Ray's Efficiency Rating the last 5 games

[Smitty77]

Ray Allen's efficiency rating average over the last five games is 9.40.  That is good for a ROLE PLAYER off the bench, but absolutely HORRIBLE for a starter!!

Why is he RARELY or NEVER given any blame for our sometimes lackluster play?

Smitty77

P.S.  Agree with those of you saying to start Pietrus.

[theswitch]

He's a shooter, and shooters are streaky and don't create their own shots. He started out the year on an unbelievable hot streak, and now he's cooled off. It's pretty assumed that he's cyclical.

[PosImpos]

Because a big part of the reason his efficiency rating is so low is that he takes so few shots while he's on the floor and he doesn't impact the box score much except for his scoring.  Ray is a pure shooter, plain and simple, and he needs to get his shots to get in rhythm and be a productive player.

[Smitty77]

Ray also does NOT defend.  If ONLY he defended all shooting guards like he does Kobe.  We see what he could do in terms of defensive effort and then he simply does NOT deliver.  ALL he is is a jump shooter.  That is it. 

Start Pietrus now!!

Smitty77

[Chris]

I am quickly coming around to the idea of trading Ray.  I think he is the most movable of the Big 3, and he also is the most replaceable with Pietrus waiting in the wings, and Dooling also able to play some SG. 

Now, I would not move him unless we could get someone who can help this team now, and in the future...but, I think he is going to be the guy they will dangle. 

[TheReaLPuba]

Pietrus is a SF.

Ray isn't going anywhere.

If anything he needs to be featured more in the offense.

We need to get on the break more...even a semi-fast break can lead to Ray drilling 3's.

[j804]

I am quickly coming around to the idea of trading Ray.  I think he is the most movable of the Big 3, and he also is the most replaceable with Pietrus waiting in the wings, and Dooling also able to play some SG. 

Now, I would not move him unless we could get someone who can help this team now, and in the future...but, I think he is going to be the guy they will dangle. 

You could always use a sharp shooter like Ray though how many countless times has he made HUGE shots to win the game, get us within striking distance or lead a comeback with a timely three or dagger.

I do agree if anyone goes it probably would be him but were going to miss him more than most people think.

[2dark]

MP stands in the corner waiting for open 3, he never penetrates, nor he is kind of player that will hold defences accountable and provide spacing all the time like Ray does.

Just take a look at the game vs Chi, 3on2 fastbreak with rondo leading the way, Ray drifts to sweetspot on corner 3 and 1 Chi defender is sticking with him ( always does, probably part of each team pregame plan) making the break 2on1 instead of 3on2 that leads to easy buckets. That type of play doesn't show in scoresheet but he does it play after play.

Ray was out for few games earlier, tell me how many monster games MP had in that span?

You brought up his shooting stats, why didn't you bring up his defensive stats to prove your point of being poor defender? How many times this year have we been schorched by opposing SG? Whats his overall eFG%? Thank you

[greenlion]

all stats are overrated, like for any other player, i don't care if he misses all his shots, turned over all the time, as long as he connects with the crucial shot, makes a pivotal block or the game changing steal that wins the game,the bad stuffs are all forgotten..that's a fact..

[clover]

all stats are overrated, like for any other player, i don't care if he misses all his shots, turned over all the time, as long as he connects with the crucial shot, makes a pivotal block or the game changing steal that wins the game,the bad stuffs are all forgotten..that's a fact..

This isn't really Ray's circumstance, but I've never understood the logic that you suggest: why if a guy shoots 0-10 through a game, all the starters have to stay in and play long minutes, but he hits the one shot that puts them over the top at the end that's all that matters.

I just can't see it that way.

[rickyfan3.0...]

He kills us. I've been all over this for a while.

He is a specialist, and should be treated as such if we want to win.

[Smitty77]

Yes Pietrus is a SF.  You simply move PP to SG and start MP at SF.  Yes, stats are overrated.  They do NOT tell exactly how AWFUL Ray has been on defense for two years now, but ESPECIALLY this year (except for against Kobe).

And I love how someone picks out Ray's ONLY MADE three in the Bulls' game when he was 1-5 from three and had only a 7 efficiency rating.

The time has come and gone for Ray to be our sixth man.

Smitty77

[2dark]

Yes Pietrus is a SF.  You simply move PP to SG and start MP at SF.  Yes, stats are overrated.  They do NOT tell exactly how AWFUL Ray has been on defense for two years now, but ESPECIALLY this year (except for against Kobe).

And I love how someone picks out Ray's ONLY MADE three in the Bulls' game when he was 1-5 from three and had only a 7 efficiency rating.

The time has come and gone for Ray to be our sixth man.

Smitty77

I m never fan of bluntly calling someone wrong, but you're worng.

If we had Jeff Green type on bench, young and ready to hop in deserved starter role this talk might be worth it. But you have pietrus, a guy with whole 152 (out of 514) starts in his career, while averaging a whole whopass can of whole 8 pts per game.

 Ray is a specialist and we should threat him as such, while Pietrus is not...um wait, but MP IS a specialist too, a 3pt one ( he shot just 27 2pt fgs this year hitting just 13!).

 So you basically want to remove best 3pt shooter that ever lived to the bench because he is 3pt specialist and put out of position 3pt specialist with worse 3pt fg% in his place.
Yeah that sounds like a plan.

In addition because he is SF he shouldn't play SG so you ll put him on SF and move another SF (!?!) -Pierce to SG.

Again where is your proff of Rays poor defence? He never was elite defender, but he is good enough to hold his own against most of the SGs in the league.

I would go different route than you, and leave his minutes and make him full time specialist since he is grown to be turnover prone and should not be handling the ball like he sometimes does.

[kozlodoev]

Ray Allen's efficiency rating average over the last five games is 9.40.  That is good for a ROLE PLAYER off the bench, but absolutely HORRIBLE for a starter!!

Why is he RARELY or NEVER given any blame for our sometimes lackluster play?

Smitty77

P.S.  Agree with those of you saying to start Pietrus.

If we started a new guy everyone a starter stringed together several bad games, we'd have a new lineup every other game.

[Taklamar]

When he's on the floor the offense runs well (113 off rat).  Better than anyone else on the team actually (Pierce/KG @ 105)  I think he's exactly what you need with a poor shooting PG like Rondo; helps space the floor.