How would NBA top players fair given the Rondo treatment?

[vinnie]

You know what they say about big hands........................

[the_Bird]

You know what they say about big hands........................

....   it's hard to find gloves that fit?

[mgent]

If they got the same treatment as Rondo from the refs, Rondo would be a top 10 player.

[BballTim]

You know what they say about big hands........................

....   it's hard to find gloves that fit?

  And if those gloves don't fit, you must acquit.

[Celtics18]

For Westbrook, I'm guessing about 22.9 PPG, 5.7 APG, 4.3 TOPG, with a field goal percentage of about .466 and a three point percentage of about .281.

 

[EvilEmpire]

People seemed to go the extra mile to point out Rondo's weakness but not his strengths. Somehow these same rules/standards are not applied to the rest of the team? Why not?

O'Neil - 5 pts and 5 boards in 23 mins Perkins 2.0. His 2 years in Boston have been his worst statical years since 2000-01.

Ray's weakness - does nothing but shoot and has a hard time creating his own shot. Worst scoring year for Ray since his rookie year, then add in less then 3 assists and 3 rebounds a game. Not a great defender either.

KG - for a PF most of his shoot come from outside the paint. Since KG's rookie year this is his worst year ever for points and rebounds.

PP - points are just a hair down but his assists are up this year from the previous 2 and boards are about the same as ever at 5.5 /gm.

Rondo - 3rd on the team scoring even though his shot is iffy from the outside but this is his best year ever for scoring. This is also his 2nd best year for rebounds and assists for him. So to sum that up Rondo is 3rd on the team for pts , 2nd for FG %, 1st assists, 5th in boards.

So of course all this leads to Celtics suck = Rondo's fault. Celtics were 22-4 last year at this same point but it was man Rondo is awesome and blah blah blah. This year Celtics suck and its all Rondo's fault. Its not Doc's faults for running pick and pops for out PF to take a 20 footer for half of his shots or for having the whole team run screens for Ray so he can get his shot off. Doc's needs to come up with set plays for Rondo to get him to hoop period. Doc's need to come up with plays for KG to take shots in the paint.

Can we just merge all the Rondo suck/ Rondo analysis threads into one.

[Capricious]

For Westbrook, I'm guessing about 22.9 PPG, 5.7 APG, 4.3 TOPG, with a field goal percentage of about .466 and a three point percentage of about .281.

 

Hah, exactly.

Westbrook is on the same level (or maybe even worse) of a jump shooter as Rondo, but everyone ignores that fact because he chucks with no conscious and you just remember his makes.

Rose is a little better, but not by leaps and bounds.

[rickyfan3.0...]

I can't tell: Is this a serious thread? It is like a random comment, followed by a list of 759 names.

[PosImpos]

  Not sure the point of the thread. Did you just notice that Rondo's not a great outside shooter?

  You could flip it around though. Take any point guard on the list and give them "the Rondo treatment" so they aren't guarded closely on the perimeter. Also, give them Rondo's outside shot and free throw shooting. How many of them are still all-star caliber players? How many of them can still have an impact on their offense similar to what they have now?

  Paul, Nash and Curry are almost exclusively jump shooters. Rose, Westbrook and Parker would have a harder time getting to the rim if their defenders backed off a little. Every player in that list would have a much harder time getting assists as they'd basically be passing against what they do now plus 1 "roaming defender". Could any of them still run an offense effectively?

TP - Thank you. This thread seems a little snarky to me. If you don't like Rondo, stand in line and stop creating new threads about how horrible he is. We are lucky to have such a unique player and if we trade him, it better be for somebody better than Gortat and Varejao.

  At least it's fairly interesting IMO. What would happen if CP3 or Nash could take as many wide open shots as they wanted is pretty obvious. How they would fare without good jump shot or ft% is another matter. Would Nash even be in the league?

Nash would probably be a career backup.

It is kind of interesting, but then, it's also kind of silly.  What would Kyle Korver do if he couldn't hit 3s?  He'd coach a high school basketball team.

A lot of the superstars mentioned would still be very good if they couldn't shoot, though their careers would undoubtedly not last as long.

But it's hard to be an elite offensive player if you can't punish defenses for playing off you.

[PosImpos]

For Westbrook, I'm guessing about 22.9 PPG, 5.7 APG, 4.3 TOPG, with a field goal percentage of about .466 and a three point percentage of about .281.

  

We've all very quickly forgotten the dagger pull-up 3's Westbrook hit to sink the C's earlier this season, I see.


Westbrook is not a great shooter, but he is OODLES (that's a scientific measurement, i believe) better than Rondo.  He certainly seems to think he's a better shooter than he is, though. 

Westbrook could use some of Rondo's restraint and Rondo could use some of Westbrook's confidence (at least as far as shooting / attacking the basket is concerned).

[soap07]

How they would fare without good jump shot or ft% is another matter. Would Nash even be in the league?

Nash/CP3 have a lot of quickness that I reckon would make them solid starters still. Their court visions are still tops in the league. Probably a Ray Felton level talent. (Not that Felton has great court vision, but similar production to his last year on the Bobcats.)

[BballTim]

For Westbrook, I'm guessing about 22.9 PPG, 5.7 APG, 4.3 TOPG, with a field goal percentage of about .466 and a three point percentage of about .281.

  

We've all very quickly forgotten the dagger pull-up 3's Westbrook hit to sink the C's earlier this season, I see.


Westbrook is not a great shooter, but he is OODLES (that's a scientific measurement, i believe) better than Rondo.  He certainly seems to think he's a better shooter than he is, though. 

Westbrook could use some of Rondo's restraint and Rondo could use some of Westbrook's confidence (at least as far as shooting / attacking the basket is concerned).

  We haven't all forgotten that Westbrook hit some big threes against the Celts. But some of us knew that he was hitting less than 25% of them for the year up to then, and that he wasn't really looking for better options in spite of that.

[PosImpos]

For Westbrook, I'm guessing about 22.9 PPG, 5.7 APG, 4.3 TOPG, with a field goal percentage of about .466 and a three point percentage of about .281.

 

We've all very quickly forgotten the dagger pull-up 3's Westbrook hit to sink the C's earlier this season, I see.


Westbrook is not a great shooter, but he is OODLES (that's a scientific measurement, i believe) better than Rondo.  He certainly seems to think he's a better shooter than he is, though. 

Westbrook could use some of Rondo's restraint and Rondo could use some of Westbrook's confidence (at least as far as shooting / attacking the basket is concerned).

  We haven't all forgotten that Westbrook hit some big threes against the Celts. But some of us knew that he was hitting less than 25% of them for the year up to then, and that he wasn't really looking for better options in spite of that.

My point is Rondo could not have done what Westbrook did.  He doesn't have that in his game.

Westbrook's percentages are low because he shoots too much, not because he's that terrible a shooter.

[BballTim]

How they would fare without good jump shot or ft% is another matter. Would Nash even be in the league?

Nash/CP3 have a lot of quickness that I reckon would make them solid starters still. Their court visions are still tops in the league. Probably a Ray Felton level talent. (Not that Felton has great court vision, but similar production to his last year on the Bobcats.)

  Paul has that kind of quickness. Nash has never really been an "attack the rim" kind of player.

[BballTim]

For Westbrook, I'm guessing about 22.9 PPG, 5.7 APG, 4.3 TOPG, with a field goal percentage of about .466 and a three point percentage of about .281.

 

We've all very quickly forgotten the dagger pull-up 3's Westbrook hit to sink the C's earlier this season, I see.


Westbrook is not a great shooter, but he is OODLES (that's a scientific measurement, i believe) better than Rondo.  He certainly seems to think he's a better shooter than he is, though. 

Westbrook could use some of Rondo's restraint and Rondo could use some of Westbrook's confidence (at least as far as shooting / attacking the basket is concerned).

  We haven't all forgotten that Westbrook hit some big threes against the Celts. But some of us knew that he was hitting less than 25% of them for the year up to then, and that he wasn't really looking for better options in spite of that.

My point is Rondo could not have done what Westbrook did.  He doesn't have that in his game.

  My point was you saw a game where Westbrook was hitting those shots, but there are clearly more games where he's missing them but takes them anyways.

Westbrook's percentages are low because he shoots too much, not because he's that terrible a shooter.

  Shooting more can help your percentages because you get into a rhythm, I've never heard anyone try and argue that simply taking more shots lowers your fg%. At best he's a terrible shooter with bad shot selection.