Bottom of NBA in Rebounding means We Go Nowhere

[SHAQATTACK]

Junk centers are prized now.  The NBA is a game of inches...HEIGHT....he who has the tallest front line is more often than not the powerhouse.

A healthy young LA team beats the Heat every time.  The Heat is a oddball, a bunch of guys who took less than max contracts to get rings.

Have to draft to get TALL 6-11 7 foot players.  I suppose the Bobcats are on the tank plan .

I don't see anyway to get a Kevin Love type player other than the draft.

We need "INSIDE" help to return to the top. Old guys with no lift isn't going to get us there in a starting role.

[LB3533]

We just need to box out.

We are dead last in boxing out.

[RockinRyA]

"if you control the rebounds you control the game" - Hanamichi Sakuragi, Slamdunk

I wish this dude is a free agent..

lol

miyagi=rondo
allen=mitsui
pierce=rukawa

[GreenFaith1819]

We've been without Rondo for a while which probably bumps us a few spots back on this chart.
Isn't he the leading rebounding PG in the NBA? (or top 3?)

We are in a unique position because of our defensive power.
We defend so well that we bring opponents down to our rebounding numbers.
ie: the Magic or Pacers dominate good to average teams with rebounding because their opponents give them second shot opportunities in the paint.
When they play us, they face a different beast because we don't let them get those opportunities.
We are the 3rd best defensive team in the NBA, letting our opponents shoot much less and thus rebound much less than the league average.

These things even each other out in a lot of cases.
Good case would be the Clippers, who are ranked 26th in the league in defense, and ranked 5th overall in the power rankings.
I could make the title of a similar thread saying: WE ARE GOING FOR THE GLORY, OUR OFFENSE HAS BEEN STAGNANT BUT WE ARE STILL THE 3RD BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE NBA, WAIT TILL WE GET RONDO AND OUR OFFENSIVE FLOW GOING!
30% into the season is probably too early to make a judgement call like this.

But yes I do agree with the notion that more rebounding would be great for us. I just don't think our lack of rebounding so far is as bad as you think it is.

I can roll with this post.

[Employee8]

We've been without Rondo for a while which probably bumps us a few spots back on this chart.
Isn't he the leading rebounding PG in the NBA? (or top 3?)

We are in a unique position because of our defensive power.
We defend so well that we bring opponents down to our rebounding numbers.
ie: the Magic or Pacers dominate good to average teams with rebounding because their opponents give them second shot opportunities in the paint.
When they play us, they face a different beast because we don't let them get those opportunities.
We are the 3rd best defensive team in the NBA, letting our opponents shoot much less and thus rebound much less than the league average.

These things even each other out in a lot of cases.
Good case would be the Clippers, who are ranked 26th in the league in defense, and ranked 5th overall in the power rankings.
I could make the title of a similar thread saying: WE ARE GOING FOR THE GLORY, OUR OFFENSE HAS BEEN STAGNANT BUT WE ARE STILL THE 3RD BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE NBA, WAIT TILL WE GET RONDO AND OUR OFFENSIVE FLOW GOING!
30% into the season is probably too early to make a judgement call like this.

But yes I do agree with the notion that more rebounding would be great for us. I just don't think our lack of rebounding so far is as bad as you think it is.

Dude, you realize that we lose the game last night if Cleveland wasn't an average team?  They had numerous second chance points and didn't capitalize on them.  Anderson Varejao had a career night, yes but we've been regularly outboxed and haven't been able to get the key rebounds we need.  I agree, our defensive effort is there but it's all for naught if we keep giving the opponent's offense a 2nd or 3rd chances.  And when our offense goes stagnant, we're done.

I don't think our opponents are shooting less against us.  I'm not looking at numbers so if anyone can provide them, that'd be great but from watching the games, I can see we suck at rebounding.  You don't need to dig deep to find this out.

[Fafnir]

AV is an awful match up for us because KG is drawn out of the paint by Antwan Jamison and AV gets to attack Jermaine O'Neal and Brandon Bass an awful lot on the glass.

Well that and he as a veteran now is immune from over the backs when we actually do box him out. Used to get called for those....

I do agree though, that rebounding is the weakness that will prevent this team from making a run. We need another big man of quality in that area to help KG. AV would probably be the ideal fit for us, but I doubt we'll make such a win now move.

[MBunge]

Its because Doc doesnt care about offensive rebounds

It's not just offensive rebounds.  Doc pretty clearly thinks Boston's persistent defensive rebounding problems at are entirely about effort, so he refuses to adjust to try and fix it.

Mike 

[Marcus13]

Doc doesn't believe in rebounding.

It's the only explanation I can come up with considering we've had to have 10-15 post players come through in the last four seasons and we've never been good in that category

[guava_wrench]

We are the 3rd best defensive team in the NBA, letting our opponents shoot much less and thus rebound much less than the league average.

There are 2 problems with that statement:

1 - Our opponents shoot more than us
2 - It is OUR shooting that greatly increases our opponents rebounding numbers since they will get the majority of our misses.

There are many factors in this. One big factor is the skill level of our players. KG and JO are no longer the rebounders they once were. Another factor is system. If you challenge a jumper going for a block, you increase the chances of not being able to block out your man. If you rotate on defense, you increase the chances of not having a rebounder in an important location.

Since system is so important in rebounding, the stats can be deceiving. If a system has us scoring considerable more than opponents despite losing the rebounding battle, than the rebounding differential is insignificant. Since we are only a .500 team right now, I can understand people getting upset about an area where we are statistically weak.

[Celtics18]

We are BARELY not in last place in the NBA in rebounding. If this doesnt change then none of this talk matters at all. You cant win anything consistently when you do that, and you definitely cant win in the playoffs. We can hope things/people get better, but if this stat stays the same then we might as well blow this thing up. What trade ideas do people have to improve our rebounding?!

Luckily that stat has been changing.  Despite Anderson Varejao going sick on the glass against us last night, our defensive rebounding rate has showed a marked improvement over our last nine games.  By my calculations we have been getting over 77% of available defensive rebounds over that stretch which would put us near the top of the league in that category.

I certainly agree that defensive rebounding has been one of our achilles heels (along with turnovers) since we built this current version of the Boston Celtics, but hopefully, this trend of protecting the defensive glass better continues. 

[Q_FBE]

You don't have to get any rebounds if you make all your shots and always force Turnovers [Steals, Charges Taken, and knocking the ball out of bounds off your opponents gym shorts, (I thought of one more thing: Bribe the Referee)]. 

[OttawaCeltic]

We are BARELY not in last place in the NBA in rebounding. If this doesnt change then none of this talk matters at all. You cant win anything consistently when you do that, and you definitely cant win in the playoffs. We can hope things/people get better, but if this stat stays the same then we might as well blow this thing up. What trade ideas do people have to improve our rebounding?!

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=53019.0

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Doc has shown SOME coaching growth..but he still is absent on how important rebounding and every possesion is...! He has said, he doesn't care about rebounds, he wants the guys back on D..Well, there isn't one basketball expert that understands this theory of his. When we won, we had PJ brown and Leon Powe cleaning the glass. These days, doc has made it clear, you rebound, you sit....Bass adjusted, he WAS a rebounder....but the guy isn't the boss, doc is....Steamer, he rebounds...he sits....! When you say steamer has no game, you degrade your bball IQ...his shot % is up there, and i live for the day someone passes to him when he is in the paint...he passes VERY well, has a hand on every D play..and is always in a good spot.

[RajonRondo9Dime]

These days, doc has made it clear, you rebound, you sit....Bass adjusted, he WAS a rebounder....but the guy isn't the boss, doc is....Steamer, he rebounds...he sits....!

Sorry, but you've clearly got an agenda, as this just makes no sense. First off, nobody sits because they rebound. That's just silly. Second, Stiemsma is a pretty bad basketball player, and you get MORE from guys like Wilcox and J.O sadly. To pretend that Stiemsma doesn't play because he rebounds is really ignorant.

Also, I'd like to say I follow the Celtics and the NBA quite closely, and I've never heard any talk about how Doc doesn't value rebounding. I can understand his "get back on D" philosophy, but guys sitting because they rebound? Uhhhhhh you're joking, right?

Edited to add.. Bass was NEVER a "rebounder." In fact, he's averaging a career high in rebounds this year.Nearly 1 full rebound more than last year, in just 3 more minutes. Pretty much everything you said was ridiculous, no offense

[CelticG1]

centers are overrated. Hasn't Orlando been bottom of the league in rebounding the past few years?

Unless you have a marquee center I would not invest much money in a center long term.