Pierce angry at Doc, blames him for loss

[heitingas]

http://www.csnne.com/pages/v11_videodetail?PID=uvXM2-oy1yLYjw21yW83DCkxaH1xuYQt8PYQke

You could see he's furious at Doc and is blaming him for the loss, the only thing is he didn't say it out loud but he's upset.

[SHAQATTACK]

PP seems to have a valid point...once you get the oponent down, leave the good players in and get the kill.

Doc was "THINKING" to much, about saving his guys ect, and forgot the Celtics had to play out the game for the win.

But,  he should have taken Doc aside in private and expressed his point .   

 

[greenpride32]

We had a decent lead (7-12 point rage), but it wasn't a blow out by any stretch.  How do you keep PP out for the first EIGHT MINUTES of the 4th quarter?  Just to compare this to the ORL blow out game P played 3 minutes in the 4th of that game.  So he gets 1 minute more of a close game?

[Roy H.]

PP seems to have a valid point...once you get the oponent down, leave the good players in and get the kill.

Doc was "THINKING" to much, about saving his guys ect, and forgot the Celtics had to play out the game for the win.

Maybe.  At the same time, at the start of the 4th quarter the lead was 8.  When Pierce came back into the game, the lead was 8.  The team (with Pierce in there) managed to blow that 8 point lead in 3:42.

I think Paul was right in his initial comments:  defense and turnovers cost them the game.  However, if anybody should be blamed for choking the game away, it's the starters.

[Jaycelt]

Pierce angry at Doc, blames him for loss

Except he not only clearly says he doesn't blame Doc, he also seems his least angry when explaining why. I tend to believe him when he says he's simply angry about losing.

[CelticsFanNC]

PP seems to have a valid point...once you get the oponent down, leave the good players in and get the kill.

Doc was "THINKING" to much, about saving his guys ect, and forgot the Celtics had to play out the game for the win.

Maybe.  At the same time, at the start of the 4th quarter the lead was 8.  When Pierce came back into the game, the lead was 8.  The team (with Pierce in there) managed to blow that 8 point lead in 3:42.

I think Paul was right in his initial comments:  defense and turnovers cost them the game.  However, if anybody should be blamed for choking the game away, it's the starters.

  I agree.  Blaming the officials or Doc for that loss when the players turned the ball over, the players made terrible decisions, the players lost an 8pt lead with less then 4 minutes to play because they didn't defend well enough to me is just wrong.

[mgent]

I agree that there's a time a place to finish off a team and take away any hope, but I HIGHLY doubt anybody on the team thinks Doc deserves all the blame and the title of the thread purposely misleads in that direction.  Contenders should be able to finish any close game no matter how much they're up by, or down by, or how much time is left.

Pierce is lucky he's not on the Spurs.  Pop's 2nd unit gave them a lead, and played the last 20 minutes including OT.

[Marcus13]

IMO, he's 100% wrong.  IF Doc was wrong with rotations, it's for putting Pierce and Garnett back on teh floor.  The bench and Ray would have brought us a win

[PosImpos]

It's not Doc's fault the team couldn't get a stop to save their lives in the last few minutes, and also couldn't run a decent offensive set to get a good look.

Blame the point guards for allowing Irving to penetrate at will, and the bigs for hardly defending the rim all game, which gave the Cavs the confidence to attack inside again and again.

[Fafnir]

It's not Doc's fault the team couldn't get a stop to save their lives in the last few minutes, and also couldn't run a decent offensive set to get a good look.

Blame the point guards for allowing Irving to penetrate at will, and the bigs for hardly defending the rim all game, which gave the Cavs the confidence to attack inside again and again.

This is one of those cases where Doc tried to get away with less minutes for the starters. But I don't think it effected the game much.

Still can't blame anyone but the players on the floor when you don't score for so long on so many possessions. Even simply securing rebounds and working the full 24 seconds would have been enough.

[PosImpos]

It's not Doc's fault the team couldn't get a stop to save their lives in the last few minutes, and also couldn't run a decent offensive set to get a good look.

Blame the point guards for allowing Irving to penetrate at will, and the bigs for hardly defending the rim all game, which gave the Cavs the confidence to attack inside again and again.

This is one of those cases where Doc tried to get away with less minutes for the starters. But I don't think it effected the game much.

Still can't blame anyone but the players on the floor when you don't score for so long on so many possessions. Even simply securing rebounds and working the full 24 seconds would have been enough.

As you say, even holding the ball for most of the shot clock and then having somebody drive into the opposing defense to try to create contact and get to the line would have kept the lead.

Unfortunately we don't have a player on the team capable of driving and getting to the line consistently.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I actually mentioned this last night in the Ray Allen thread, with 4 minutes to go and a 10 point lead, Doc and our starters seemed to think the game was already in the bag, and lost focus of what needed to be done. When the Cavs made their run, the starters had already checked out of the game mentally and couldn't recover.

[bfrombleacher]

I agree with not blaming Doc (at least completely).

Pierce isn't either: "It's not his job to explain that. The coaches make their decisions. But at the time we had a pretty good lead, so I could understand it."

I was really hard on Doc at the beginning of the season for leaning too hard on the starters (and I stand by that) but he has  improved substantially. In this (up to the final moments of the game) blowout, Bass was the one who logged the most minutes with 38. Pierce and Ray both had 35.

If anything he should be commended for placing trust in different players. Its unfortunate that they weren't able to step up (partially because Doc never really went with the bench much. Yup I don't blame Doc for this but he's still guilty for not playing the bench.)

I blame this loss on tough luck (consecutive missed shots were ridiculous). Nothing else. Bite the bullet and move on Celtics fans.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Other than poor decision making from Doc in the 4th, my only complaint would be not playing Wilcox more instead of going for 38 minutes with Bass.

Wilcox has been playing quite well last 4 or so games, and was quite effective yesterday. Could certainly have logged in a few more minutes I think.

[slamtheking]

PP seems to have a valid point...once you get the oponent down, leave the good players in and get the kill.

Doc was "THINKING" to much, about saving his guys ect, and forgot the Celtics had to play out the game for the win.

Maybe.  At the same time, at the start of the 4th quarter the lead was 8.  When Pierce came back into the game, the lead was 8.  The team (with Pierce in there) managed to blow that 8 point lead in 3:42.

I think Paul was right in his initial comments:  defense and turnovers cost them the game.  However, if anybody should be blamed for choking the game away, it's the starters.

Exactly, it was the starters that were on the floor when the C's were coughing up the lead at the end.  blown layup by Ray, blown call when PP tossed up the ball trying to get a foul call and a travel on KG.  throw in that last defensive play by Bradley when he got picked but once he cleared the pick and didn't seal off Irving from spinning back on the play (which is just what he did) let Irving get the layup instead of forcing him to put up a contested shot in Bass' face.