Pistons (8-21) at Celtics (15-12) 2/15

[European NBA fan]

I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.

Yeah, he's making them tonight. He's also 0/3 on his jumpers in the 4th quarter now.

Where was he in the Lakers game down the stretch? Running the ball on offense down to 8 seconds on the shot clock with Kobe playing 10 ft off him clanking jumpers.

Show me you are consistent, and I'll back off.

And you have nothing to say about the efforts of Paul and Ray tonight? Rondo is the reason we lost? Really?

Give me a break.

What was EVERYONE's complaint after the Lakers game? Rondo's man plays 10ft off him, playing centerfield and denying Pierce getting to the hoop and Ray coming clean off of picks.

How is that ANY different tonight besides the fact that he was hitting his jumpshot which he consistently has never done.

Who is everyone? It wasn't my complaint. My complaint was the lack of rebounding and the amount of second chance buckets the Lakers got.

Rondo's man plays 10 ft off him denying Pierce and Ray their shots. Cool. I get it. What else is he supposed to do other than make the shots they're leaving him open for???

Thats great. The sentence "Rondo making open jumpers" is not something you hear ever. If he can be consistent with it, fine, but history says he can't.

This team plays better on offense when the ball runs through Paul Pierce's hands which they didn't start trying to do untill 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. How does Pierce get his offense going that way?

Rondo was making his shots for the first 3 quarters and then its not there in the 4th and they collapse on offense because there was no ryhtym.

And I know you aren't everyone, but you just happened to jump in on the discussion, but more or less its what I read here post Lakers game.

Pierce had the ball plenty in his hands, when Rondo posted up in the first half. The only good thing he did with it was giving it to Rondo.

[mqtcelticsfan]

Ben Gordon underachieves all year but then goes ham tonight smh unbelievable and we're not a better team when Rondo takes nearly 30 shots Pierce nd Ray were in a horrible rhythm cuz Rondo was overly aggressive

agree, Rondo needs to be aggressive but make sure ray and pierce get in the game

So basically Rondo needs to put up 30 points and 15 assists a night...

[PosImpos]

So, I didn't watch the game.  Can somebody tell me how we managed to lose to the Pistons?

[GrandTheftRondo]

I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.

Yeah, he's making them tonight. He's also 0/3 on his jumpers in the 4th quarter now.

Where was he in the Lakers game down the stretch? Running the ball on offense down to 8 seconds on the shot clock with Kobe playing 10 ft off him clanking jumpers.

Show me you are consistent, and I'll back off.

And you have nothing to say about the efforts of Paul and Ray tonight? Rondo is the reason we lost? Really?

Give me a break.

What was EVERYONE's complaint after the Lakers game? Rondo's man plays 10ft off him, playing centerfield and denying Pierce getting to the hoop and Ray coming clean off of picks.

How is that ANY different tonight besides the fact that he was hitting his jumpshot which he consistently has never done.

Who is everyone? It wasn't my complaint. My complaint was the lack of rebounding and the amount of second chance buckets the Lakers got.

Rondo's man plays 10 ft off him denying Pierce and Ray their shots. Cool. I get it. What else is he supposed to do other than make the shots they're leaving him open for???

Thats great. The sentence "Rondo making open jumpers" is not something you hear ever. If he can be consistent with it, fine, but history says he can't.

This team plays better on offense when the ball runs through Paul Pierce's hands which they didn't start trying to do untill 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. How does Pierce get his offense going that way?

Rondo was making his shots for the first 3 quarters and then its not there in the 4th and they collapse on offense because there was no ryhtym.

And I know you aren't everyone, but you just happened to jump in on the discussion, but more or less its what I read here post Lakers game.

Before I respond are you saying the offense runs smoother with PP as the point-forward?

[Celts Fan 92]

I disagree, a lot.  We WANT Rondo to be aggressive.  RA / PP need to make an impact to the game in another way when someone is on fire offensively.  To much standing around by PP / RA in the 3rd and 4th quarter.  Find a way to make an impact and make a play.  Rondo playing well doesn't stop them from playing well.  No way.

Ben Gordon underachieves all year but then goes ham tonight smh unbelievable and we're not a better team when Rondo takes nearly 30 shots Pierce nd Ray were in a horrible rhythm cuz Rondo was overly aggressive

Im not blaming Rondo it's not a coincidence whenever Rondo scores a bunch of points the rest of the big 3 dont play good he doesnt co-exist well with the other guys they work better when he's a distributor I'm NEVER comfortable wit a point guard takin 30 shots

[PosImpos]

Nevermind, I see that we had another awful fourth quarter.  Ho hum.

[JOMVP]

I look foward to this loss being somehow blamed on Rondo...

Allow me.

In short, I believe his offense has ran the team right out of rythm tonight.

All Rondo did tonight was make shots that he normally doesn't make. If he was taking those jump shots and they weren't falling we'd be having the same discussion as we normally are. He dribbled the ball on the shot clock down to 5/6 seconds every trip and didn't get Ray and Pierce in rythm.

Defensive end. Hasn't denied Stuckey the ball all night.

People complain he doesn't take wide open jumpshots he's allowed all game...he takes them (and makes them), and it's his fault the team is out of rhythm.

People complain he doesn't attack the basket enough, he is aggressive all night and now that's taking away shots from Pierce and Ray.

Whatever man, I'm resigned to the fact that people will blame all of the teams problems on Rondo no matter how he plays.

Yeah, he's making them tonight. He's also 0/3 on his jumpers in the 4th quarter now.

Where was he in the Lakers game down the stretch? Running the ball on offense down to 8 seconds on the shot clock with Kobe playing 10 ft off him clanking jumpers.

Show me you are consistent, and I'll back off.

And you have nothing to say about the efforts of Paul and Ray tonight? Rondo is the reason we lost? Really?

Give me a break.

What was EVERYONE's complaint after the Lakers game? Rondo's man plays 10ft off him, playing centerfield and denying Pierce getting to the hoop and Ray coming clean off of picks.

How is that ANY different tonight besides the fact that he was hitting his jumpshot which he consistently has never done.

Who is everyone? It wasn't my complaint. My complaint was the lack of rebounding and the amount of second chance buckets the Lakers got.

Rondo's man plays 10 ft off him denying Pierce and Ray their shots. Cool. I get it. What else is he supposed to do other than make the shots they're leaving him open for???

Thats great. The sentence "Rondo making open jumpers" is not something you hear ever. If he can be consistent with it, fine, but history says he can't.

This team plays better on offense when the ball runs through Paul Pierce's hands which they didn't start trying to do untill 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. How does Pierce get his offense going that way?

Rondo was making his shots for the first 3 quarters and then its not there in the 4th and they collapse on offense because there was no ryhtym.

And I know you aren't everyone, but you just happened to jump in on the discussion, but more or less its what I read here post Lakers game.

Before I respond are you saying the offense runs smoother with PP as the point-forward?

We won what, 8 games in a row that way? I believe that, but thats my opinion just like everything else.

[Celts Fan 92]

Ben Gordon underachieves all year but then goes ham tonight smh unbelievable and we're not a better team when Rondo takes nearly 30 shots Pierce nd Ray were in a horrible rhythm cuz Rondo was overly aggressive

agree, Rondo needs to be aggressive but make sure ray and pierce get in the game

So basically Rondo needs to put up 30 points and 15 assists a night...

Nah wat I'm sayin is Pierce nd Allen are rhythm players if you get them involved in the game and touches early they are more effective better on D and the offense flows smoother Ray was barely gettin looks nd Pierce got put in some end of the clock situations nd gettin doubled

[ejk3489]

Nevermind, I see that we had another awful fourth quarter.  Ho hum.

Eh, that wasn't the only reason...we were horrible defensively pretty much all game, and Ray/Pierce both had off games tonight. We really should've been leading by at least 10 going into the fourth.

[mqtcelticsfan]

Nah wat I'm sayin is Pierce nd Allen are rhythm players if you get them involved in the game and touches early they are more effective better on D and the offense flows smoother Ray was barely gettin looks nd Pierce got put in some end of the clock situations nd gettin doubled

On the other hand, if Rondo is able to get into the type of rhythm he was in tonight, with the obvious advantage over Knight, we need to exploit that. If Ray and Pierce play worse on defense because Rondo is scoring, we have a much bigger problem.

[snively]

Nevermind, I see that we had another awful fourth quarter.  Ho hum.

It was more than that.  The wheels came off in the 4th,  when we couldn't score with a PP/Bradley/Dooling backcourt, our transition D fell apart and the Pistons bigs finally took advantage of our weakness on the defensive boards, but it was a defensive trainwreck all night. 

Ray was helpless against Stuckey or Gordon and our bigs were nowhere to be found when it came to rotating on pick and roll coverage and helping when the guards got beat. 

JO was pretty disappointing too.  Let Monroe out of the box early and was generally ignored by the Piston guards.

[Celts Fan 92]

Nah wat I'm sayin is Pierce nd Allen are rhythm players if you get them involved in the game and touches early they are more effective better on D and the offense flows smoother Ray was barely gettin looks nd Pierce got put in some end of the clock situations nd gettin doubled

On the other hand, if Rondo is able to get into the type of rhythm he was in tonight, with the obvious advantage over Knight, we need to exploit that. If Ray and Pierce play worse on defense because Rondo is scoring, we have a much bigger problem.

yea it wasnt an ineffecient 35 points so like I said i aint blaming him but something is wrong either a move needs to be made or they need to co-exist better

[PosImpos]

Nevermind, I see that we had another awful fourth quarter.  Ho hum.

It was more than that.  The wheels came off in the 4th,  when we couldn't score with a PP/Bradley/Dooling backcourt, our transition D fell apart and the Pistons bigs finally took advantage of our weakness on the defensive boards, but it was a defensive trainwreck all night. 

Ray was helpless against Stuckey or Gordon and our bigs were nowhere to be found when it came to rotating on pick and roll coverage and helping when the guards got beat. 

JO was pretty disappointing too.  Let Monroe out of the box early and was generally ignored by the Piston guards.

Yeah, my feeling is that Wilcox and JO are probably just not a very good combination, especially against teams with quicker frontcourts.

[greenpride32]

Im not blaming Rondo it's not a coincidence whenever Rondo scores a bunch of points the rest of the big 3 dont play good he doesnt co-exist well with the other guys they work better when he's a distributor I'm NEVER comfortable wit a point guard takin 30 shots

This was exactly the Pistons game plan, and well it worked.  Let the Rondo's J beat us, and not Pierce and Allen by doubling them.  To Rondo's credit he made the most of his opportunities tonight.  But if he's not involving our other players it's as useless as Carmelo hogging the ball (ie it fills the stat sheet but doesn't win you ball games).

[gar]

Doc out coached by Frank or did he just not have the right matchups tonight?

Frank conceded the PG matchup to Rondo; but clearly had an advantage at PF and SG.