Boston+Chicago Ray Allen for Omer Asik (includes fillers)

[chambers]

Boston sends:

Ray Allen
Avery Bradley
Greg Steimsma
*Maybe a first rounder to sweeten the deal

Chicago sends:

Omer Asik
Ronnie Brewer or Rip Hamilton
CJ Watson


http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6placvj

Realistically I think Chicago doens't pick up the phone unless Rip Hamilton is still injured, but it's only (less than) two weeks till the trade deadline, so they will have to make a serious consideration for replacing him, otherwise they are basically fielding the same playoff team as last year with a weakened Deng (wrist) and possibly Rose (back).

Reasoning:We lose Ray, but we get a legit 7 footer that is a huge upgrade over JO, and now JO can play back up center like we planned in the first place.

I've weighed up what's more important, having a 7 footer like Asik who can finish around the rim and also run the floor vs Ray's 3 point shooting.
I think there's a possibility that using Pietrus or Brewer over Ray on Dwayne Wade defensively gives us a stronger chance against the Heat.
The Bulls move the ball so darn well, even better than us, and Ray would probably get more looks from Roses Penetration and Boozer/Noahs passing ability than he does with us.
We've needed Ray's shooting every playoffs but if we gamble and move Brewer/Hamilton or Pietrus to the starting 2 guard we can have:
Rondo
Pietrus/Hamilton/Brewer
Pierce
KG
Asik.

What most likely happens?
Remember this is predicated on Rip Hamilton still being out come March(Less than 2 weeks away), and if we threw in our lesser first round pick, it might be hard for them to refuse.

[LarBrd33]

I've seen people mention Asik before.  What's the fascination?  He's 25 years old and doing nothing for the Bulls.  Guy was a 2nd rounder, right?  Is there some perceived upside there?

I'm on board with a Ray to Chicago deal though... for any 2 of Brewer, Watson and Korver.  All three of them have unguaranteed contracts next year so essentially they are expiring (so we don't take back salary).  Whoever we get... just buy them out.  Personally I don't know enough about Asik to have any interest in him... I'd just want to receive a late 1st rounder out of it.  It's addition by subtraction... you gain whatever asset you can for Ray (probably gonna lose him this summer anyway) and help your draft position by making the team worse this year.

[chambers]

I've seen people mention Asik before.  What's the fascination?  He's 25 years old and doing nothing for the Bulls.  Guy was a 2nd rounder, right?  Is there some perceived upside there?

I'm on board with a Ray to Chicago deal though... for any 2 of Brewer, Watson and Korver.  All three of them have unguaranteed contracts next year so essentially they are expiring (so we don't take back salary).  Whoever we get... just buy them out.  Personally I don't know enough about Asik to have any interest in him... I'd just want to receive a late 1st rounder out of it.  It's addition by subtraction... you gain whatever asset you can for Ray (probably gonna lose him this summer anyway) and help your draft position by making the team worse this year.

 For me personally there's no fascination with Asik. I am basically thinking of contenders that might get us something in return.
I think we become a stronger playoff team this year, whilst also getting a very solid big for the future or as a nice trade chip. Asik has size, youth and  at this stage is better than JO because of his offensive capabilities.
You mentioned he's a second rounder, I don't really know what that has to do with anything at this stage.
We could get Asik, Brewer and Watson most likely in the suggested trade but I don't want any of those guys other than Asik for the future, we just have to take them on for the salaries to work out.
Use them all in a big move next off season if we need but don't keep them long term, maybe Asik for his size and Brewer if he improves his shot.
Asik is basically something that we can get for Ray this year that may make us better in the playoffs, whilst retaining an asset for future growth- which is something Danny says he wants for the big 3 if they are going to be moved.

[Who]

Chicago don't give up Asik for Ray Allen. He is too valuable.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

This is SO one sided for the Celtics. Chicago won't even think twice to say no.

Asik is starter quality, like Gortat when he's backing up Dwight. Ronnie Brewer is a good defender and a slasher that can start or be off the bench. CJ Watson is productive at backup and can even start on other teams and still be productive. Chicago is giving up way too much here, even with a first rounder from the Celtics won't be enough, not even close.

[chambers]

This is SO one sided for the Celtics. Chicago won't even think twice to say no.

Asik is starter quality, like Gortat when he's backing up Dwight. Ronnie Brewer is a good defender and a slasher that can start or be off the bench. CJ Watson is productive at backup and can even start on other teams and still be productive. Chicago is giving up way too much here, even with a first rounder from the Celtics won't be enough, not even close.

So what do we throw in to make it work?
I'm only including these bench guys to make salary work.
Chicago's title window is about 5-6 years and they are going to  need to make a serious move if Rip Hamilton is still injured.
I mean they could trade all these guys for a younger Ray, but the only way it works for us is by taking on this extra salary for them because Ray is 10 million.

It doesn't have to be Brewer, it can be:
* Asik, Rip and CJ Watson for
Ray, Dooling, Avery, Steimsma and pick.

And also, Asik is good, but not as good as Gortat was in Orlando lol- no where near as good haha.
If you are Chicago, how do you get someone to replace Rip if he's injured (ie taking on his salary AND getting a playoff tested league elite three point shooter?)...
I think you're underestimating Chicago's desperation if Rip is out, they ain't getting to the 'ship with Ronnie Brewer at starting two guard.

[lantinm]

Seriously, what is the fascination with Omer Asik?  I see so many threads on this guy, and he's nothing more than a backup center.  Please stop the madness.......

[thedawg]

I think the idea isnt bad but the deal isnt worth it, especially not throwing yet another first round pick out the window for not much improvement.

I think we should rather hope that the Bucks and NYK will get ahead of us into the playoffs this spring so we can hope for the luck of the lottery balls which we are due. If we could be lucky enough to get 3rd-6th pick we would be taking a big leap forward in the rebuilding AROUND Rondo. Then KG and Ray Allen would, hopefully, be tempted to sign on for much less money so we could recruit better players around and make another go for it. If the top players are for real playing for rings they would sign up for less money here or anywhere else.

And I dont want to hear any more Rondo trades! That does not make sense to trade the cornerstone of the ballclub unless we get ridiculous return.

[Moranis]

Seriously, what is the fascination with Omer Asik?  I see so many threads on this guy, and he's nothing more than a backup center.  Please stop the madness.......

Asik is a very similar player to Perkins.  Very good defender and good rebounder.  He has a more versed offensive game.  And yes he is 25, but it is only his second year in the league, and coming over from a foreign country there is often an adjustment period. 

[chambers]

Seriously, what is the fascination with Omer Asik?  I see so many threads on this guy, and he's nothing more than a backup center.  Please stop the madness.......

It's actually quite simple, there is no fascination.
Quite simply, Asik is a more realistic trade acquisition for one of the big 3, and he fills a void that we are currently desperate to fill in the middle for this year. If we can get anything for Ray's expiring deal, it's worth at least looking at a team that needs him.
 Chicago needs a sharpshooter to get them past Miami, and their off season signing (Hamilton) has been out for a long time. They may be looking to replace him and go after a championship while their window is wide open.
If Rip is out come playoff time, and they don't make a move, they are actually a poorer team than last season due to their injuries, and they got destroyed by a now much improved Miami team last season just like us.

[lantinm]

Seriously, what is the fascination with Omer Asik?  I see so many threads on this guy, and he's nothing more than a backup center.  Please stop the madness.......

Asik is a very similar player to Perkins.  Very good defender and good rebounder.  He has a more versed offensive game.  And yes he is 25, but it is only his second year in the league, and coming over from a foreign country there is often an adjustment period. 

I'm sorry, but I don't see the Perkins comparison at all.  Asik doesn't make you think twice about driving the lane like Perkins does.  He's not as physical and I don't think he's as good as a post or help defender like Perk is/was.  Honestly, I think Semih Erden has just as much upside as Asik.  Chicago would be lucky to get someone like Ray-Ray for the stretch run, and to make it seem like we are getting a steal with Asik is going a bit overboard, imho.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

This is SO one sided for the Celtics. Chicago won't even think twice to say no.

Asik is starter quality, like Gortat when he's backing up Dwight. Ronnie Brewer is a good defender and a slasher that can start or be off the bench. CJ Watson is productive at backup and can even start on other teams and still be productive. Chicago is giving up way too much here, even with a first rounder from the Celtics won't be enough, not even close.

So what do we throw in to make it work?
I'm only including these bench guys to make salary work.
Chicago's title window is about 5-6 years and they are going to  need to make a serious move if Rip Hamilton is still injured.
I mean they could trade all these guys for a younger Ray, but the only way it works for us is by taking on this extra salary for them because Ray is 10 million.

It doesn't have to be Brewer, it can be:
* Asik, Rip and CJ Watson for
Ray, Dooling, Avery, Steimsma and pick.

And also, Asik is good, but not as good as Gortat was in Orlando lol- no where near as good haha.
If you are Chicago, how do you get someone to replace Rip if he's injured (ie taking on his salary AND getting a playoff tested league elite three point shooter?)...
I think you're underestimating Chicago's desperation if Rip is out, they ain't getting to the 'ship with Ronnie Brewer at starting two guard.

Ray + a pick for Brewer or Rip and Watson + their pick I think is enough to be a done deal. Chicago would jump on that deal right away as they believe they are one shooter away from a championship. Asik is a valuable as Gortat, that's what I meant. Having Asik on their bench lets them to allow Noah to be super aggressive on the defensive end. But they could probably for Ray + Steimsma for Asik and pick. But they'd definitely not gonna agree for Brewer, Watson and Asik for Ray and a couple of end bench players.

[chambers]

This is SO one sided for the Celtics. Chicago won't even think twice to say no.

Asik is starter quality, like Gortat when he's backing up Dwight. Ronnie Brewer is a good defender and a slasher that can start or be off the bench. CJ Watson is productive at backup and can even start on other teams and still be productive. Chicago is giving up way too much here, even with a first rounder from the Celtics won't be enough, not even close.

So what do we throw in to make it work?
I'm only including these bench guys to make salary work.
Chicago's title window is about 5-6 years and they are going to  need to make a serious move if Rip Hamilton is still injured.
I mean they could trade all these guys for a younger Ray, but the only way it works for us is by taking on this extra salary for them because Ray is 10 million.

It doesn't have to be Brewer, it can be:
* Asik, Rip and CJ Watson for
Ray, Dooling, Avery, Steimsma and pick.

And also, Asik is good, but not as good as Gortat was in Orlando lol- no where near as good haha.
If you are Chicago, how do you get someone to replace Rip if he's injured (ie taking on his salary AND getting a playoff tested league elite three point shooter?)...
I think you're underestimating Chicago's desperation if Rip is out, they ain't getting to the 'ship with Ronnie Brewer at starting two guard.

Ray + a pick for Brewer or Rip and Watson + their pick I think is enough to be a done deal. Chicago would jump on that deal right away as they believe they are one shooter away from a championship. Asik is a valuable as Gortat, that's what I meant. Having Asik on their bench lets them to allow Noah to be super aggressive on the defensive end. But they could probably for Ray + Steimsma for Asik and pick. But they'd definitely not gonna agree for Brewer, Watson and Asik for Ray and a couple of end bench players.

Yes I know they mightthe deal you are suggesting, but it is not allowed because they are already over the salary cap.
They need to clear an extra 7-8 million of their books to get Ray Allen's 10 million dollar contract.
That's the whole reason I'm suggesting we give them more to take on some more of their mid level salary players.
I don't actually want Brewer($5 million), Watson($3 million) or Korver. (actually Korver would be okay), I just want Asik, and we can only get him by throwing those guys in to make the money numbers work.

[greenpride32]

I'm sorry, but I don't see the Perkins comparison at all.  Asik doesn't make you think twice about driving the lane like Perkins does.  

Guess you missed the Blake throwdown.

[ssspence]

If we're going to trade one of our guys for a big, I'd prefer to trade PP for Jordan. DeAndre, that is.