Trade with Golden State

[Q_FBE]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6033226

KG and JO for David Lee, Monta Ellis, and Andris Biedrins

This appears to fly in the face of CBA logic which dictates that Cap Space is king and being over the luxery tax threshold is severely punitive but here me out here. We need rebounding desperately. David Lee will give us rebounding. Biedrens can give us inside offense. Monte Ellis will replace Ray Allen. Folks, we are not going anywhere near the NBA finals and we stepped out of contention at the Perkins deal last year. This is phase One to rebuilding. Phase II is the Rondo and perhaps Pierce to Utah that is talked about in another thread.

Danny is going to put the Control-Alt-Delete next month I am certain unless by some miracle, the Celtics do a 180 and start rebounding and winning.

Golden State keeps going through upheaval but Cap Space will mean little to most teams including the Celtics as we will soon find out this summer. The FA tilts toward the Miami's - Dallas' - NYKs, Bulls - and LALs of this league while the other 25 teams have to build through the draft - trades - and 2nd/3rd tier FA signings. Boston's problem is that Pierce, Garnett, Ray Allen, and Rondo are all 2nd tier stars. 3 of them are aging and the 4th is disgruntled. Where do you think that leaves us?  

[Who]

Not interested. I'd rather have the cap flexibility.

[celtsfan84]

Biedrins would give us inside offense?  He is averaging 2 points per game.  This isn't an outlier either.  He averaged 5 a game last year, 5 a game the year before.  On a high volume offense.

His peak was 11 a game about 4 years ago.  And most of that was put-backs on the offensive glass.  Once again on a high volume offense.

Please explain how he provides inside offense.  My thoughts on rebuilding isn't to become the Warriors.  Ugh.

[chambers]

Biedrens and Lee are both pretty average, and both way overpaid- we'd have no room for anyone for a while (I think Lee is a 6 year Max deal?)
They could run the floor with Rondo but I think I'd rather rebuild than have this combo on the floor for the next 4-5 years.
Monta would be nice but again, he's an undersized chucker that needs too much of the ball to fit well with our passing offense.

I think that golden state could get far more than expiring contracts for Lee and Ellis to be honest.

[ChiefDK]

Horrible trade that would set the Cs back years.

[Smitty77]

Horrible trade?

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/david_lee/

David Lee is almost a 22 Efficiency, which is far higher than ANY of our current players.

Ellis is over an 18 and is instant offense (not that our stellar offense needs any help:-))))).

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/monta_ellis/

Biedrens is in a horrific slump, but he averaged almost a double double for three stinking years.  He is VERY YOUNG and certainly can get back to that.

This would be a tremendous trade for the Celtics.

Unfortunately, GS would NEVER do it.

Smitty77

[KCattheStripe]

Lock us up in the cap purgatory of overpaying for good but not great players.

[gpap]

I LOVE this trade for the Celtics, but I doubt GS does it.

Don't know about Biedrins, but Ellis and Lee are two very good players. Don't think they trade them for two senior citizens.

[gpap]

Not interested. I'd rather have the cap flexibility.

The cap flexibility to sign who?

[bostonpatriot]

Not interested. I'd rather have the cap flexibility.

The cap flexibility to sign who?

Who knows? It doesn't even mean you need to use it to sign free-agents - it can be very useful in trades. Valuable asset. I think it's more valuable than having those guys and their well sized contracts (I'd say that in most instances, having the cap room is more valuable than having an overpaid player).

[snowball]

I would be all for getting Lee.
the others don't bring anything we don't
already have right now. But I would be open
to adding Monta Ellis if we lose Pierce or Allen.

[Donoghus]

Lock us up in the cap purgatory of overpaying for good but not great players.

Yup.

[gpap]

Horrible trade?

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/david_lee/

David Lee is almost a 22 Efficiency, which is far higher than ANY of our current players.

Ellis is over an 18 and is instant offense (not that our stellar offense needs any help:-))))).

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/monta_ellis/

Biedrens is in a horrific slump, but he averaged almost a double double for three stinking years.  He is VERY YOUNG and certainly can get back to that.

This would be a tremendous trade for the Celtics.

Unfortunately, GS would NEVER do it.

Smitty77

I agree. For the Celtics fans that don't like this trade, I don't know what they're smoking. Unless someone proposes a Dooling for Lebron, Wade and Bosh type trade that clearly benefits the Celtics, no one likes it.

[LooseCannon]

Trading for 3/5 of the starting lineup of a 12-17 team sounds like a really great idea....not.

[PosImpos]

Trading for 3/5 of the starting lineup of a 12-17 team sounds like a really great idea....not.

Yeah.  Pretty much my feeling on this.