JO is Awful

[celts55]

Sorry. I just had to write it because it's true.

[Greenbean]

This might be the first ever unanimously agreed upon thread.

[MetroGlobe]

I completely agree.  I would much rather JJJ gets every minute that JO would get, even if it means there's a tiny bit of defensive slippage.  Because JJJ needs the experience and the playtime.

One of the reasons we were able to flip Al Jefferson for KG, was because he got a ton of playing time early in his career and was seen as having a big upside.  JJJ needs to be showcased in the same way, even if Danny never plans on trading him.  Because free agents considering Boston also look at the young pieces in place when deciding where to sign long term contracts.  Playing JO does absolutely nothing for us in the present OR the future.

[Fafnir]

Yeah O'Neal should be transitioned to our backup C very quickly if Wilcox keeps playing well.

[Marcus13]

True.  But I think we all knew we shouldnt have given him a two-year deal when he was signed.

We went all in for last year - JO's contract is just another example of that

[PosImpos]

Yeah, Wilcox should definitely start.

I'd be fine with JO getting 10-15 minutes a game at most.

[LooseCannon]

This might be the first ever unanimously agreed upon thread.

I'm going to disagree.  JO is still a useful player (when healthy). Among players with 300 or more minutes, he's around 12th in block percentage (estimated percentage of two-point field goals blocked by the player).  He's not great, but he's a credible rebounder.  He draws charges.

He's worse than the average starting center and better than the average backup center.  That's not an awful player and I wouldn't hate bringing him back next season for the minimum salary to play the sort of minutes and games that Jeff Foster plays in Indiana.

[PosImpos]

This might be the first ever unanimously agreed upon thread.

I'm going to disagree.  JO is still a useful player (when healthy). Among players with 300 or more minutes, he's around 12th in block percentage (estimated percentage of two-point field goals blocked by the player).  He's not great, but he's a credible rebounder.  He draws charges.

He's worse than the average starting center and better than the average backup center.  That's not an awful player and I wouldn't hate bringing him back next season for the minimum salary to play the sort of minutes and games that Jeff Foster plays in Indiana.

I think almost all people here would agree, though, that it's not a good thing for him to play anywhere close to starter minutes. 

Given the Big 3's decline, I don't think we can afford to have a player whose only real value is on the defensive end -- especially in the fourth quarter, when Rondo tends to be a liability on that end as well.

[kozlodoev]

This might be the first ever unanimously agreed upon thread.

I'm going to disagree.  JO is still a useful player (when healthy). Among players with 300 or more minutes, he's around 12th in block percentage (estimated percentage of two-point field goals blocked by the player).  He's not great, but he's a credible rebounder.  He draws charges.

He's worse than the average starting center and better than the average backup center.  That's not an awful player and I wouldn't hate bringing him back next season for the minimum salary to play the sort of minutes and games that Jeff Foster plays in Indiana.

I think almost all people here would agree, though, that it's not a good thing for him to play anywhere close to starter minutes. 

Given the Big 3's decline, I don't think we can afford to have a player whose only real value is on the defensive end -- especially in the fourth quarter, when Rondo tends to be a liability on that end as well.

He actually isn't playing starter minutes (23 mpg at this point).

[green7]

agreed would rather wilcox @ starting center

[Finkelskyhook]

True.  But I think we all knew we shouldnt have given him a two-year deal when he was signed.

We went all in for last year - JO's contract is just another example of that

Problem with that theory is that anybody who knows his history knew he would tank the first year. 

[CelticG1]

I thought JOwas going to be surprisingly very good this year but I was wrong. Really wouldn't be that frustrating if he just rebounded adequately and could hit that normal mid range jumper that hes hit his while career.

Its not even close how much better Sheed was than JO has.been. I would take sheeds seasonin a heart beat over JOs. Guy played every game, great in the post even of only twice a game, at least as good defense, and could hit a jumper

[LooseCannon]

I think almost all people here would agree, though, that it's not a good thing for him to play anywhere close to starter minutes. 

Given the Big 3's decline, I don't think we can afford to have a player whose only real value is on the defensive end -- especially in the fourth quarter, when Rondo tends to be a liability on that end as well.

20-25 minutes per game is a reasonable number for him.  Which, as pointed out, is what he is doing.

But that's part of why Kendrick Perkins is no longer a Celtic.

[vinnie]

I loved his two big rebounds last night. The guy blocks shots and takes charges. I guess that is good. He is a liability big time on offense.

[Taklamar]

Bah, we can't have a thread with unanimous feelings towards a player, booooring!

I didn't get to see last night's game (MN here), but looking at the box score;

J.O. 22 mins +5
J.J. 25 mins -15
G.S. 13 mins -10

For all of his faults, with 22 minutes of play, the Celtics were up by 5.  The 26 minutes he was on the bench, the Celtics were -15.  Dunno if it was good/bad timing on streaks or what, but you can't blame him for the loss last night; the team was winning with him on the court.  Unless you think in his 22 minutes of play the Celtics should of been up by 16 to cover for the time he was off the court.

His offense is terrible.  Though looking at his career, his teams haven't produced with him on the court (career 101 Off rating, oofta).