Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")

[wdleehi]

The point most people are trying to make is that his contribution is a culture change, a toughness, championship experience, etc. Things that don't show up as much in numbers or on the floor.

The issue is that the Celtics already have these qualities instilled in the team. It was the Celtics that imparted these qualities on Perkins.

That's what makes the Danny trade so good. Once Perkins could no longer fill the holes on-the-court, they got a young piece in Jeff Green and a first-round pick to move forward. Considering Perkins and the Celtics couldn't agree on an amount,

Danny made a genius move to get the best out of Perkins instead of losing him to free agency when another team was going to pay him more than the Celtics wanted to anyway.

That's all I'm saying.

We don't know Perk and the Celtics would not be able to come up with an amount.  While the Celtics had him, they didn't have the cap space too offer more then they did. 



And the Celtics have a draft pick to show.  Green is a free agent. 

[Interceptor]

And the Celtics have a draft pick to show.  Green is a free agent.

Now this is an unfair comment to make. The association has its hooks in that kid, if it's up to Jeff Green there isn't a team in the NBA with a better shot of getting him in free agency than the Celtics. There isn't even the barest whiff of a "what if" here, the QO was basically a done deal until the physical imploded. This is worth something.

C's have the cap room next year to make him a fair offer, and we don't get that chance if this trade never happens and OKC lets him slide into free agency.

[indeedproceed]

And the Celtics have a draft pick to show.  Green is a free agent.

Now this is an unfair comment to make. The association has its hooks in that kid, if it's up to Jeff Green there isn't a team in the NBA with a better shot of getting him in free agency than the Celtics. There isn't even the barest whiff of a "what if" here, the QO was basically a done deal until the physical imploded. This is worth something.

C's have the cap room next year to make him a fair offer, and we don't get that chance if this trade never happens and OKC lets him slide into free agency.

There is absolutely nothing unfair about it. The Celtics got a late 1st round pick. Sure they have a shot at re-signing Jeff Green, but frankly I doubt anyone is surprised if he walks. There is a reason the Thunder were willing to let him walk and it wasn't just that he played the same position as Kevin Durant.

[wdleehi]

And the Celtics have a draft pick to show.  Green is a free agent.

Now this is an unfair comment to make. The association has its hooks in that kid, if it's up to Jeff Green there isn't a team in the NBA with a better shot of getting him in free agency than the Celtics. There isn't even the barest whiff of a "what if" here, the QO was basically a done deal until the physical imploded. This is worth something.

C's have the cap room next year to make him a fair offer, and we don't get that chance if this trade never happens and OKC lets him slide into free agency.

Anyone really seeing the rebuilding Celtics give Green anything more then a short term contract? 

Would he accept it?


The Celtics do not need Bird Rights to sign him.  So, what did they gain?

[OsirusCeltics]

OP - What did Danny Ainge get from the KP trade?  

I told you so, Jeff Green would have a heart issue and not play the 2012 season, wasting time and money that could of been used on FAs that can play an actual game...

He really told all the doubters.

Well Celtics would have had no Jeff Green and no Perk
He was an unstrestricted free agent, so he could basically walk and leave the team, while the Celtics ended up with nothing. Its like everyone is overlooking that Perk WANTED to leave Boston if another team paid him more. He thought was worth more than he actually was. Thats kinda why I don't feel sorry for Perk all that much

[wdleehi]

OP - What did Danny Ainge get from the KP trade? 

I told you so, Jeff Green would have a heart issue and not play the 2012 season, wasting time and money that could of been used on FAs that can play an actual game...

He really told all the doubters.

Well Celtics would have had no Jeff Greena and no Perk
He was an unstrestricted free agent, so he could basically walk and leave the team, while the Celtics ended up with nothing. Its like everyone is overlooking that Perk WANTED to leave Boston if another team paid him more. He thought was worth more than he actually was. Thats kinda why I don't feel sorry for Perk all that much

Or there could have been a sign and trade for a better draft pick then the clippers. 



I don't feel sorry for Perk. 

[Interceptor]

There is absolutely nothing unfair about it. The Celtics got a late 1st round pick. Sure they have a shot at re-signing Jeff Green, but frankly I doubt anyone is surprised if he walks.

In a league where free agents can sign anywhere they want, the kind of relationship that the C's were able to build with Jeff Green is valuable. It is also impossible without the trade. I know that this is inconvenient for the people that didn't like the trade in the first place, but it is what it is, and you conceded the point even though you held your nose and watered it down first.

[wdleehi]

There is absolutely nothing unfair about it. The Celtics got a late 1st round pick. Sure they have a shot at re-signing Jeff Green, but frankly I doubt anyone is surprised if he walks.

In a league where free agents can sign anywhere they want, the kind of relationship that the C's were able to build with Jeff Green is valuable. It is also impossible without the trade. I know that this is inconvenient for the people that didn't like the trade in the first place, but it is what it is, and you conceded the point even though you held your nose and watered it down first.

Green will go where the money is. 


And there is no way to know if the Celtics even want him back next year.  Pietrus is already doing a better job of filling that role.

[BudweiserCeltic]

And the Celtics have a draft pick to show.  Green is a free agent.

Now this is an unfair comment to make. The association has its hooks in that kid, if it's up to Jeff Green there isn't a team in the NBA with a better shot of getting him in free agency than the Celtics. There isn't even the barest whiff of a "what if" here, the QO was basically a done deal until the physical imploded. This is worth something.

C's have the cap room next year to make him a fair offer, and we don't get that chance if this trade never happens and OKC lets him slide into free agency.

Anyone really seeing the rebuilding Celtics give Green anything more then a short term contract? 

Would he accept it?


The Celtics do not need Bird Rights to sign him.  So, what did they gain?

First round draft pick and the back-up SF we needed last season. That's why the trade was made in the first place, a Jeff Green trade asset was the cherry on top. Sadly his health prevented that chip from being used.

[Interceptor]

Anyone really seeing the rebuilding Celtics give Green anything more then a short term contract? 

Would he accept it?

This saloon door swings in both directions. Anyone really seeing another NBA team giving a long term contract to a heart patient that's been playing out of position his entire career, and had an underwhelming last season?

I see the C's giving a short term contract to a young guy in order to prove himself, and him accepting it because he wants the chance. Maybe this doesn't happen, and some bonehead team overpays him on a long contract, but absent this trade the C's don't even get this chance.

The Celtics do not need Bird Rights to sign him.  So, what did they gain?

Nothing that you can put in a test tube, map on a chart, or examine under the microscope, I'm afraid, but something valuable nonetheless. You think that Jeff Green comes to Celtics games because he has a crush on one of the cheerleaders?

[wdleehi]

And the Celtics have a draft pick to show.  Green is a free agent.

Now this is an unfair comment to make. The association has its hooks in that kid, if it's up to Jeff Green there isn't a team in the NBA with a better shot of getting him in free agency than the Celtics. There isn't even the barest whiff of a "what if" here, the QO was basically a done deal until the physical imploded. This is worth something.

C's have the cap room next year to make him a fair offer, and we don't get that chance if this trade never happens and OKC lets him slide into free agency.

Anyone really seeing the rebuilding Celtics give Green anything more then a short term contract? 

Would he accept it?


The Celtics do not need Bird Rights to sign him.  So, what did they gain?

First round draft pick and the back-up SF we needed last season. That's why the trade was made in the first place, a Jeff Green trade asset was the cherry on top. Sadly his health prevented that chip from being used.

I still believe that a starting C is always more important then a backup SF.  


Especially one that doesn't fit.

[BudweiserCeltic]

And the Celtics have a draft pick to show.  Green is a free agent.

Now this is an unfair comment to make. The association has its hooks in that kid, if it's up to Jeff Green there isn't a team in the NBA with a better shot of getting him in free agency than the Celtics. There isn't even the barest whiff of a "what if" here, the QO was basically a done deal until the physical imploded. This is worth something.

C's have the cap room next year to make him a fair offer, and we don't get that chance if this trade never happens and OKC lets him slide into free agency.

Anyone really seeing the rebuilding Celtics give Green anything more then a short term contract? 

Would he accept it?


The Celtics do not need Bird Rights to sign him.  So, what did they gain?

First round draft pick and the back-up SF we needed last season. That's why the trade was made in the first place, a Jeff Green trade asset was the cherry on top. Sadly his health prevented that chip from being used.

I still believe that a starting C is always more important then a backup SF. 


Especially one that doesn't fit.

We had 3 centers, JO, Shaq, and Kristic... all NBA contributors. For better or worse, we had our big guys. Shaq coming back would have put us over the top, sadly he never recovered fully for us. Even so, JO played quite well for us defensively.

Jeff never really took off with us, but what gets overlooked is the fact that he was the best Carmelo defender, and overlooking this is a travesty given that it was this fact which enabled us to really take care of the Knicks, along with a spectacular series by Rondo.

And lastly, the way Rondo was playing last year up to the point that Wade did that horrifying move, we were in position to make a great series against the Heat. That said, the Heat went to the finals, so there you go. Beating an excellent Bulls team.

[Interceptor]

Green will go where the money is.

Suppose that your cynicism is correct. Assuming that we miss the Dwight Howard sweepstakes, the C's have the cap room to overpay on short contracts at the end of this season.

And there is no way to know if the Celtics even want him back next year.  Pietrus is already doing a better job of filling that role.

Don't get me wrong, I like Pietrus more than jellybeans, but they don't exactly play the same positions. Jeff Green is bigger, and can play the 4 in spurts depending on match-ups.

[wdleehi]

And the Celtics have a draft pick to show.  Green is a free agent.

Now this is an unfair comment to make. The association has its hooks in that kid, if it's up to Jeff Green there isn't a team in the NBA with a better shot of getting him in free agency than the Celtics. There isn't even the barest whiff of a "what if" here, the QO was basically a done deal until the physical imploded. This is worth something.

C's have the cap room next year to make him a fair offer, and we don't get that chance if this trade never happens and OKC lets him slide into free agency.

Anyone really seeing the rebuilding Celtics give Green anything more then a short term contract? 

Would he accept it?


The Celtics do not need Bird Rights to sign him.  So, what did they gain?

First round draft pick and the back-up SF we needed last season. That's why the trade was made in the first place, a Jeff Green trade asset was the cherry on top. Sadly his health prevented that chip from being used.

I still believe that a starting C is always more important then a backup SF. 


Especially one that doesn't fit.

We had 3 centers, JO, Shaq, and Kristic... all NBA contributors. For better or worse, we had our big guys. Shaq coming back would have put us over the top, sadly he never recovered fully for us. Even so, JO played quite well for us defensively.

Jeff never really took off with us, but what gets overlooked is the fact that he was the best Carmelo defender, and overlooking this is a travesty given that it was this fact which enabled us to really take care of the Knicks, along with a spectacular series by Rondo.

And lastly, the way Rondo was playing last year up to the point that Wade did that horrifying move, we were in position to make a great series against the Heat. That said, the Heat went to the finals, so there you go. Beating an excellent Bulls team.

Shaq - hurt
JO - hurt
Kristic - no defense, was replaced by an injured JO.  



Green, did nothing.

[wdleehi]

Green will go where the money is.

Suppose that your cynicism is correct. Assuming that we miss the Dwight Howard sweepstakes, the C's have the cap room to overpay on short contracts at the end of this season.

And there is no way to know if the Celtics even want him back next year.  Pietrus is already doing a better job of filling that role.

Don't get me wrong, I like Pietrus more than jellybeans, but they don't exactly play the same positions. Jeff Green is bigger, and can play the 4 in spurts depending on match-ups.

Overpaying for players like Green is how you end up with the Detroit Pistons.