do you honestly think DA's still gonna move any of the big 3 this season?

[greenlion]

with the impending trading deadline, all celtics faithful are on a nail-biting binge whether they are seeing the last of the big 3 in the next few days..with the next games being away, its highly likely that their last home game might be their last as celtics..with our recent struggles, so the question is if DA really is "cooking" something or sticking it out with this team, my take is that he sticks and he lets them ride one more time towards the sunset...

[chambers]

with the impending trading deadline, all celtics faithful are on a nail-biting binge whether they are seeing the last of the big 3 in the next few days..with the next games being away, its highly likely that their last home game might be their last as celtics..with our recent struggles, so the question is if DA really is "cooking" something or sticking it out with this team, my take is that he sticks and he lets them ride one more time towards the sunset...

Either get some decent picks for em', or let those horsies ride into the dog meat factory in glory.
I'd love us to get something for the future but they've given me so much as a fan that I'm happy with whatever happens- just don't disgrace them, make it classy.

[cman88]

Unless he gets value in return he's not trading them...he's not going to trade them for 50cents on the dollar and jeopardize our capspace

[greenpride32]

Ray and KG are expiring contracts.  There is no reason for the C's to just say we need to dump their salaries and take the best offer that's out there.  So DA's mindset isn't yes I've decided to break up the team and we'll see what we come up with; it's going to be is there anything out there that makes us better (either this year for for the future).

In my opinion Ray and KG have little value on the trade market.  They are likely bench players for the contending teams (outside of an injury to the preferred starter).  Now as a contending team, what do you give up for a bench player?  Certainly not a young starter, and not any high draft picks.  So the return the C's would get is not very attractive.

My gut tells me Pierce is not on the trade market and ownership is behind him.  Only way out is if he demands it, and I could see ownership being willing to oblige but only under that circumstance.

[greenlion]

with the impending trading deadline, all celtics faithful are on a nail-biting binge whether they are seeing the last of the big 3 in the next few days..with the next games being away, its highly likely that their last home game might be their last as celtics..with our recent struggles, so the question is if DA really is "cooking" something or sticking it out with this team, my take is that he sticks and he lets them ride one more time towards the sunset...

Either get some decent picks for em', or let those horsies ride into the dog meat factory in glory.
I'd love us to get something for the future but they've given me so much as a fan that I'm happy with whatever happens- just don't disgrace them, make it classy.

i couldn't have said it any better sir...they have showered us with so much pride, it's befitting that they be treated with class themselves...

[ManchesterCelticsFan]

My gut tells me Pierce is not on the trade market and ownership is behind him.  Only way out is if he demands it, and I could see ownership being willing to oblige but only under that circumstance.

I agree; Wyc is a Paul Pierce fanboy. I wouldn't want to see Pierce traded unless it were mutually desired, Pierce gets into a good situation with a new team and the C's get a deal they can't refuse if Ainge decides to go to the rebuilding route. That said, it will be a lot easier to trade RA and maybe even KG and his albatross expiring contract. KG is more of a jumpshooter now but can still heavily influence your teams defense.

[Who]

Nope -- I'm sure Danny would love to do so given the C's performance so far but I don't think anyone is going to offer him an attractive enough package in return for Rondo or any of the Big Three.

Everyone stays due to lack of quality offers.

[SHAQATTACK]

Nope.   

He waited too late.  Maybe the pressure was on him , from the owners /fans not to fix it.  Anyway... the last shot , a CP3 rebuild to ease the pain is done and we 'll be seeing a 85% new ballclub in a year I predict.

The season will bear out what the big three are now worth. They will either play for reduced contracts or hit the road .

[PosImpos]

I think he will if there are any deals to be had.  This team has not played consistently enough, and he's made clear in interviews that he doesn't view them as a contending squad right now.  That means he'll be willing to move anybody on the roster if he thinks it'll put us in a better position moving forward.

That might even mean some deals that will give us anything at all in return for one of the old expiring guys. 

There might not be any deals presenting themselves right now, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Danny tries to get in on some multi-team trades happening around the deadline.

Unless the Celtics go on a real run over the next couple of weeks, I wouldn't be at all shocked if there's a big shakeup around the trade deadline.

That said, I also wouldn't be shocked if nothing materializes and Danny decides to just wait out the season and then start over in the summer.

[j804]

I think he will if there are any deals to be had.  This team has not played consistently enough, and he's made clear in interviews that he doesn't view them as a contending squad right now.  That means he'll be willing to move anybody on the roster if he thinks it'll put us in a better position moving forward.

That might even mean some deals that will give us anything at all in return for one of the old expiring guys. 

There might not be any deals presenting themselves right now, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Danny tries to get in on some multi-team trades happening around the deadline.

Unless the Celtics go on a real run over the next couple of weeks, I wouldn't be at all shocked if there's a big shakeup around the trade deadline.

That said, I also wouldn't be shocked if nothing materializes and Danny decides to just wait out the season and then start over in the summer.

Im alright with it going down like this. I am just curious though, would it not be bad thing to ride it out and try and sign Ray and KG on the cheap for next year having them come off the bench in smaller roles? I'd love to have KG next year off the bench

[jdub1660]

This season is a loss anyways. Why not at least try and trade KG and Ray for some talent, and resign them next season on veteran minimum contracts. IMO, Rondo is going nowhere, and DH has little to no real interest in Boston's current roster.
Try and pry away Josh Smith from ATL, Mayo from Memphis, then with KG and Ray resign next year Dwight could have interest.
Rondo Mayo Pierce Smith Howard
Rivers Ray Green Bass JO

[Vermont Green]

One team that makes a ton of sense for Ray Allen is the Chippers but I am not sure what they have to send back.  Jordan would be great but that would just create another hole for them.  It seems that Bledsoe is their expendable chip with some value but he doesn't really help us all that much unless you want to trade Rondo too.  I am not sure it is the time to just start "acquiring assets" but maybe

I still love Deron Williams with a trade based around Rondo and the Clippers pick.  DW makes us better this year and is someone to build around for the future too (best of both worlds).  That is a reasonable start to a trade but we would need to give more.  JaJuan is starting to show some value but we don't have much more in terms of young players.

[GreenEnvy]

Rondo is the only major player that makes sense. Bass maybe.

Pierce is still an All-Star on a pretty reasonable contract compared to guys like Joe Johnson and 'Melo. He is also the captain and the face of the franchise (I know Ainge claims it doesn't matter but he would have to think long and hard before pulling the trigger unlike with Perk or 'Toine).

What can KG and Ray really fetch? I mean they can clearly help a contender, and may even put a really good team into contention. But those teams don't have good-value or high-potential guys.

Rondo can fetch either someone like Nash who makes the team better right now and creates huge cap space next summer. I don't think the Suns are interested in moving him, but if they were and were willing to give up some picks (I don't think they have any really good young players), I'd have to consider it.

Finish out this season with 4 Hall-of-Famers and then make a run at D12 and Dwill to go alongside Pierce.

[PosImpos]

I think he will if there are any deals to be had.  This team has not played consistently enough, and he's made clear in interviews that he doesn't view them as a contending squad right now.  That means he'll be willing to move anybody on the roster if he thinks it'll put us in a better position moving forward.

That might even mean some deals that will give us anything at all in return for one of the old expiring guys. 

There might not be any deals presenting themselves right now, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Danny tries to get in on some multi-team trades happening around the deadline.

Unless the Celtics go on a real run over the next couple of weeks, I wouldn't be at all shocked if there's a big shakeup around the trade deadline.

That said, I also wouldn't be shocked if nothing materializes and Danny decides to just wait out the season and then start over in the summer.

Im alright with it going down like this. I am just curious though, would it not be bad thing to ride it out and try and sign Ray and KG on the cheap for next year having them come off the bench in smaller roles? I'd love to have KG next year off the bench

I don't see the point in doing that, honestly, unless we land a superstar free agent (or via trade) this summer (can't imagine how we would).  Ray and KG coming off the bench doesn't make much sense for a rebuilding team.  Better to give those minutes to rookies or other young players.

I feel the same way about keeping Pierce . . . he doesn't make much sense on a rebuilding team.  Better to trade him elsewhere so he can spend the last few years of his career competing.

[LooseCannon]

With the right free agent (Dwight Howard), this team is a legitimate contender in 2012-2013 with room for Garnett and Allen.  The Celtics can also use their cap space to absorb a big contract.

If not, then signing Garnett and Allen to one-year deals, creating a similar cap situation for the 2013 off-season, may make sense.

I think that the logical mid-season trade involving Ray Allen is something like him and Stiemsma to New Jersey for Mehmet Okur, DeShawn Stevenson, and a second round pick with the Celtics taking back bigger expiring contracts and effectively buying a pick.  I think it possible that the Celtics could get more if they worked a sign-and-trade for Ray Allen in the off-season.

The combination of these possibilities makes me believe that not trading Ray Allen mid-season is probably the best course to take.  KG's contract is difficult to trade and would mainly be used as trade ballast to bring a big contract back to Boston, but the Celtics lack additional assets to do such a trade.  It makes more sense to trade Pierce during the off-season and I actually think it makes the most sense to trade him on draft day 2013, when a team can acquire him and cut him before the final year of his contract is guaranteed.  We'll see how much of a trade market there is for such deals when the Mavericks try to move Lamar Odom.  Dallas got a year of Tyson Chandler when they did more or less the same thing with Erick Dampier's unguaranteed final year.

I think I'd be happy if the Celtics used their cap space to sign Ryan Anderson ($11m/year sounds right) and Omer Asik (for less than Darko money) and brought back Garnett and Allen on short contracts.  Probably Wilcox, since Asik seems unlikely to be able to give 30 minutes a night.  And there would still be room for a few bench role players making more than the minimum.  A few solid draft picks who can crack Doc's rotation and I believe the Celtics would be legitimate contenders.