Anyone who says they would not trade Rondo for Russell Westbrook

[BballTim]

Let's just put it this way; 30 out of 30 GM's would select Westbrook over Rondo; end of discussion.

  Yes, and I'm sure that you asked each and every one of them.

[Moranis]

 Shoot first PG's like Westbrook don't win NBA titles often if at all.  That's just the way it is.  Pass first PG's throughout NBA history have had far more team success then shoot first PG's.

This isn't true.  I responded in the Explain This to Me thread with actual evidence. 

[RedsCeltics34]

Let's just put it this way; 30 out of 30 GM's would select Westbrook over Rondo; end of discussion.

  Yes, and I'm sure that you asked each and every one of them.

Don't be foolish, Its like saying 30 out of 30 GMs would take Durant over Rudy Gay... you don't have to ask them to know that...

[European NBA fan]

 

Let's just put it this way; 30 out of 30 GM's would select Westbrook over Rondo; end of discussion.

  Yes, and I'm sure that you asked each and every one of them.

Don't be foolish, Its like saying 30 out of 30 GMs would take Durant over Rudy Gay... you don't have to ask them to know that...

You are still not looking at the money involved, and you have to do that - or you are the one being foolish. Westbrook gets almost twice the money (80 million over five years), Rondo does.
 
As flawed as Rondo might be perceived he is much better value for money than most of the players out there, who are not on a rookie contract. 

[Celtics18]

Let's just put it this way; 30 out of 30 GM's would select Westbrook over Rondo; end of discussion.

  Yes, and I'm sure that you asked each and every one of them.

Don't be foolish, Its like saying 30 out of 30 GMs would take Durant over Rudy Gay... you don't have to ask them to know that...

Comparing Rondo to Westbrook is nothing like comparing Rudy Gay to Durant.  There is a much more legitimate debate about which of the former pair is the better player. 

Westbrook is a second level star player just like Rondo, and Rudy Gay is at least a tick below both of them.  Kevin Durant is a top 5 player in the league. 

If I had to classify an argument as foolish, I'd say it's yours. 

[Moranis]

Let's just put it this way; 30 out of 30 GM's would select Westbrook over Rondo; end of discussion.

  Yes, and I'm sure that you asked each and every one of them.

Don't be foolish, Its like saying 30 out of 30 GMs would take Durant over Rudy Gay... you don't have to ask them to know that...

You are still not looking at the money involved, and you have to do that - or you are the one being foolish. Westbrook gets almost twice the money (80 million over five years), Rondo does.
 
As flawed as Rondo might be perceived he is much better value for money than most of the players out there, who are not on a rookie contract. 

It isn't twice the money.

After this year, Rondo is at 11, 12, 13.  Even if Westbrook made exactly 16 million a year (which isn't what his contract will be - it will be much lower than that), that is just 5, 4, and 3 million more for a total of just 12 million over the life of Rondo's contract.  But as I said Westbrook's contract while averaging 16 million a year, will start off lower and increase each year.  In other words, the difference between Westbrook and Rondo is at most 4 million a year, which is less than the MLE.  Westbrook is more than that much better than Rondo making it a very easy decision.

[Marcus13]

I wouldn't.  You just can't win in teh playoffs with a selfish, ball-dominant "point guard".

Just like we dont win whenever Rondo goes into Superstar mode

[BballTim]

Let's just put it this way; 30 out of 30 GM's would select Westbrook over Rondo; end of discussion.

  Yes, and I'm sure that you asked each and every one of them.

Don't be foolish, Its like saying 30 out of 30 GMs would take Durant over Rudy Gay... you don't have to ask them to know that...

  In the playoffs last year the Thunder were 7-3 when Westbrook scored under 25 and 2-5 when he scored more than 25. I'd guess that at least a few GMs noticed the results of the games, as opposed to all the posters here who were simply enthralled by the numbers he was putting up.

[RedsCeltics34]

Let's just put it this way; 30 out of 30 GM's would select Westbrook over Rondo; end of discussion.

  Yes, and I'm sure that you asked each and every one of them.

Don't be foolish, Its like saying 30 out of 30 GMs would take Durant over Rudy Gay... you don't have to ask them to know that...

  In the playoffs last year the Thunder were 7-3 when Westbrook scored under 25 and 2-5 when he scored more than 25. I'd guess that at least a few GMs noticed the results of the games, as opposed to all the posters here who were simply enthralled by the numbers he was putting up.

ZzZzZzZz.... Westbrook is a much better player this year (now, started off the year BAD) then he was last season. And I'm not just saying this because of Westbrooks game last night, I would have pulled the trigger ona Rondo for Westbrook trade last year.. during the offseason AND NOW.

[European NBA fan]

Let's just put it this way; 30 out of 30 GM's would select Westbrook over Rondo; end of discussion.

  Yes, and I'm sure that you asked each and every one of them.

Don't be foolish, Its like saying 30 out of 30 GMs would take Durant over Rudy Gay... you don't have to ask them to know that...

You are still not looking at the money involved, and you have to do that - or you are the one being foolish. Westbrook gets almost twice the money (80 million over five years), Rondo does.
 
As flawed as Rondo might be perceived he is much better value for money than most of the players out there, who are not on a rookie contract. 

It isn't twice the money.

After this year, Rondo is at 11, 12, 13.  Even if Westbrook made exactly 16 million a year (which isn't what his contract will be - it will be much lower than that), that is just 5, 4, and 3 million more for a total of just 12 million over the life of Rondo's contract.  But as I said Westbrook's contract while averaging 16 million a year, will start off lower and increase each year.  In other words, the difference between Westbrook and Rondo is at most 4 million a year, which is less than the MLE.  Westbrook is more than that much better than Rondo making it a very easy decision.

Sorry, should have done the calculations myself. I still believe that Rondo has the better value for money, and leaves room for hiring better players (the difference between a role player and an all star, not a MLE player). And the only reason for considering Westbrook is his upside (that he is still improving). We don't know if Rondo actually has a scoring upside, his two career nights this season could suggest that.

[TripleOT]

Westbrook is the better player and Rondo the better PG. The Thunder need a high scoring PG because 3/4ths of their roster doesn't score.  It's a team full of role players with three all around players - Westy, KD and Harden.  They had a fourth, Eric Maynor, who was the best backup PG in the league, but he's gone for the season with a wrecked knee.

So Westbrook needs to hoist 20 shots per game, which he does quite willingly.  The guy puts up great production, 24/5.5/5, and the TOs are a result of him playing high octane, out of control.  He doesn't run a team like a traditional PG, but OKC is one of the top three offensive teams in the league, so he must be doing something right.

Westy has improved his jumper since entering the league, Rondo has not.  Westbrook is the better player right now, and I'd take him even with him to earn more money in the future. 


     

[Inside-Out]

Look, "value for the money" doesn't win games.  It gets you the pre-trade Clippers.

Rondo probably won't win a game for the team by himself.  Westbrook can.

Advantage:  Westbrook.

[BballTim]

Let's just put it this way; 30 out of 30 GM's would select Westbrook over Rondo; end of discussion.

  Yes, and I'm sure that you asked each and every one of them.

Don't be foolish, Its like saying 30 out of 30 GMs would take Durant over Rudy Gay... you don't have to ask them to know that...

  In the playoffs last year the Thunder were 7-3 when Westbrook scored under 25 and 2-5 when he scored more than 25. I'd guess that at least a few GMs noticed the results of the games, as opposed to all the posters here who were simply enthralled by the numbers he was putting up.

ZzZzZzZz.... Westbrook is a much better player this year (now, started off the year BAD) then he was last season. And I'm not just saying this because of Westbrooks game last night, I would have pulled the trigger ona Rondo for Westbrook trade last year.. during the offseason AND NOW.

  This your they're 9-2 when he scores less than 20, 4-3 when he scores more than 30 and the offense plays almost as well when he's on the bench as when he's on the court. He's  very good scorer, but that's the main thing he adds to a team.

[BballTim]

Look, "value for the money" doesn't win games.  It gets you the pre-trade Clippers.

Rondo probably won't win a game for the team by himself.  Westbrook can.

Advantage:  Westbrook.

 Westbrook loses quite a few games by himself as well.

[Marcus13]

Let's just put it this way; 30 out of 30 GM's would select Westbrook over Rondo; end of discussion.

  Yes, and I'm sure that you asked each and every one of them.

And it's just not true.  I am positive Miami, New York, and Dallas would much prefer to have Rondo over Westbrook.  IF you have the offensive firepower around you - you want to add a facilitator, not a scorer who makes boneheaded decisions in crunch time.