG, young and has a contract that is reasonable.  NJ has to do what's best for their team - not what's worst for Boston...

Williams may be the magic ticket to Dwight, but it doesn't look like NJ will hold that ticket after this season either way.  


EDIT:  Just realized this is my 1000th post!

TP and congrats on 1000!

So, I see what you're saying... NJ has to weigh their options... take the sure thing of Rondo and nothing else (and I mean nothing else, b/c there is no way Dwight signs on to that team this offseason) or roll the dice on getting D-Will and Dwight with the risk of having no D-Will, no nothing.

I think the risk is worth it.  Rondo + nothing guarantees you mediocrity.  D-Will + Dwight gives you a chance at multiple championships.

[PosImpos]

Rondo + nothing guarantees you mediocrity.  D-Will + Dwight gives you a chance at multiple championships.

Exactly.  If Rondo + nothing were such a great starting point for rebuilding, the Celtics wouldn't be so eager to trade him away for an upgrade.

[celtsrp33]

I've stated this in another thread... but how do people think that we can possibly get D-Will and Dwight?

If Dwight is going to make it to free agency, why on earth does NJ trade away to Boston the magic ticket that everybody thinks is going to sway Dwight to sign here?

Well, my thinking is that NJ has to get SOMETHING for D-Will.  If he just walks - they totally lose out.  I don't think they will find a much better offer out there than Rondo, who is a top 5 PG, young and has a contract that is reasonable.  NJ has to do what's best for their team - not what's worst for Boston...

Williams may be the magic ticket to Dwight, but it doesn't look like NJ will hold that ticket after this season either way.  


EDIT:  Just realized this is my 1000th post!

TP and congrats on 1000!

So, I see what you're saying... NJ has to weigh their options... take the sure thing of Rondo and nothing else (and I mean nothing else, b/c there is no way Dwight signs on to that team this offseason) or roll the dice on getting D-Will and Dwight with the risk of having no D-Will, no nothing.

I think the risk is worth it.  Rondo + nothing guarantees you mediocrity.  D-Will + Dwight gives you a chance at multiple championships.

Thanks.  I agree that the risk is worth it, but will the NJ ownership?  Do they really want to risk having a totally horrible team with no names on the roster for another decade?

Also, wouldn't you think that DWill and Howard would be smart enough to see that the pieces that are already in Boston would give them a much better shot at a title?  D-Will, Howard, PP - plus possibly Ray and KG looks a lot better than those 2 with MarShon Brooks and Anthony Morrow....

[celtsrp33]

Rondo + nothing guarantees you mediocrity.  D-Will + Dwight gives you a chance at multiple championships.

Exactly.  If Rondo + nothing were such a great starting point for rebuilding, the Celtics wouldn't be so eager to trade him away for an upgrade.

Clearly the biggest factor here is whether NJ is willing to take that risk.  Is something better than the risk of nothing.  Isn't it possible that D-Will just asks out now before the trade deadline?  He has already made it clear he is not happy there - and it could be more than just the fact they aren't winning much.  It IS NJ and all...  Have you ever been to NJ....yeah...

[cman88]

None of this makes sense at all really...

the whole reason the Nets signed D.will was to go after Howard if he makes it to free agency...its pretty obvious Deron is going to leave if they dont get howard...but you dont have a chance at howard without holding onto D.Will at least until this summer and sell them both on the idea of playing together in brooklyn.

Does anyone really think D.Will would leave if Howard said "hey ill play in NJ"

williams isnt getting traded..and if Howard doesnt come here, the celts are stuck with their hands in their pants...thats a risk you take for CP3...arguably a top 5 player in this league..not for Deron Williams..who doesnt look particularly impressive with the nets