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Re: Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2012, 08:56:29 PM »

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I like Perk and was shocked at the trade, but quickly got over it.  I do think Perk is overrated, but wish him well.  I'm ok with the trade.
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Re: Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2012, 08:59:20 PM »

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I just can't help but think that ol Perk might have come in handy tommorrow night.  :'(



So would Bill Russell, but under no circumstances would either be available for us tomorrow night.

Perkins was not going to be a Celtic tomorrow night regardless of whether he was traded

I'm really not looking forward to Gasol shooting 14 footers over Bass at will tomorrow.

  I am. He hits about 40% of them.


The allstar big man vs. the undersized journeyman? 

Perhaps he'll shoot a higher percentage against the lollipop kid.

Re: Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2012, 09:33:24 PM »

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Perk isn't struggling; he's just a marginal NBA center playing like one.  Not a good rebounder, not a good shot blocker, just plain bad on the offensive end; no agility.  I think that "toughness" intangile is way overrated; Blake wasn't afraid to go right at him, and really I don't think many players in the league are.  If you're soft you're going to soft against most players.  The one posistive you can say is Perk is defnitely not soft.  But this is the NBA where skill and talent win over brute force.  Let's face it, Perk did not garner any kind of recognition until KG arrived.  Now all of a sudden he's a key part of the defensive backbone yet he still doesn't rebound or block shots well???  Don't think so.

Re: Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2012, 10:06:36 PM »

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One of those trades that didn't help either team, even by the metrics that some of you hold so dear. With that said, I'd still make it.

And certainly Blake Griffin's happy to have his new victim in the Western Conference.

  It's helping the Thunder in one of those new-fangled metrics that you hate so much, wins and losses.

Re: Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2012, 10:35:36 PM »

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  It's helping the Thunder in one of those new-fangled metrics that you hate so much, wins and losses.

There are new-fangled metrics that are better at predicting future wins and losses than previous wins and losses.
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Re: Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2012, 10:38:17 PM »

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I just can't help but think that ol Perk might have come in handy tommorrow night.  :'(



So would Bill Russell, but under no circumstances would either be available for us tomorrow night.

Perkins was not going to be a Celtic tomorrow night regardless of whether he was traded

I'm really not looking forward to Gasol shooting 14 footers over Bass at will tomorrow.  Undersized PF's are Danny's binkies (and Gasol's lunch).

We need some size.

Is Garnett out for tomorrow night's contest?
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Re: Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2012, 11:00:03 PM »

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I'm really not looking forward to Gasol shooting 14 footers over Bass at will tomorrow.  Undersized PF's are Danny's binkies (and Gasol's lunch).

We need some size.
We still have Garnett, you know. Even though KG is not matching Gasoft for time on the court, if size were really *that* important, we'll see what JJ can do in limited minutes if Bass can't slow him down. Or Wilcox, or Steamer.

I'm surprised you're not worried about Bynum, of all people. Gasol might only be the second biggest problem, since Ray usually does a good job on Kobe, and Pierce/Rondo are probably drooling right now.

Re: Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2012, 11:00:16 PM »

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 I agree with both of these. Rondo makes a big difference. And people who talk about Perk's scoring don't really get what his value is. He's anchoring a good defense and he gives them a veteran presence that's played in multiple finals.

Saying Perkins anchors the OKC defense is like saying Rondo led the C's to the Finals in 2008, both are inaccurate.

He plays 27 mostly unproductive minutes a game for OKC. He's a liability on one end, which is fine, if he was rebounding and blocking shots on the other end. He's been a terrible - yes, terrible - rebounder this year. He's blocking shots below his career average. His one-on-one defense - opponents average a 15.0 PER against him, which isn't great. If this is the "anchor" of the defense, well...yikes. I guess he offers a lot of "veteran presence" or something.



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 It's helping the Thunder in one of those new-fangled metrics that you hate so much, wins and losses.


It's actually more accurate to say that those new-fangled metrics are being achieved in spite of Perkins' awfulness this year.



Re: Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2012, 12:16:13 AM »

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 I agree with both of these. Rondo makes a big difference. And people who talk about Perk's scoring don't really get what his value is. He's anchoring a good defense and he gives them a veteran presence that's played in multiple finals.

Saying Perkins anchors the OKC defense is like saying Rondo led the C's to the Finals in 2008, both are inaccurate.

He plays 27 mostly unproductive minutes a game for OKC. He's a liability on one end, which is fine, if he was rebounding and blocking shots on the other end. He's been a terrible - yes, terrible - rebounder this year. He's blocking shots below his career average. His one-on-one defense - opponents average a 15.0 PER against him, which isn't great. If this is the "anchor" of the defense, well...yikes. I guess he offers a lot of "veteran presence" or something.



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 It's helping the Thunder in one of those new-fangled metrics that you hate so much, wins and losses.


It's actually more accurate to say that those new-fangled metrics are being achieved in spite of Perkins' awfulness this year.




Just curious.  How many Thunder games have you watched this season?

To those posting constantly about how lousy Perk is this season because of his stats, do you watch a lot of Thunder basketball, of just look at stats?

I've watched almost every game, and Perk's filling his role on the team as expected.  He sets bone jarring picks on offense, and mucks up the lane on defense.  Their leading rebounder is a SF, and more than half their rebounds come for their littles. 

They're at the top of the league offensively, even though their four bigs only average 20 ppg on 16 shots.  They grab 20 rpg combined too.  This is not your conventional team, but one metric is eye popping - the 20-5 record. 

Focusing on Perk's scoring in this system is akin to complaining that a football offensive lineman doesn't have a  lot of touchdowns.  The bigs on this team don't get to score. As mentioned earlier, Westbrook doesn't set the table for Perk like Rondo and the Big 3 did, so his ppg are down, but he's still generating 1.4 points per shot, which is his career average (mostly due to his vastly improved FT shooting).

I was a handful of rows from the court when the Thunder came into Boston and beat the Celtics, and I was very impressed with this team's demeanor.  They've got physical, lunch bucket bigs, highly skilled, energetic, explosive littles, and play with great esprit d' corps. Durant is an absolute monster to cover, and this year is doing a lot of the little things.  Westbrook isn't a traditional PG, but is a handful.  Hardin is a Pierce-lite type.  He doesn't look like he's great, but he's good at everything. 

Two things could be a playoff roadblock to this team.  They get little scoring from their bigs, and in a playoff series, where teams lock in on their half court defense, a perimeter oriented attack might grind to a halt (although they were tops on offense last playoffs). Second, the Maynor injury took away a bi advantage they had over most teams - a starter quality backup PG who could both score and run a team.

Anyway, back to the Perk bashing - 4.6ppg/5.5rpg/$7.1million 

 


There are many fans in OKC that are calling Perkins to be amnestied, believe it or not.

Really?  I read OKC forums and haven't observed this at all.  Links?

Re: Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2012, 12:35:31 AM »

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Perk's picks are valued at 7+ million dollars, with a bonus of solid defense. Irreplaceable.

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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2012, 12:57:41 AM »

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Re: Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2012, 03:13:04 AM »

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I just watched Perkins lead the Thunder D against the hometown Blazers out here in Portland. He was talking he was motivating and organizing that D. The refs blew some calls but in the end the Thunder won it in overtime b/c of their Defense. Severals times they turned D in offense for easy buckets and showed they are on a mission for a title, not scoring titles.


Stats are misleading. Perkins is showing those guys what it takes to be a champion, and that is irreplaceable. Perkins never wow'd us with stats here either, but he knew what it took to win and he played his role perfectly. He's doing the same thing for OKC.

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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2012, 03:31:53 AM »

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I just watched Perkins lead the Thunder D against the hometown Blazers out here in Portland. He was talking he was motivating and organizing that D. The refs blew some calls but in the end the Thunder won it in overtime b/c of their Defense. Severals times they turned D in offense for easy buckets and showed they are on a mission for a title, not scoring titles.


Stats are misleading. Perkins is showing those guys what it takes to be a champion, and that is irreplaceable. Perkins never wow'd us with stats here either, but he knew what it took to win and he played his role perfectly. He's doing the same thing for OKC.

His value is highest with OKC that's for sure.

The thing is his value with us is very limited. We already have that championship mentality. We are the team that GAVE it to Perk. :)
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Re: Kendrick Perkins Struggling (Danny should say "I told you so")
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2012, 07:24:26 AM »

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Saying I told you so isn't cool.   I thought he was vastly over rated here by many fans but I would like to see him do well as long as he is not playing us.

  Agree'd

  Still someone pointed out what should be the obvious.  His defenders say he does the things that don't show up in box scores like setting screens.  I agree that much of his value isn't something that shows up in box scores.

Still. maybe it is just me but it seemed like every other time he set a screen, it was an illegal screen and he got called for it causing a turnover.  Since turnovers have been one of if not the biggest issue for these Celtic's in recent years how valuable were his contributions?  I think they have surely been over stated by his admirers.

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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2012, 08:32:58 AM »

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 I agree with both of these. Rondo makes a big difference. And people who talk about Perk's scoring don't really get what his value is. He's anchoring a good defense and he gives them a veteran presence that's played in multiple finals.

Saying Perkins anchors the OKC defense is like saying Rondo led the C's to the Finals in 2008, both are inaccurate.

He plays 27 mostly unproductive minutes a game for OKC. He's a liability on one end, which is fine, if he was rebounding and blocking shots on the other end. He's been a terrible - yes, terrible - rebounder this year. He's blocking shots below his career average. His one-on-one defense - opponents average a 15.0 PER against him, which isn't great. If this is the "anchor" of the defense, well...yikes. I guess he offers a lot of "veteran presence" or something.


  If you think that you can accurately measure a center's contribution on the defensive end by simply looking at the number of blocked shots he has and his opponent's PER then I see why you would think that Perk doesn't help the Thunder much.