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[Opinion] [Long rant] Doc you stubborn son of a gun
« on: February 18, 2012, 10:35:56 AM »

Offline bfrombleacher

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The big three era is over. Right now, its fairly obvious the Celtics are transitioning into the Rondo era (or at least post big three era). Rondo has been putting up all-star+ numbers (having recently logged yet another triple double). And yet we're still on a losing streak.

So why are we losing?

Doc will go all in to win night in night out (even when asked to tank). But the problem is he has trying to win with what's been working for him in the past but what's been working does not work anymore. While the team has transitioned away from 2008, Doc is still in '08 mode.

Is it because Doc is incapable of running a team with this amount of talent? Is it because Doc is a bad coach and all of the credit was undeserved in '08?

I say no.

The team has had a much better record with major injuries than without. The injuries have forced Doc to actually coach again and be creative.

But the moment the players started getting healthy, he went right back to his once-winning formula.

Run Ray through screens. Occasionally run a pick and roll with Rondo and KG. Tough defense with Thibs's system. Are we down? Put in JO to stop the bleeding. We're down more! Big 4 on the floor.

4th quarter with a double digit deficit!? Time to mix it up...Ray, Pierce, Kevin, Rondo and Baby---I mean Bass.


It worked in 08. It worked in 09. It worked when we had Shaq in 10. 11-12?

It’s becoming more and more obvious the big 3 are on the back end of their career.

What’s more, our only true center is being held together with scotch tape, blu-tacs, thumb tacs, PVA glue, elastic bands and Papier-mâché.

JO

15 years pro and 33. That translates to about twenty thousand years old in NBA player age.

I have been cussing at the televised image of JO (or the fossil of the man) for pretty much every single game he's played this season.

But I've realized that he's not the one making the decisions. Its not his fault he's on the floor. He doesn't know any better.

Its Doc's fault for putting him in.

When we have 4 power forwards, 3 of whom have the legs to run with Rondo (KG still has a little bit), I cannot fathom why JO is getting any more than 15.

Some of you may argue that without JO, our defense would collapse. KG is our defensive anchor.

JO is getting blown by by the likes of Joakim Noah.

JO is like a bandage for our center problem who himself is being held together and saran wrapped by an assortment of bandages. You play him 5, 10, 15 minutes against the likes of Bynum, he'll give you one or two good plays and stop the bleeding. Any more and you'll be treated to a healthy dose of not finishing the easiest of shots and just generally sucking the energy out of our team.

And Rondo should never be on the floor at the same time as JO. JO clogs up the lane. What happened when JO was injured? Rondo rocked the house. You sprinkle in KG and Bass and you have nobody to score on the inside. Perfect.

Embrace the fact that you have 4 power forwards and go small.

Those dang plays

Ray running through screens, while still a very pretty sight to behold, has become increasingly guardable. Running the same plays with the exact same personnel tends to do that.

At the end of the fourth, Rondo is still on the top of the key, Pierce still isolating and we're still not scoring. News flash: Pierce can run the point. Rondo can post up (and apparently has had that in his arsenal since the beginning of the season). We don't have to go to the big 4 + Bass. We have Pietrus. We have Wilcox.

How about them young ones?

Dooling ran the point against the Bulls. Disaster. Not saying I don't like him now but as it turns out, he's Nate at 6'3 who drives more (I do like the energy though).

Playing him alongside, say, Smooge would have made sense. Someone with a better knack for running the point.

Avery Bradley brought so much energy when he finally found his role.

And Jajuan proved all the doubters wrong didn't he?

Its a compressed season and our main guys are playing garbage with probably tons of hidden ailments. Our rooks have showed up big when called up.

Play them. If not now, when?




Doc has a Swiss army knife at the point, 2 guard and the 4 and yet he's using his rusty old spork. The same plays, same lineups, same players is just not going to work. We still have the talent but we'll need more from Doc.

What we have over the Heat, Bulls, Knicks is some quite remarkable versatility from the bench and Doc's smarts (the guy did outcoach Phil Jackson in a series).

Just look at Pop. The Spurs have aged just as much as we have but are having a heck of a season.

Doc, stop being stubborn and start actually coaching.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2012, 04:17:54 AM by bfrombleacher »

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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2012, 03:40:49 AM »

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i literally lolled at "JO being held together by thumb tacs and paper mache"


but come on, you got to give JO credit. he does whatever he can with the corpse he has. hes been taking some charges and ive been impressed with that.

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2012, 04:23:02 AM »

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i literally lolled at "JO being held together by thumb tacs and paper mache"


but come on, you got to give JO credit. he does whatever he can with the corpse he has. hes been taking some charges and ive been impressed with that.

He's old and its not his fault. Doc is to blame for not recognizing that he can't take much more than 15 a game. Wilcox and KG should play more center. Heck even Bass might do a better job guarding legit centers than a tired JO.

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2012, 08:37:29 AM »

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Any chance Doc is working with ulterior motives? 

Showcasing Dooling as back and at least healthy for a trade in March?  Demonstrating to Wyc for Danny that the Old Four don't have a chance this year?  Forcing any of the young ones to further tweak their games before getting consistent minutes?

I really think he'd rather be playing Bradley than Dooling at this point.  The other situations I'm not so sure of.

Re: [Opinion] [Long rant] Doc you stubborn son of a gun
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2012, 09:52:39 AM »

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i have to marvel with the imagination, but i sincerely believe this team has too much pride to be tanking for a good spot in the draft, which is really no guarantee too..i expect more faith, but sadly....
"talent is not enough - I always admired the ones with heart..."

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2012, 10:08:15 AM »

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  Great post bfrombleacher  +1

This is Doc.  I have come to grips with it.  I think he is a really good coach bordering on great.  He knows how to handle the modern athlete.  Players love playing for him. 

His weakness to me is he doesn't play younger guys until someone gets hurt or they earn in in his eyes.  It took injuries to get Al Jefferson, Perkins, Rondo, Gomes, Powe and other young players on the floor.  He trusts his veterans more then he should trust them at this point because they aren't the players they were two years ago. 

  Maybe he knows it is over but respects them too much to shake things up and is waiting on Ainge at the deadline or the off season to shake things up for him?  He and these veterans have been through a lot together.  It is natural for him to be attached.

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2012, 10:17:57 AM »

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It's Doc's job to do the best with what we have.
And that's what he does.

Come playoff time he will be using the best 7-8 players (maybe 9) that we have.

He hasn't had a solid chance or decent stretch of games to do this with yet this season, and I don't know if he'll get a chance. Next year is the when the scrubs/rookies get their chance.
Right now, we are trying to win with what is the best possible squad, we aren't in training for next season. Bradley and Johnson and Moore aren't taking us to the second round of the playoffs or further.
Now our starting 5 might not either, but they sure as hell have a better chance than Steimsma, Marquis, Avery, JJJ and Moore.

Rose's back is screwed, Deng's wrist is hurting. If Wade or Lebron goes down in any way around playoff time, ANYTHING can happen. Look what happened to us in 2010 in the finals? or Rondo's arm last year when we thought we might be in with a shot?

Just get this squad to the playoffs with a good rotation and appreciate the last good(winning) season we are going to have for quite some time.
We were trying to be like the Mavs last year, unfortunately things didn't work out and, we have no Jeff Green, no David West, and Jermaine Oneal playing the part of Tyson Chandler. Danny may try and rectify this problem come March.
Personally I'm going to enjoy watching them and know that we can wipe the slate clean next year if need be.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2012, 10:23:53 AM by chambers »
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2012, 10:58:39 AM »

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Team is going no were as long as stubborn Doc continually plays JO a.k.a. Mark Blount. As I have said before the man that changed the Toine mindset was not Doc but KG.

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2012, 11:11:32 AM »

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I want everyone to know while I fully support long therapeutic rants I'm not likely to read them and I myself have decided to go more with snarky comments. It's just faster is all. I don't mean it personally