Afraid to blame the Coach..?

[Tgro]

Oddly enough I posted something this morning in a different thread, not so much blaming doc but saying he needs to get more aggressive with the team.  The lack of effort is not acceptable.  He needs to call out the vets basically, JJJ makes a mistake point it out and get back to it.  PP is turning the ball over too much, yell at him.  Ray isn't hustling on defense, same.  All the bigs aren't boxing out call them out.  Rondo isn't fighting through picks, let him know it. 
I loved it when doc when bonkers on wilcox/jjj for not knowing a play.  Side note it was nice to see rondo who was dribbling and am sure not happy NOT do it.  Doc ran right out and the court and I could read his lips!  I think Doc the vets coach, who's been great for this team needs, dare I say? a little bill fitch in him.  There is NO reason paul and ray aren't filling the lanes on the fast break. 
Celtics, play hard, raise your hand when you need to come out, you'll get a sub.  We need to be using our bench, starters need to work harder or they shouldn't be starters

Yeah, I don't necessarily think Doc is doing a great job but I also don't necessarily think he's doing a bad job either. He's kind of in a rough patch right now. He is a vets coach. He might feel like they've earned their spot on the floor and to take them out for any reason other than injury is going against some kind of code hes made for himself. It would be nice if he benched a few of our starters for lack of productivity. Get into their heads. Mess with their egos a bit. He might actually get a few of them fired up.

I also feel he's well aware this is probably without a doubt the last hurrah for these veterans and he's reluctant to shame them in any way. Furthermore, I don't think he trusts his replacements in starting rolls. Again, when injury comes he'll put them in because he has to. But otherwise, he's reluctant to shake the lineups up unless he has to. I think he sees the bench as the bench and are the bench for a reason.

I think Doc is riding this season out and trying to take it as far as he can under his current code of ethics. But come next season, all bets are off and he'll really go in earnest into developing young players into starters. Maybe not so much because he wants to but more likely because he has to. To be honest, he really doesn't have any superstars anymore. He's got some real good players sprinkled in with not so bad players. I think he'd play a superstar if one emerged. But I don't think he feels he has one sitting on his bench.

[guava_wrench]

Meadowlark, you stirring up trouble? I love it!!! Doc is to blame. You can not put JJJ, Steamer, Pietrus, Bradley, and Dooling out on the floor together. It won't work. You got to mix up vets and youth.

I'd also like to blame Danny for 1 thing. Backup pg. We never seem to have one. And we don't need a great one. Just one that can set up the offense for a few minutes a game. I'd take Tinsley, Watson, or Rafer Alston.

Dooling and Pietrus are vets.

Are you suggesting starting JJJ, Steamer or Bradley? It's not as if we have a lot of people to juggle right now with our 2 top minutes bigs out (KG & Bass).

[j804]

The thing with just all of a sudden benching the starters in favor of the bench is the bench hasnt been integrated into the lineup enough and got there reps, so they are lost at this point.

I thought going into this season with our older age, the compacted schedule, lockout etc Doc would have played the young guys and bench from the get go but he's stubborn now its biting him in the butt they arent ready.

[Q_FBE]

I think that the lockout hurt the Celtics more than any other team out there. A lot of it was that a roster had to be thrown together at the last minute and our key players were busy politicking at the union hall instead of getting ready for a compacted schedule. Plus our health has not been that great over the past few years. Plus our rookies could not use the practice facility and could not be trained by Celtic coaches. This is more about survival and war of attrition and right now the pieces do not fit for whatever reason. No amount of coaching is going to get this right. Maybe things will come together for a sustained period of Celtics effectiveness this season or maybe it won't. It is no excuse for the apparent inattention to fundamental details of the game that we are experiencing. The coach does not make plays.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Meadowlark, you stirring up trouble? I love it!!! Doc is to blame. You can not put JJJ, Steamer, Pietrus, Bradley, and Dooling out on the floor together. It won't work. You got to mix up vets and youth.

I'd also like to blame Danny for 1 thing. Backup pg. We never seem to have one. And we don't need a great one. Just one that can set up the offense for a few minutes a game. I'd take Tinsley, Watson, or Rafer Alston.

Dooling and Pietrus are vets.

Are you suggesting starting JJJ, Steamer or Bradley? It's not as if we have a lot of people to juggle right now with our 2 top minutes bigs out (KG & Bass).

Well....i guess i am not suggesting anything directly...but, why not start them...what do we have to lose. Building a guys confidence thru something simple like starting can help the team. Leter on when all are back, it is time for the youth / age chemistry set....try those who compliment each others strengths...just forget yesterday's hero worship...no one has shown anything worthy of it this year. So, even the playing field, look at the guys the way Basketball itself looks at players..."Who is bringing it today!" Basketball cares little for what you did yesterday.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Weren't we WINNING with these so called bench players anyway....did you forget that....like i said before...remember a guy named Tom Brady, he came in OFF THE HARD BENCH to sub for the hurt STARTER......a closed mind lets in no light.

[green7]

when is the team practice? because the team played (last night against the pistons) like they had an intense practice Saturday,which is pretty dumb if your a vet team and have a game the next day maybe that's the reason this team has been awful.

I'm just assuming

Thursday : played the bulls
Friday : practice
Saturday : practice
sunday : blown out by the pistons

^ i hope that's not how it went down 

[nickagneta]

Im not afraid to blame Doc but if doc was a perfect coach the best I could have seen him winning given the injuries on this team(Pierce to start the season, Rondo mid season, JO on and off all season, Bass now and Ray and KG for assorted games here and there), the poor conditioning of Pierce, JO, and KG, the lack of practices, the definite decline of JO, KG, Ray and Pierce's games, and the condensed seasoned, the best I could see that perfect coach winning is 2-3 more games than we have.

So I blame Doc but I blame Danny, the players and bad luck with a horrible thing happening to Jeff Green before the season even started probably more so.

[celtiberian]

WHAT...DO I suggest the coach do....hahahaha, well...thenks for being so convinced I am the better coach...! Thank you very much..! One thing would be is to watch what SA is doing, another would be to use HIS years of coaching....another is to try diff starting rotations.....the same old 5 is NOT working...need to pair more or some D with some O, those who are stronger on some sides that allow the other sides to play their stronger roles....you'd think I get paid to work all this out.....what a nice idea Mr Poster....!

I like your point with taking example from San Antonio. Have written myself in a couple of places similar words.

And I have taken the point a little further and have included also the Mavs, a team even older than SA and Boston, whose starting lineup ages go from 33 up to almost 39, whose best 6th man is almost 36, and even so, their coach manages to play the younger guys rightly mixed with the older ones. I rooted for them last year, after Miami Hate crushed us, and will root again for them this year. Do not take the last game lost in NY yesterday by the Mavs, any team playing in Mavs place would have lost either. If were the C's who played against NY, what would have been the result if they allowed the low Pistons an advantage of 15 points?

I'm afraid Boston will take a brutal beating tonight. Or may be not so, since the absence of two of the starters will force the coach to make some changes in the lineup. Remember when RR and RA sat for 6 games. C's went 5-1 then.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Doc sure has some odd rotations...