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We All Blew It On Lin
« on: February 11, 2012, 02:14:00 PM »

Offline footey

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There he was, right under our noses, kicking butt for Harvard for 4 years.  And went completely ignored. By Danny. By ownership. By Doc.  And by all of us, Celtic fans.  Especially those who live in the greater Boston area.  Why?  Well, let's be honest.  No one gave him a shot for two reasons:  His Asian heritage, and his playing for an Ivy League school.  Experts, and NBA fans, including Celtic fans, completely dismissed him primarily for those reasons.  And today, boy, are we regretting it.  Just read the forum topics: Could we trade Rondo for him?  Not if I were the Knicks.  Of course, there will continue to be doubters about this kid by most of us, which is great, because that is what fuels him. The utter disrespect that each of us gave him by completely ignoring him, because of stereo-types that are being turned on their heads as we speak.

This is the greatest sports story of the year, because it shows how racial and educational assumptions, prejudices, have played into this kid coming "out of no where".

Of course, the only thing that will ruin his rise will be when Carmelo comes back and demands the ball.  Hopefully Coach Mike will let Jeremy continue to run the team. 

Can't wait to hear all the excuses for completely blowing this one, Celtic fans.  Mea culpa, and you a culpa too. 

Re: We All Blew It On Lin
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 02:38:44 PM »

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nah.  He's just not very good.

The Celtics may have blew it with Marshon Brooks, though.  Jury is still out on that.

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2012, 03:02:11 PM »

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He's played in 10+ minutes just 5 times this year. Granted, 4 of those have been exceptional, but let's not get too crazy yet. Last year he was awful and it doesn't look like he has a great outside shot. Also looks like he turns the ball over a lot.

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2012, 03:04:46 PM »

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Every Division I program in America blew it on Lin, followed by every NBA team.  It wasn't just the Celts and Boston fans who failed to predict this.

We'll see whether it's sustainable.  I hope it is, because I love a great story.  I think it's more likely that he settles down and has a J.J. Barea-type career, which would still be pretty impressive.


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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2012, 03:14:33 PM »

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There he was, right under our noses, kicking butt for Harvard for 4 years.  And went completely ignored. By Danny. By ownership. By Doc.  And by all of us, Celtic fans.  Especially those who live in the greater Boston area.  Why?  Well, let's be honest.  No one gave him a shot for two reasons:  His Asian heritage, and his playing for an Ivy League school.  Experts, and NBA fans, including Celtic fans, completely dismissed him primarily for those reasons.  And today, boy, are we regretting it.  Just read the forum topics: Could we trade Rondo for him?  Not if I were the Knicks.  Of course, there will continue to be doubters about this kid by most of us, which is great, because that is what fuels him. The utter disrespect that each of us gave him by completely ignoring him, because of stereo-types that are being turned on their heads as we speak.

This is the greatest sports story of the year, because it shows how racial and educational assumptions, prejudices, have played into this kid coming "out of no where".

Of course, the only thing that will ruin his rise will be when Carmelo comes back and demands the ball.  Hopefully Coach Mike will let Jeremy continue to run the team.  

Can't wait to hear all the excuses for completely blowing this one, Celtic fans.  Mea culpa, and you a culpa too.  

i swear people demand perfection, using hindsight as its base. Its ridiculous and sickening. virtually every team "blew it" on lin, if he can remain a solid player.  

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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 03:43:11 PM »

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Last season, Lin played for the Golden State Warriors, who finished at 36-46.  He played in 29 games, averaging a shade under 10 minutes per game and shooting 38.9% from the field.  There are some posters on this board who seem to have the attitude that a player who can't get off the bench for a bad team can't possibly a rotational player on a contender.

There are probably a few players out there not getting playing time on bad teams or in the D-League who could step up like Jeremy Lin.  Lin could easily have ended up like Blake Ahearn.

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I get the strong impression that people in Boston only heavily watch Duke, UNC, and the big dance as far as college bball goes.

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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2012, 03:55:18 PM »

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While true that all teams blew it, I hold our team more accountable given the geography.  He was in our back yard for 4 years, and had an outstanding collegiate career. He did not suddenly become this gutty, talented PG.  He played that way over a sustained period.  He has the prototype frame and mind set of an NBA PG, yet was completely ignored.  At least the Warriors gave him a shot, probably more as a novelty act, given his Palo Alto HS roots.

Where was the Boston Globe's Bob Ryan and Dan Shaunessy, or ESPN's Jackie MacMullen, when this kid was in Cambridge for 4 years?  Would love to read the scouting reports written about him by Celtic scouts, and the crow they are eating now.

The responses so far have been predictable: He is not that good, he is not good at all, every team blew it.  No one willing to look in the mirror and acknowledge how stereotypes filter their perceptions on people. 

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2012, 04:00:00 PM »

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Every Division I program in America blew it on Lin, followed by every NBA team.  It wasn't just the Celts and Boston fans who failed to predict this.

We'll see whether it's sustainable.  I hope it is, because I love a great story.  I think it's more likely that he settles down and has a J.J. Barea-type career, which would still be pretty impressive.

Harvard is Division 1. Knicks are NBA team, and are now reaping the rewards, however serendipitously.

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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2012, 04:01:15 PM »

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nah.  He's just not very good.

The Celtics may have blew it with Marshon Brooks, though.  Jury is still out on that.

Tell that to Kobe Bryant. To Deron Williams. To John Wall.  Next!!!

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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2012, 04:01:30 PM »

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Where was the Boston Globe's Bob Ryan and Dan Shaunessy, or ESPN's Jackie MacMullen, when this kid was in Cambridge for 4 years? 

lol...college bball coverage in boston?!  its nonexistent.


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The responses so far have been predictable: He is not that good, he is not good at all, every team blew it.  No one willing to look in the mirror and acknowledge how stereotypes filter their perceptions on people. 


nothing to do with stereotypes at all.  

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2012, 04:04:00 PM »

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I know in Boston things tend to go to hysterical levels quickly.  

Example: all the Red Sox fans trying to get their front office to salary dump a 5 tool player, Carl Crawford, because of one poor season and that Bill James claims CC cannot hit in Fenway.

Jeremy Lin is a nice player, but there is a reason why he was not drafted and cut last season.  Has he earned his playing time?  Oh yes, you bet, but claiming that everyone blew it is just crazy.  

These teams pay a lot of money to evaluate talent.  Lin was on no one's radar and was almost cut by the Knicks, which says to me nobody thought the guy could play.  SO everyone was wrong?  

Maybe we can just have fun and watch the guy for a season BEFORE the Celtics dump all their players and offer Lin a 5 year deal?

Maybe Lin can only thrive in an open offense like the Knicks run and he could very well be effing terrible in other offenses systems.  

So lets not go crazy...

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2012, 04:05:33 PM »

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Last season, Lin played for the Golden State Warriors, who finished at 36-46.  He played in 29 games, averaging a shade under 10 minutes per game and shooting 38.9% from the field.  There are some posters on this board who seem to have the attitude that a player who can't get off the bench for a bad team can't possibly a rotational player on a contender.

There are probably a few players out there not getting playing time on bad teams or in the D-League who could step up like Jeremy Lin.  Lin could easily have ended up like Blake Ahearn.




He has played like an all star the last 4 games, not like a possible rotational player on a contender.  Forget the stats, look at how he has become the impetus for them turning around a losing record to a winning one, without their top two players (or more likely, because they are without them)!!

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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2012, 04:08:28 PM »

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While true that all teams blew it, I hold our team more accountable given the geography.  He was in our back yard for 4 years, and had an outstanding collegiate career. He did not suddenly become this gutty, talented PG.  He played that way over a sustained period.  He has the prototype frame and mind set of an NBA PG, yet was completely ignored.  At least the Warriors gave him a shot, probably more as a novelty act, given his Palo Alto HS roots.

Where was the Boston Globe's Bob Ryan and Dan Shaunessy, or ESPN's Jackie MacMullen, when this kid was in Cambridge for 4 years?  Would love to read the scouting reports written about him by Celtic scouts, and the crow they are eating now.

The responses so far have been predictable: He is not that good, he is not good at all, every team blew it.  No one willing to look in the mirror and acknowledge how stereotypes filter their perceptions on people. 

I think it's pretty inappropriate to assume that the only reason that every D-1 team in America, and then every NBA team, missed on Lin is because of racial bias or stereotyping. 

Lin is a guy who put up good-but-not-great numbers against poor college competition, and who doesn't possess tremendous athletic gifts or shooting ability.  Until recently, when given a chance in the NBA, he looked pretty mediocre.

Now that he was exploded, I don't understand the need to point fingers and to cast blame.  Sometimes guys just outperform expectations.   


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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2012, 04:10:07 PM »

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Every Division I program in America blew it on Lin, followed by every NBA team.  It wasn't just the Celts and Boston fans who failed to predict this.

We'll see whether it's sustainable.  I hope it is, because I love a great story.  I think it's more likely that he settles down and has a J.J. Barea-type career, which would still be pretty impressive.

Harvard is Division 1. Knicks are NBA team, and are now reaping the rewards, however serendipitously.

Harvard didn't give him a scholarship (not did any other D-I team), and no NBA team drafted him.  I suspect you understood my point.


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