How's My Pick 2 Team?

[GreenFaith1819]

C - Marc Gasol/Joel Anthony
PF - David West/Nick Collison/Donte Green
SF - Rudy Gay/Donte Green
SG - Mike Miller/Michael Redd/Von Wafer
PG - Jason Kidd/C.J. Watson

I'm considering a mid-level trade that I had in mind, but before I proceed down that road any thoughts about my team?

I would keep Mike Miller as my main backup wing.

I'd be tempted to start Von Wafer ahead of Michael Redd and have Von Wafer defend the point while Jason Kidd takes opposing two guards.

Hits a critical point. Jason Kidd can't defend most PG's. I'm not sure Wafer can either, but he's likely to have a better time of it than Kidd.

Good points, who and IP...I am a bit confused about Kidd's defense, though. IMO, I think he takes a bit of unfair criticism because of his age.

Just a few nights ago, wasn't he instrumental in making PHI's perimeter players go like 8 for 47:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201202170PHI.html

Jodie Meeks, Louis Williams, Jrue, Iggy, Turner...didn't play well vs DAL, and I'm sure that Kidd had a hand in it.

I'm not expecting Kidd to play 36 min every night in this setting. I'm fully comfortable with him playing 30 min or even resting some nights, especially with CJ Watson (17.45 PER) behind him.

CJ did a superb job for CHI while Rose was hurt.

I just don't think that Kidd's age is as big an issue in this setting.

But thanks for the comments...keep them coming.

[justin_bobo]

Sorry for the disappearance, I had to explain to the good people of Sacramento and St. Louis that imploding this team and trading Monta Ellis for some used socks and deflated basketballs was the right move in the long run. With that being said, I believe we have a more balanced, yet slightly less talented team right now, that could blossom down the line.

PG - Tyreke Evans (Avery Bradley and John Lucas seeing equal time off the bench)
SG - Nick Young (With Rudy Fernandez seeing decent time)
SF - Linas Kleiza (least minutes of starters, MarShon Brooks being the 6th man for this team)
PF - Al Harrington (needs to be coached right)*(Kenneth Faried minutes bumped up, Reggie Evans played when need extra big)
C  - Roy Hibbert (play as much as possible!)(Ian Mahinmi solid bench minutes, Jason Smith used sparingly)

I think thats the best I can see this unit playing together. So off the bench would be something like this:

6. Brooks
7. Fernandez
8. Faried
9. Mahinmi
10. Bradley
11. Lucas
12. Smith
13. Evans

I think the bench provides a good amount of depth, with an extra piece needed to be added on next year.

TPs for reviews.

[indeedproceed]

C - Marc Gasol/Joel Anthony
PF - David West/Nick Collison/Donte Green
SF - Rudy Gay/Donte Green
SG - Mike Miller/Michael Redd/Von Wafer
PG - Jason Kidd/C.J. Watson

I'm considering a mid-level trade that I had in mind, but before I proceed down that road any thoughts about my team?

I would keep Mike Miller as my main backup wing.

I'd be tempted to start Von Wafer ahead of Michael Redd and have Von Wafer defend the point while Jason Kidd takes opposing two guards.

Hits a critical point. Jason Kidd can't defend most PG's. I'm not sure Wafer can either, but he's likely to have a better time of it than Kidd.

Good points, who and IP...I am a bit confused about Kidd's defense, though. IMO, I think he takes a bit of unfair criticism because of his age.

Just a few nights ago, wasn't he instrumental in making PHI's perimeter players go like 8 for 47:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201202170PHI.html

Jodie Meeks, Louis Williams, Jrue, Iggy, Turner...didn't play well vs DAL, and I'm sure that Kidd had a hand in it.

I'm not expecting Kidd to play 36 min every night in this setting. I'm fully comfortable with him playing 30 min or even resting some nights, especially with CJ Watson (17.45 PER) behind him.

CJ did a superb job for CHI while Rose was hurt.

I just don't think that Kidd's age is as big an issue in this setting.

But thanks for the comments...keep them coming.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11DAL3.HTM#5man

That's a list of the 20 most frequent lineups for the Mavs.

You'll see only one of them has a legitimate lineup of Kidd at PG, and a traditional (carter) SG.

The reason being for that is Jason Kidd can't really guard PG's.

Could he do it one night against Philadelphia? Sure, but its an exception, not a rule at this stage in Kidd's career. The old bear has a lost a step. Still effective against 2's though.

[GreenFaith1819]

C - Marc Gasol/Joel Anthony
PF - David West/Nick Collison/Donte Green
SF - Rudy Gay/Donte Green
SG - Mike Miller/Michael Redd/Von Wafer
PG - Jason Kidd/C.J. Watson

I'm considering a mid-level trade that I had in mind, but before I proceed down that road any thoughts about my team?

I would keep Mike Miller as my main backup wing.

I'd be tempted to start Von Wafer ahead of Michael Redd and have Von Wafer defend the point while Jason Kidd takes opposing two guards.

Hits a critical point. Jason Kidd can't defend most PG's. I'm not sure Wafer can either, but he's likely to have a better time of it than Kidd.

Good points, who and IP...I am a bit confused about Kidd's defense, though. IMO, I think he takes a bit of unfair criticism because of his age.

Just a few nights ago, wasn't he instrumental in making PHI's perimeter players go like 8 for 47:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201202170PHI.html

Jodie Meeks, Louis Williams, Jrue, Iggy, Turner...didn't play well vs DAL, and I'm sure that Kidd had a hand in it.

I'm not expecting Kidd to play 36 min every night in this setting. I'm fully comfortable with him playing 30 min or even resting some nights, especially with CJ Watson (17.45 PER) behind him.

CJ did a superb job for CHI while Rose was hurt.

I just don't think that Kidd's age is as big an issue in this setting.

But thanks for the comments...keep them coming.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11DAL3.HTM#5man

That's a list of the 20 most frequent lineups for the Mavs.

You'll see only one of them has a legitimate lineup of Kidd at PG, and a traditional (carter) SG.

The reason being for that is Jason Kidd can't really guard PG's.

Could he do it one night against Philadelphia? Sure, but its an exception, not a rule at this stage in Kidd's career. The old bear has a lost a step. Still effective against 2's though.

Good Points...thanks.

Will consider some changes/potential trades...won't be anything major, though.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Philadelphia

Andre Miller
Kevin Martin
Danilo Gallinari
Ekpe Udoh
Spencer Hawes

Bench:

@DrayBaltche, Aaron Brooks, Kawhi Leonard, Andris Biedrins, Terrence Williams, Jordan Crawford

[Who]

C - Marc Gasol/Joel Anthony
PF - David West/Nick Collison/Donte Green
SF - Rudy Gay/Donte Green
SG - Mike Miller/Michael Redd/Von Wafer
PG - Jason Kidd/C.J. Watson

I'm considering a mid-level trade that I had in mind, but before I proceed down that road any thoughts about my team?

I would keep Mike Miller as my main backup wing.

I'd be tempted to start Von Wafer ahead of Michael Redd and have Von Wafer defend the point while Jason Kidd takes opposing two guards.

Hits a critical point. Jason Kidd can't defend most PG's. I'm not sure Wafer can either, but he's likely to have a better time of it than Kidd.

It's about Von Wafer's defensive limitations too. He lacks the physical presence to defend starting twos with legitimate size and offensive talent. Whereas Kidd has excellent physical toughness and defends those players well.

So they have a nice interchangeable relationship defensively to cover up one another's deficiencies. To maximize their (relative) strengths defensively (where appropriate).

[nickagneta]

C - Marc Gasol/Joel Anthony
PF - David West/Nick Collison/Donte Green
SF - Rudy Gay/Donte Green
SG - Mike Miller/Michael Redd/Von Wafer
PG - Jason Kidd/C.J. Watson

I'm considering a mid-level trade that I had in mind, but before I proceed down that road any thoughts about my team?

I think the Kidd/Redd picks hurt this team as better players at those positions were available. For instance if instead of Kidd and Redd the picks were Jarrett Jack and Jodie Meeks, I think you are looking at a team in the West that could have rivaled the Spurs for Western Conference supremacy.

Definite playoff team but flawed in the backcourt. I do love the frontcourt though.

[Who]

C - Marc Gasol/Joel Anthony
PF - David West/Nick Collison/Donte Green
SF - Rudy Gay/Donte Green
SG - Mike Miller/Michael Redd/Von Wafer
PG - Jason Kidd/C.J. Watson

I'm considering a mid-level trade that I had in mind, but before I proceed down that road any thoughts about my team?

I think the Kidd/Redd picks hurt this team as better players at those positions were available. For instance if instead of Kidd and Redd the picks were Jarrett Jack and Jodie Meeks, I think you are looking at a team in the West that could have rivaled the Spurs for Western Conference supremacy.

Definite playoff team but flawed in the backcourt. I do love the frontcourt though.

I agree with you on Michael Redd and disagree on Jason Kidd.

I think Kidd still brings a lot more to the table than Jarrett Jack. I thought Kidd was a fantastic pick.

[nickagneta]

C - Marc Gasol/Joel Anthony
PF - David West/Nick Collison/Donte Green
SF - Rudy Gay/Donte Green
SG - Mike Miller/Michael Redd/Von Wafer
PG - Jason Kidd/C.J. Watson

I'm considering a mid-level trade that I had in mind, but before I proceed down that road any thoughts about my team?

I think the Kidd/Redd picks hurt this team as better players at those positions were available. For instance if instead of Kidd and Redd the picks were Jarrett Jack and Jodie Meeks, I think you are looking at a team in the West that could have rivaled the Spurs for Western Conference supremacy.

Definite playoff team but flawed in the backcourt. I do love the frontcourt though.

I agree with you on Michael Redd and disagree on Jason Kidd.

I think Kidd still brings a lot more to the table than Jarrett Jack. I thought Kidd was a fantastic pick.

I have to respectfully disagree. Kidd can no longer score at all or get to the line. His once outstanding passing is no limited by his lack of mobility and his assist to turnover rate has dipped to a very pedestrian 2/1 over the last three years. He also extremely limits the makeup of the team as he just can no long guard PGs, meaning you have to get a small quick SG to guard PGs while Kidd guards the shooting guards.

And his shooting is no just awful. It was never great but his FG% and #PT% are both hovering in the low 30's as the 3 pointer is the only shot he can consistently get. He's taking over 4 a game and hitting just 30%. That's bad.

Don't like Jack, cool. He's not my favorite either. But Collison, Teague, Miller and Augustin were still available.

[Who]

C - Marc Gasol/Joel Anthony
PF - David West/Nick Collison/Donte Green
SF - Rudy Gay/Donte Green
SG - Mike Miller/Michael Redd/Von Wafer
PG - Jason Kidd/C.J. Watson

I'm considering a mid-level trade that I had in mind, but before I proceed down that road any thoughts about my team?

I think the Kidd/Redd picks hurt this team as better players at those positions were available. For instance if instead of Kidd and Redd the picks were Jarrett Jack and Jodie Meeks, I think you are looking at a team in the West that could have rivaled the Spurs for Western Conference supremacy.

Definite playoff team but flawed in the backcourt. I do love the frontcourt though.

I agree with you on Michael Redd and disagree on Jason Kidd.

I think Kidd still brings a lot more to the table than Jarrett Jack. I thought Kidd was a fantastic pick.

I have to respectfully disagree. Kidd can no longer score at all or get to the line. His once outstanding passing is no limited by his lack of mobility and his assist to turnover rate has dipped to a very pedestrian 2/1 over the last three years. He also extremely limits the makeup of the team as he just can no long guard PGs, meaning you have to get a small quick SG to guard PGs while Kidd guards the shooting guards.

And his shooting is no just awful. It was never great but his FG% and #PT% are both hovering in the low 30's as the 3 pointer is the only shot he can consistently get. He's taking over 4 a game and hitting just 30%. That's bad.

Don't like Jack, cool. He's not my favorite either. But Collison, Teague, Miller and Augustin were still available.

I wouldn't take any of those PGs over Kidd.

I think Kidd still has considerable value as a team defender, multi-positional defender, rebounder, floor general, spot up shooter and leader.

I still consider him a top 15 PG.

[indeedproceed]

Just about done. 2 more picks later today.

PG: Lowry/Ridnour
SG: Rush/K Thompson
SF: Prince/C Brewer
PF: Millsap/E Clark/Erden
C: Howard/Birdman/Erden

[GreenFaith1819]

C - Marc Gasol/Joel Anthony
PF - David West/Nick Collison/Donte Green
SF - Rudy Gay/Donte Green
SG - Mike Miller/Michael Redd/Von Wafer
PG - Jason Kidd/C.J. Watson

I'm considering a mid-level trade that I had in mind, but before I proceed down that road any thoughts about my team?

I think the Kidd/Redd picks hurt this team as better players at those positions were available. For instance if instead of Kidd and Redd the picks were Jarrett Jack and Jodie Meeks, I think you are looking at a team in the West that could have rivaled the Spurs for Western Conference supremacy.

Definite playoff team but flawed in the backcourt. I do love the frontcourt though.

I agree with you on Michael Redd and disagree on Jason Kidd.

I think Kidd still brings a lot more to the table than Jarrett Jack. I thought Kidd was a fantastic pick.

I have to respectfully disagree. Kidd can no longer score at all or get to the line. His once outstanding passing is no limited by his lack of mobility and his assist to turnover rate has dipped to a very pedestrian 2/1 over the last three years. He also extremely limits the makeup of the team as he just can no long guard PGs, meaning you have to get a small quick SG to guard PGs while Kidd guards the shooting guards.

And his shooting is no just awful. It was never great but his FG% and #PT% are both hovering in the low 30's as the 3 pointer is the only shot he can consistently get. He's taking over 4 a game and hitting just 30%. That's bad.

Don't like Jack, cool. He's not my favorite either. But Collison, Teague, Miller and Augustin were still available.

In this setting, for my team, though - I love his leadership.

He has something that Teague, Jarett don't have - Championship experience.

Plus, for this setting, I don't need him shooting much, at all - just lead, play a LITTLE defense, distribute the ball, etc.

For us, he's our 5th option scoring-wise. I'm anticipating Rudy being 1, Marc and DWest being 2a and 2b, and Miller being option 3.

Additionally, Kidd has picked up his play and stats here lately. And on some nights, CJ will/could start. His 17.45 PER is well-earned, in that he proved his worth while DRose was out.

I'm not expecting a 2003 Kidd, here. But for my team, I needed leadership and Kidd fits that bill perfectly.

Jason Kidd easily gets my:



 

[wdleehi]

Philadelphia

Andre Miller
Kevin Martin
Danilo Gallinari
Ekpe Udoh
Spencer Hawes

Bench:

@DrayBaltche, Aaron Brooks, Kawhi Leonard, Andris Biedrins, Terrence Williams, Jordan Crawford

Blatche  =  bad. 
Blatche + Beidrins = no interior defense. 

[GreenFaith1819]

Plus, I'm smiling just thinking about the number of pick and rolls that Marc and Kidd will pull off.....old guys are crafty like that.

Marc Gasol is perhaps the best passing Center out there not named Tim Duncan...he really opens things up for our team.

[indeedproceed]

Philadelphia

Andre Miller
Kevin Martin
Danilo Gallinari
Ekpe Udoh
Spencer Hawes

Bench:

@DrayBaltche, Aaron Brooks, Kawhi Leonard, Andris Biedrins, Terrence Williams, Jordan Crawford

Lots of firepower between Martin/Gallo on the wings, but both players are down a bit on efficiency this year (despite winning more games, respectively). Miller is the perfect PG for these guys, as he'll get into the lane without a second though and doesn't mind sharing.

Hawes has been a pleasant surprise for Philly, but he's still a guy that's getting just 10 pts and 8 boards on a team that spreads it around more than any other, and he's not getting the line at all for a guy who is as offensively inclined as he is.
You've got defensive holes at 2,3,5, and a an elite defensive project, rather than an elite defensive player, at the 4.

On the bench I like Leonard. I used to like Brooks but I thought the way he handled himself in Houston and the way he played in Phoenix should be considered a very serious knock on him. I've got no faith in Terrance Williams or Jordan Crawford. Neither one is ready for heavy NBA minutes.

Biedrins should've been a huge win, but he just has a dark cloud over what used to be a promising career. He's too weak to body up most centers, and too slow to faceup against power forwards. His best abilities were all dependent on his high-motor, and that seems gone with the wind, almost intentionally fouling himself out of games at times (seriously, still getting 3 fouls in less than 20 minutes!).

I'm not sure how good or bad this team is though, because I think there is some real potential here. Udoh in his 1 start got 19 points and 8 boards. Gallo before his injury was looking like a real gamer. Kevin Martin still finds ways to get points even when his jumper leaves him. Andre Miller is still Andre Millering around doing his thing. They've got 5 guys who should be legit starters. Crappy bench, crappy defense, but they've got talent. I don't know if this is the year its realized.

EDIT: Figures as soon as I really do a full write-up, they'll do a major team trade.