Pierce for Anthony?

[PosImpos]

PosImpos...Among other things...Pierce has played for two completely different coaches.  He's done what each coach asked of him to lead each of those teams to the absolute pinnacle that they could possibly attain.  So to say he'd fit in to the Knicks' roster better than the snitchster would is, respectfully, stating the obvious.  Trade those two players on last years teams and we don't get out of the first round.

I'm not going to say the snitchster doesn't care about winning.  But he has no history of compromising any part of his game to fit into a team concept. 

The Knicks were much better when they had an actual leader last season.  They don't have one now.  They'd be trading for one in this trade so they'd be markedly better.  Even if they'd be getting a less talented player.


The snitchster will likely have an Iversonesque career.  He's a little more likable than Iverson so his career probably won't end the way Iverson's did.  But he'll put up the same kind of stats and play for the same number of coaches...And likely the same number of teams.  The Knicks organization isn't nearly as stable as the Nuggets and won't give any coach the opportunity to see things through that the Nuggets have given George Karl.

I'm curious . . . why do you refer to Melo as "the snitchster"?

Gentlemen (assuming you're both male here).  You're going to have to agree to disagree and move on.  Thing's like "you're hopeless" and "condescending" aren't for here.  Please drop it. - Redz

I've already said I'm done discussing this with Byennie.  I've said my peace on the matter.

You'll notice I never used either of the terms to which you referred.

[Fafnir]

Melo appeared in a viral sort of video tape that was traded around Baltimore that called for people to "Stop Snitchn'"

IE stop talking to the police about crimes, criminals, and other information they ask of you.

[PosImpos]

Melo appeared in a viral sort of video tape that was traded around Baltimore that called for people to "Stop Snitchn'"

IE stop talking to the police about crimes, criminals, and other information they ask of you.

Wow.  That certainly lowers my opinion of him as a person.

[Fafnir]

Melo appeared in a viral sort of video tape that was traded around Baltimore that called for people to "Stop Snitchn'"

IE stop talking to the police about crimes, criminals, and other information they ask of you.

Wow.  That certainly lowers my opinion of him as a person.

Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

I don't recall what he was doing in the video though, I'm sure you can find it online somewhere if you really want to see it.

[Who]

Melo appeared in a viral sort of video tape that was traded around Baltimore that called for people to "Stop Snitchn'"

IE stop talking to the police about crimes, criminals, and other information they ask of you.

Wow.  That certainly lowers my opinion of him as a person.

Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

I don't recall what he was doing in the video though, I'm sure you can find it online somewhere if you really want to see it.

I haven't seen it but if I recall correctly ... I believe Melo was just in the background while someone was filming their video. Used his fame to get extra attention.

Melo in no way endorsed the movie.

[Who]

Pierce doesn't have this type of trade value. He is too old.

[Finkelskyhook]

Melo appeared in a viral sort of video tape that was traded around Baltimore that called for people to "Stop Snitchn'"

IE stop talking to the police about crimes, criminals, and other information they ask of you.

Wow.  That certainly lowers my opinion of him as a person.

Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

I don't recall what he was doing in the video though, I'm sure you can find it online somewhere if you really want to see it.

I haven't seen it but if I recall correctly ... I believe Melo was just in the background while someone was filming their video. Used his fame to get extra attention.

Melo in no way endorsed the movie.

He appeared in it.  Therefore he endorsed it. 

So the proposed trade that PosImpos proposes includes us trading a guy who sacrificed his game to take us to a championship....Who got stabbed...For a more talented guy who has the character to be "just in the background" of a movie/skit/whatever that would discourage anybody who knew from snitching on the guy who would stab somebody....And has no history of compromising anything for the good of his team. 

If your goal is to win a championship, who would you rather have?

[Who]

Melo appeared in a viral sort of video tape that was traded around Baltimore that called for people to "Stop Snitchn'"

IE stop talking to the police about crimes, criminals, and other information they ask of you.

Wow.  That certainly lowers my opinion of him as a person.

Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

I don't recall what he was doing in the video though, I'm sure you can find it online somewhere if you really want to see it.

I haven't seen it but if I recall correctly ... I believe Melo was just in the background while someone was filming their video. Used his fame to get extra attention.

Melo in no way endorsed the movie.

He appeared in it.  Therefore he endorsed it. 

So the proposed trade that PosImpos proposes includes us trading a guy who sacrificed his game to take us to a championship....Who got stabbed...For a more talented guy who has the character to be "just in the background" of a movie/skit/whatever that would discourage anybody who knew from snitching on the guy who would stab somebody....And has no history of compromising anything for the good of his team. 

If your goal is to win a championship, who would you rather have?

My understanding is that Melo didn't even know anyone was filming him nevermind what they were making a video about.

That is not endorsing it.

[byennie]

I guess we have very different definitions of what it means to hijack a thread.

I assumed you were a new[ish] or inexperienced poster because I haven't noticed you making posts elsewhere, your post count is low, you have no avatar / signature, etc.  In short, I don't recognize you.


In any case, you've clearly taken offense to my dismissal of your trade idea.  I apologize that the nature of my response has offended you so, though I do not retract my statements because I maintain their validity -- the trade idea proposed in the original thread is completely unrealistic.

That concludes what I'm going to say on the matter.

Fair enough, and cheers / peace / etc on the matter, not my intention to escalate it. Consider it dropped.

[Finkelskyhook]

Melo appeared in a viral sort of video tape that was traded around Baltimore that called for people to "Stop Snitchn'"

IE stop talking to the police about crimes, criminals, and other information they ask of you.

Wow.  That certainly lowers my opinion of him as a person.

Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

I don't recall what he was doing in the video though, I'm sure you can find it online somewhere if you really want to see it.

I haven't seen it but if I recall correctly ... I believe Melo was just in the background while someone was filming their video. Used his fame to get extra attention.

Melo in no way endorsed the movie.

He appeared in it.  Therefore he endorsed it. 

So the proposed trade that PosImpos proposes includes us trading a guy who sacrificed his game to take us to a championship....Who got stabbed...For a more talented guy who has the character to be "just in the background" of a movie/skit/whatever that would discourage anybody who knew from snitching on the guy who would stab somebody....And has no history of compromising anything for the good of his team. 

If your goal is to win a championship, who would you rather have?

My understanding is that Melo didn't even know anyone was filming him nevermind what they were making a video about.

That is not endorsing it.

Who...He was in the background laughing uncontrollably.  If that's not an endorsement of what they were saying, I don't know what is.  Whether or not he knew it was being filmed is irrelevent. 

I wouldn't want somebody like this anywhere near my team.  New York could waive him and I wouldn't want him.

Danny desleazed the roster years ago for a reason.

[Finkelskyhook]

What it comes down to is what your goals are as an organization.  

If you believe your fan base is shallow enough to keep attendance up with amazing, exciting individual talent and marginal results, then you obtain players like Anthony or Iverson and extend them long term.

I doubt that Ainge believes that our fan base will tolerate  anything other than contending for a championship or to be aggressively building towards one.  Those should be the only goals that would satisfy a fan base for a team who has 17 championships.  

The snitchster does not have the pedigree to excell in either of those scenarios.  

Our fans have higher standards than that.

[xmuscularghandix]

I'd rather stab my eyes out.

[indeedproceed]

Pierce doesn't have this type of trade value. He is too old.

Yep. New York traded away their entire non-amare or fields team for melo. They arent going to take pierce in his place.

Plus I don't even know how much better he makes us. He's a talent upgrade but a culture downgrade.

[JBcat]

Okay, I'll bite.

The Knicks traded away most of their team and a couple of picks in order to get Melo.  They're not going to trade him away to get a 34 year old player at the same position whose only advantage over Melo is his passing.

You'd have to offer Rondo and Pierce to the Knicks to even get them to think about it, and even then I doubt they'd bite.  Throwing in a couple of mid to late 1st round draft picks isn't going to even it out.

As much as the Knicks have struggled, Melo is still one of the best scorers in the league, and he's just entering his prime.

Fair enough and NBA GMs probably don't work like this, but what the Knicks spent to get 'Melo are sunk costs. They made the Ricky Williams trade and lost. They have no chance of cap room AND are out 3 1st rounders between now and 2016.

Consider this - Stoudemire, Anthony and Chandler are paid more than LeBron, Wade and Bosh, and the Heat actually still own their draft picks. How could the Knicks ever hope to get past the Heat and contend for a title this decade if they don't move someone soon?

That said, I bet they ultimately find a taker for Stoudemire, but that's a LOT of money for bad uninsured knees...

Just pointing out I think the heat traded away a bunch of their first round picks when they did sign and trade deals for bosh and Lebron.

[byennie]

Just pointing out I think the heat traded away a bunch of their first round picks when they did sign and trade deals for bosh and Lebron.

Good call. Looks like they still owe 3 picks to Cleveland (go Cavs?).

Still I do think the Knicks are pretty stuck if they have no money to spend, no Bird rights on anyone decent, no draft picks, and are 7-13 with their "Big 3" so far. I'm sure they'll give it some more time, maybe fire a coach or two, but if it doesn't turn around they're going to be wishing they could draft a decent player or two...