Trade Idea: CLE/IND/BOS -- who says no?

[byennie]

Only works I think if we really believe in Ainge rebuilding from scratch around Howard (and Howard wanting to come here of course). We could move Varejao in a S&T for Howard, sign Deron and go "all in" around those two through 2017, but we'd really have to be hoping some of our young players develop.

Deron Williams / Avery Bradley
E'Twaun Moore
Paul George
JJJ
Howard

Perhaps with a couple more vets and a decent pick in the draft that could work, but we're starting out extremely thin. Big gamble on the future of the youngin's.

I will say this, that would be a helluva 1 year makeover.

No need to S&T anyone -- Cs would have less than $17mil in salary commitments next year (before rookie deals and min vet salary holds). Plenty of room for 2 max FAs.

It's not required, but it would allow us to do a 5-year deal with Howard instead of 4, for more money if Orlando signs him first. Since we have cap room we could also send them non-matching salaries. Being able to get him the biggest possible deal won't hurt, as Orlando will still at least try to get something back.

[ssspence]

lots of disagreement. basic question: does IND trade granger & george for pierce & rondo?

I don't think they do, because while they could really use a distributor on that team, it defeats the purpose to give up both George and Granger. Now Rondo is passing to West and Hibbert.

Here's a modified version which basically makes the Bill Simmons trade, and then swaps Rondo for George + Collison:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7pnozjo

Rondo to IND
George, Collison, Jamison, Varejao to BOS
Allen, O'Neal, Jones, 2 1st rounders to CLE

Cleveland gets a couple of picks for Varejao.
Indiana gets Rondo for George (and unloads Collison who won't stay as a backup)
Boston gets Varejao, George and Collison and is in about the same cap situation next year.

New lineups:

BOS
Collison
George
Pierce
Garnett
Varejao

IND
Rondo
Hill
Granger
West
Hibbert

CLE
Irving
Allen
Casspi
Tristan Thompson
O'Neal / Erden
+ 2 more picks on the way

Disagree. West needs a PG who can distribute on that team -- badly. Granger is a chucker either way... Pierce is a better offensive and all-around player, to me, any way you look at it.  It'd be great to have those guys there with Rondo, but obviously that's not going to happen for basketball or CBA reasons. The Cs aren't trading Rondo for Granger straight-up, and a Rondo for George deal doesn't make much sense considering George plays the same position as PP, though I guess one could do this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=75zwr2h

or even this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=748l5t2

[PosImpos]

i think this trade would probably just mire us in mediocrity after this season.  george / collison / varejao are decent guys to have moving forward, but they'd probably just win us enough games to prevent us from getting any good picks, and they don't have enough star power to really attract big name free agents this summer.

[Moranis]

Indiana and Cleveland

No way Cleveland says no.  They give up Jamison + Varejao and get back Granger + Bass!!  They get back a FAR better player than any of the ones they give up.  And a guy who can take some of the scoring load off of Irving.

I think Indy says no.  They are really putting it together with a young group that should be able to sustain and continue to improve on their current performance.  Why mess with that?

I believe Cleveland would rather have Varejao and his much smaller cap number than Granger who is paid huge and is deteriorating quickly.  Bass is duplicate of some of their other young players as well and I don't think they pay him the big money he is going to want this summer.

Cleveland is very well positioned going forward, I don't think they blow their load on a slight increase in talent.

[Celtics4ever]

All the teams would say "no".

[chambers]

The thought of Jamison wearing Celtic green makes me want to throw up.
Giving up Rondo+Pierce for these guys really doesn't do it for me. Kind of keeps us off the bottom of the conference and thus having no picks.
Basically giving up 2 all stars and one solid role player for 3 role players (two of them solid)- one of whom is  hugely over paid, and one potential 2nd team all NBA player (Paul George).

No way.
Why does Indiana do this?

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The thought of Jamison wearing Celtic green makes me want to throw up.
Giving up Rondo+Pierce for these guys really doesn't do it for me. Kind of keeps us off the bottom of the conference and thus having no picks.
Basically giving up 2 all stars and one solid role player for 3 role players (two of them solid)- one of whom is  hugely over paid, and one potential 2nd team all NBA player (Paul George).

No way.
Why does Indiana do this?

Just cut Jamison. Your point about worse record = worse picks makes no sense. All of three players are very fairly paid, and George is a star in the making. Basically, I can't really understand your post at all.

PosImpos -- when you have cap room to pay two max FAs +, I think attracting players with 4,5 good young core players will be easier than Boston fans might think. I also feel playing with Rondo is not as attractive to FAs as we might hope.

[chambers]

The thought of Jamison wearing Celtic green makes me want to throw up.
Giving up Rondo+Pierce for these guys really doesn't do it for me. Kind of keeps us off the bottom of the conference and thus having no picks.
Basically giving up 2 all stars and one solid role player for 3 role players (two of them solid)- one of whom is  hugely over paid, and one potential 2nd team all NBA player (Paul George).

No way.
Why does Indiana do this?

Just cut Jamison. Your point about worse record = worse picks makes no sense. All of three players are very fairly paid, and George is a star in the making. Basically, I can't really understand your post at all.

Maybe I didn't make it clear.
You are moving our most tradeable pieces for role players, one of whom you want to use the amnesty on. (we get this once every 5-8 years by the way)
These players aren't terrible, and they aren't All Stars. Paul George may be an All NBA second team player one day- he certainly won't be a Paul Pierce- maybe a poor mans Rudy Gay?
Anyway, they won't be bad enough to get us lottery picks, but they won't be good enough to get out of the 2nd round of the playoffs- leaving us stranded in mediocrity.
What is the point?
Couldn't we trade Pierce+Rondo+Bass for more in return than this or something to actually build on like lottery picks?
Reading over the post, people seem to rate Paul George as the diamond here, and rate him higher than I do, which is fair enough.
Now we need a shooting guard and a power forward after using our amnesty on Jamison, and they both have to be All-Star or top 20 level to make this team even compete with Chicago and Miami for the next 5-7 years.
Just can't see it happening even with two plausible FA signings like Harden or Ryan Anderson.

pg: Collison
SG:Harden
SF:George
PF:Ryan Anderson
C:Verajao

5 years of a 3rd or 4th seed, KO'd by the big boys in the playoffs, and that's if we were lucky enough to get guys as good as Harden+Anderson somehow.

Unless of course, you use all these pieces in a trade to somehow get Deron+Dwight by shipping the farm.

[gpap]

Not a bad trade idea, but I don't think its very likely.

I agree with the other fan that Indiana really shakes up their team in this deal and not sure they do that.

They've got a very good young core right now and I can't see them giving up Collison, George AND Granger.

That's a big price to pay. Also, I am noticing the name Keyon Dooling being thrown around alot in trade ideas.

Dooling has BARELY played this season, thus I can't imagine his trade value will land you a bag of chips right now, let alone a decent player.

[Moranis]

Not a bad trade idea, but I don't think its very likely.

I agree with the other fan that Indiana really shakes up their team in this deal and not sure they do that.

They've got a very good young core right now and I can't see them giving up Collison, George AND Granger.

That's a big price to pay. Also, I am noticing the name Keyon Dooling being thrown around alot in trade ideas.

Dooling has BARELY played this season, thus I can't imagine his trade value will land you a bag of chips right now, let alone a decent player.

I think Dooling is always included because of the contract dollars.

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The thought of Jamison wearing Celtic green makes me want to throw up.
Giving up Rondo+Pierce for these guys really doesn't do it for me. Kind of keeps us off the bottom of the conference and thus having no picks.
Basically giving up 2 all stars and one solid role player for 3 role players (two of them solid)- one of whom is  hugely over paid, and one potential 2nd team all NBA player (Paul George).

No way.
Why does Indiana do this?

Just cut Jamison. Your point about worse record = worse picks makes no sense. All of three players are very fairly paid, and George is a star in the making. Basically, I can't really understand your post at all.

Maybe I didn't make it clear.
You are moving our most tradeable pieces for role players, one of whom you want to use the amnesty on. (we get this once every 5-8 years by the way)
These players aren't terrible, and they aren't All Stars. Paul George may be an All NBA second team player one day- he certainly won't be a Paul Pierce- maybe a poor mans Rudy Gay?
Anyway, they won't be bad enough to get us lottery picks, but they won't be good enough to get out of the 2nd round of the playoffs- leaving us stranded in mediocrity.
What is the point?
Couldn't we trade Pierce+Rondo+Bass for more in return than this or something to actually build on like lottery picks?
Reading over the post, people seem to rate Paul George as the diamond here, and rate him higher than I do, which is fair enough.
Now we need a shooting guard and a power forward after using our amnesty on Jamison, and they both have to be All-Star or top 20 level to make this team even compete with Chicago and Miami for the next 5-7 years.
Just can't see it happening even with two plausible FA signings like Harden or Ryan Anderson.

pg: Collison
SG:Harden
SF:George
PF:Ryan Anderson
C:Verajao

5 years of a 3rd or 4th seed, KO'd by the big boys in the playoffs, and that's if we were lucky enough to get guys as good as Harden+Anderson somehow.

Unless of course, you use all these pieces in a trade to somehow get Deron+Dwight by shipping the farm.

can't amnesty a player you trade for. i was basically kidding about jamison -- you'd keep his bird rights so you could potentially get something for him over the summer, and if not, he's just cap space created.

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Not a bad trade idea, but I don't think its very likely.

I agree with the other fan that Indiana really shakes up their team in this deal and not sure they do that.

They've got a very good young core right now and I can't see them giving up Collison, George AND Granger.

That's a big price to pay. Also, I am noticing the name Keyon Dooling being thrown around alot in trade ideas.

Dooling has BARELY played this season, thus I can't imagine his trade value will land you a bag of chips right now, let alone a decent player.

One would have to give up a big price to get Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo. I'd say Rondo, Hill, Hansbrough and Hibbert remains a very good young core, especially when you add Paul Pierce's versatility and leadership to that mix, along with David West.

[Anomandaris]

below stat line against Dallas says enough, Indy views George as their future franchise player.

http://www.nba.com/games/20120203/INDDAL/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore