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Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2012, 09:12:20 PM »

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I accidently deleted my really long and nice speel about my team, so I'll just ask, "What do you think this team needs to be a real title contender (assuming that you guys don't agree with me when I say this team rocks)?  What should I have done differently?"

PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Vince Carter
SF: Chase Buddinger
PF: Shawn Marion
C: Tiago Splitter
Bench: Mo Williams(PG/SG), Willie Green(SG), Dorell Wright(SG/SF/PF), Gustavo Ayon(PF), Chris Anderson(C), Lavoy Allen (PF/C)



Really don't like it defensively and without overwhelming talent I don't like it.

Defensively?  That kind of surprises me, its one of the few areas I thought my team really excelled in.  Westbrook is about average defensively and Williams is lsightly below average defensively, but Carter has been lockdown this year (even if he hasn't been very good defensively over his career), Marion is always great, and Splitter, Budinger, and the bench are okay.  I was thinking a lack of firepower would doom me, actually.
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Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2012, 09:18:04 PM »

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Here we go, I'll comment on others later tonight:

PG - Jrue Holiday, Baron Davis, Beno Udrih
SG - Ronnie Brewer, OJ Mayo (Holiday, Udrih, Johnson)
SF - Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady (Brewer)
PF - Amar'e Stoudemire, Ryan Anderson
C - Kurt Thomas, Nikola Vucevic, Cole Aldrich

Love the versatility. 1-4 I think I have an argument for the best team in the league, with one of the best perimeter defenses. The 5 is an obvious question-mark, but I think I picked the right type of players and Vucevic has been killing it lately.

I probably overpaid for Johnson and undersold for Howard to start the game but I think I rebounded decently enough.

Interested in hearing thoughts and what I should've done differently, I've still got 10.6 left.
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Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2012, 09:20:02 PM »

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I just don t like Carter, and Budinger got replaced as a starter by a rookie without a 3pt shot because he boards well and plays better defense.

Start mo Williams. FREE MO WILLIAMS!

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Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2012, 09:22:09 PM »

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Here we go, I'll comment on others later tonight:

PG - Jrue Holiday, Baron Davis, Beno Udrih
SG - Ronnie Brewer, OJ Mayo (Holiday, Udrih, Johnson)
SF - Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady (Brewer)
PF - Amar'e Stoudemire, Ryan Anderson
C - Kurt Thomas, Nikola Vucevic, Cole Aldrich

Love the versatility. 1-4 I think I have an argument for the best team in the league, with one of the best perimeter defenses. The 5 is an obvious question-mark, but I think I picked the right type of players and Vucevic has been killing it lately.

I probably overpaid for Johnson and undersold for Howard to start the game but I think I rebounded decently enough.

Interested in hearing thoughts and what I should've done differently, I've still got 10.6 left.

I don't understand Thomas starting. Besides that Vucecic should just be starting, I don't think Thomas has the kind of speed you're going to need to make up for Amare's lack of fundamentals/interest.

You're right in your comments about trades, which is a bit of a shame because I think if you had a player that was even a slight upgrade over Joe Johnson you'd be a true competitor. As of right now, I kinda see you like the Magic - Always in the conversation for contenders but realistically no one expects you to do it.

EDIT: when the dust was settled, what'd you get for d12?

DOUBLE EDIT: Actually, that's a dang good bench. You could be a competitor.

Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2012, 09:36:50 PM »

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You know hwat, let me finally throw my team on the ole choppin block

Jennings / Barea
P. George /
W. Chandler / Pietrus
D. Williams / Villanueva/ Maxiell
T Chandler/ Biyombo

I think we can give teams fits. It's not just a strong defense, but a really, really fast one and I absolutely love the length we have on the wings. As good as the 6ers are in getting into transition through their defense, I think this team could be even better.

Offensively, at least at this point, I think we kinda come and go with Brandon Jennings. Chandler's a strong scorer, P. George is a good shooter but inconsistent when it comes to creating his own offense and Derrick Williams is... weird... offensively. I like Jennings a lot, and would be interested to see how he'd perform with a lot more firepower around him, but I have some concerns about him being really the only creator on this team.

In the future I feel strong about this team, even if some of the younger players fall somewhere between where they are and their potential I think there's enough here that we could be a serious competitor 2 to 3 years down the line.



Concerns:  Power forward, lack of elite offensive talent, offensive consistency.

This is a fun team.  I think Chandler and George are going to be entertaining to watch, and both should be able to fill a box score.  It's hard to find fault in Tyson Chandler.  Barea is a nice backup. 

The concern I have with the back court is whether Jennings can become an elite PG.  Can he consistently run an offense?  Up front, what is Derrick Williams going to turn into?  If he's not ready -- and he doesn't seem to be -- can Charlie V. be an everyday contributor?

My guess, without doing a full analysis, is that this is going to be a lower level playoff team in the short term.  Am I far off in thinking of Indy as sort of a poor man's Atlanta?


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Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2012, 09:42:52 PM »

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PG - Jrue Holiday, Baron Davis, Beno Udrih
SG - Ronnie Brewer, OJ Mayo (Holiday, Udrih, Johnson)
SF - Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady (Brewer)
PF - Amar'e Stoudemire, Ryan Anderson
C - Kurt Thomas, Nikola Vucevic, Cole Aldrich

Brewer, Mayo, and Johnson all play the same position. I don't think Joe Johnson can check 3's full-time, I think it will wear on him.

Trade for Luc Ricard Mbah a Moute. Start Amar'e at the 5.

Get a 3 who can pass the ball well (like tayshaun prince). Johnson at the 2.

Holiday
Johnson
Prince-like 3...Mcgrady's not the worst fit but defensively deficient
Lrmam clone/Andersen
Stoudemire

That's your team. That's a contender that doesn't rely on strong contributions from Ronnie Brewer or Kurt Thomas or Vucevic. .

Without those moves (which are just one humble GM's thoughts), I think you're a really good team with a lopsided concentrationof talent.

Good team, playoff team 4 sure.


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Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2012, 09:46:22 PM »

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I accidently deleted my really long and nice speel about my team, so I'll just ask, "What do you think this team needs to be a real title contender (assuming that you guys don't agree with me when I say this team rocks)?  What should I have done differently?"

PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Vince Carter
SF: Chase Buddinger
PF: Shawn Marion
C: Tiago Splitter
Bench: Mo Williams(PG/SG), Willie Green(SG), Dorell Wright(SG/SF/PF), Gustavo Ayon(PF), Chris Anderson(C), Lavoy Allen (PF/C)


I don't know what to think of this team.  Outside of Westbrook, I think it lacks elite talent.  With all due respect, you don't have a single first round talent on your team, plus you're basically down one keeper.  I think that that talent gap is going to hurt.

I guess I'll structure this in the same way I have other teams...

Concerns:  Lack of elite talent outside of Westbrook.  Lack of firepower.  "Fit".  Over-reliance on Vince Carter.

Honestly (and I don't want to be harsh here), I'm surprised that you think your squad is elite defensively.  I think you're over-reading some of Carter's defensive stats, but let's assume he's been great and will continue to be great.  I think he'd still be surrounded by mediocre or worse defenders in Splitter and Budinger, and I prefer Marion at SF.

I also have questions about how your offense is going to work.  It looks like it's going to be Westbrook playing hero ball for 40 minutes per night.  Can that type of team win, without a guy like Durant taking the heat off him?

It's a good first shot, and it's easy to forget that you were a rookie here.  I'm anxious to see how you'd do in the CelticsBlog Draft, and I would encourage you to play.   


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Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2012, 09:49:08 PM »

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Regarding Jennings,

I think his ceiling is an obvious comparison: Gilbert Arenas.

Realistically, I don't think he gets anywhere close to Agent 0's height though. I see him gaining a little more consistency, but I think he is kind of who he is: A guy who can contribute to you positively every night, can play above elite on some nights, but isn't what I'd consider 'elite'

Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2012, 09:52:45 PM »

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I accidently deleted my really long and nice speel about my team, so I'll just ask, "What do you think this team needs to be a real title contender (assuming that you guys don't agree with me when I say this team rocks)?  What should I have done differently?"

PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Vince Carter
SF: Chase Buddinger
PF: Shawn Marion
C: Tiago Splitter
Bench: Mo Williams(PG/SG), Willie Green(SG), Dorell Wright(SG/SF/PF), Gustavo Ayon(PF), Chris Anderson(C), Lavoy Allen (PF/C)


I don't know what to think of this team.  Outside of Westbrook, I think it lacks elite talent.  With all due respect, you don't have a single first round talent on your team, plus you're basically down one keeper.  I think that that talent gap is going to hurt.

I guess I'll structure this in the same way I have other teams...

Concerns:  Lack of elite talent outside of Westbrook.  Lack of firepower.  "Fit".  Over-reliance on Vince Carter.

Honestly (and I don't want to be harsh here), I'm surprised that you think your squad is elite defensively.  I think you're over-reading some of Carter's defensive stats, but let's assume he's been great and will continue to be great.  I think he'd still be surrounded by mediocre or worse defenders in Splitter and Budinger, and I prefer Marion at SF.

I also have questions about how your offense is going to work.  It looks like it's going to be Westbrook playing hero ball for 40 minutes per night.  Can that type of team win, without a guy like Durant taking the heat off him?

It's a good first shot, and it's easy to forget that you were a rookie here.  I'm anxious to see how you'd do in the CelticsBlog Draft, and I would encourage you to play.   

Fair enough.
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Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2012, 10:11:43 PM »

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Here we go, I'll comment on others later tonight:

PG - Jrue Holiday, Baron Davis, Beno Udrih
SG - Ronnie Brewer, OJ Mayo (Holiday, Udrih, Johnson)
SF - Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady (Brewer)
PF - Amar'e Stoudemire, Ryan Anderson
C - Kurt Thomas, Nikola Vucevic, Cole Aldrich

Love the versatility. 1-4 I think I have an argument for the best team in the league, with one of the best perimeter defenses. The 5 is an obvious question-mark, but I think I picked the right type of players and Vucevic has been killing it lately.

I probably overpaid for Johnson and undersold for Howard to start the game but I think I rebounded decently enough.

Interested in hearing thoughts and what I should've done differently, I've still got 10.6 left.

Concerns:  I thought Jrue Holiday was going to make "the leap" this year.  He hasn't.  I'm not sold on Johnson as a full-time SF. 

I'll start with an observation.  For years, people have been talking about how great it would be if Amare played beside a true center, so that he can concentrate on playing PF.  Turns out, that hasn't been such a great idea.  I can see Amare having the same issues here as he has in NY.  Kurt Thomas' defender is going to clog penetration for Amare, and on the perimeter, he's going to get in the way of Jrue and Johnson.  You've got three guys who really need the ball, with no clear role for Amare. 

I think Amare is going to always be best when he's playing center, and where he has another decent PF to kick out to.  It's no coincidence that his worst two (healthy) seasons were when he was playing alongside Shaq and next to Chandler. 

I do think you'd be better off starting Johnson at SG, and figuring out something different at SF.  Every year in these drafts, we see GMs playing all-stars out of position, and I almost never think it works.  (I know he's playing some SF in Atlanta, but Johnson is primarily a SG).  I think taking Johnson out of his comfort zone probably hurts his effectiveness.

So, those are some issues I have.  That said, your team is tremendously talented, and came out of the Dwight Howard trade better than I expected.  While I don't think this team is as good as some are projecting, I do think it's a very solid playoff team.


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Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2012, 10:44:49 PM »

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I'll have to agree to disagree on the Johnson as a SF thing, I think it'll work and others seem to question it but what can ya do. I think he has the size for it, has played it effectively in the past, and his backup proves that you can make the jump and play effectively. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like you guys agree and if this were a more competitive draft, I'd probably try to make a move to sway the votes. Luckily it's not, and you guys can deal :P

As far as Amar'e goes, I picked Thomas and Vucevic because they can handle the 15-18 foot jumper and give him the room he needs to operate. They're also very good rebounders and tough defenders, and complement him well, in my opinion. Amar'e will play his fair share of center too, probably approaching half his minutes. I'd see Vucevic playing more minutes than Thomas and, if he continues the way he's been playing, taking over the starting role, but I wanted a veteran leadership presence to at least start off with.

With Holiday, he's not as great a distributor as I would've liked but he's been able to succeed this year because he's playing with great passers on the wings, like Iggy and Turner, who allow him to have a scorer's mentality. Johnson accomplishes the same thing, as one of the best passing wings around.

But all that's up for debate and I obviously see it a little differently. I'd say I'm probably a lock for the 4 seed, or so, which benefits me because I match up against the Heat much better than the Knicks. Howard and Millsap would be a tough draw for my frontcourt, but I like my chances against Miami. If I get that matchup, I think the Magic can make some serious noise.
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Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2012, 10:48:55 PM »

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I accidently deleted my really long and nice speel about my team, so I'll just ask, "What do you think this team needs to be a real title contender (assuming that you guys don't agree with me when I say this team rocks)?  What should I have done differently?"

PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Vince Carter
SF: Chase Buddinger
PF: Shawn Marion
C: Tiago Splitter
Bench: Mo Williams(PG/SG), Willie Green(SG), Dorell Wright(SG/SF/PF), Gustavo Ayon(PF), Chris Anderson(C), Lavoy Allen (PF/C)

I really like Westbrook, Budinger and Splitter as the 1, 3 and 5 of the future, and Ayon off the bench for the same reason. The other guys, though, like Carter and Marion, would fit in better on a contending team looking for a guy to push them over the edge. They don't really serve a purpose for a team that doesn't seem to have a shot at contending this year. If you could parlay them into some more young talent, then you'd be a perennial playoff team in the future.
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Center: Marc Gasol, Serge Ibaka

Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2012, 10:51:19 PM »

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Jennings / Barea
P. George /
W. Chandler / Pietrus
D. Williams / Villanueva/ Maxiell
T Chandler/ Biyombo

A lot of talent here, trying to figure out how it all fits in together. I only really see one center on this roster, and I'm not sold on Williams being a starting power forward in this league. I love your 1-3, but I don't know about your frontcourt. Definitely an exciting team to watch, though.
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Center: Marc Gasol, Serge Ibaka

Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2012, 11:06:16 PM »

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Jennings / Barea
P. George /
W. Chandler / Pietrus
D. Williams / Villanueva/ Maxiell
T Chandler/ Biyombo

I see ball movement as a huge problem, team could really use a 'Kyle Lowry Type'.

Loads of athleticism but I'm not sure I'd call it elite. Jennings is a deceptively strong defender, Paul George is full of potential but still figuring it out.

Aside from Charlie V, this is the type of team I love to root for. They're skilled enough to beat anyone on any given night, but flawed enough so against the top tier games they always walk in as underdogs.

Kinda like the real pacers.

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Re: How's My Pick 2 Team?
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2012, 11:44:25 PM »

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How is my pick 2 team?

Starters:

Andre Miller
Kevin Martin
Danilo Gallinari
Ekpe Udoh
Spencer Hawes

Bench:

@DrayBlatche
Aaron Brooks
Kawhi Leonard
Jordan Crawford
Terrence Williams

Re-inserted Miller and Udoh to the starting unit to have some firepower in the bench. Brooks plays more minutes. @DrayBlatche will get #Starter minutes but comes off the bench to have some defense in the starting unit.
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PG: Jrue Holiday / Isaiah Thomas / Larry Hughes
SG: Paul George / Aaron McKie / Bradley Beal
SF: Paul Pierce / Tayshaun Prince / Brian Scalabrine
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Shareef Abdur-Raheem / Ben Simmons
C: Jermaine O'neal / Ben Wallace