Pierce for Anthony?

[CelticsFanNC]

  Carmelo, right now,  in  the heart of his prime isn't a player who is more conducive to winning then Paul Pierce is right now at a stage where he is past his prime.  

  That's says a whole lot about the kind of player Carmelo is.  He's not Celtic timber.  The Celtics at their most successful have always had star players who were willing to sacrifice individual accolades for the sake of winning as a team.  Carmelo has proven in NYC that he is not that kind of player.

[slamtheking]

Mello is one of the greatest alltime "individual" players.  One on one is is in the top five players in the league . Celtic ball is team ball.

HE would screw up the whole team chemistry. Like he did at Denver and NY.

TO the average fan Mello is fun to watch and appears to make the team unbeatable or better. But on a team ball concept he clearly fails and makes a team worse.

I think we have learned his type of player , while being good enough to make a team a playoff team every year , can't carry a team to a Championship in the NBA.  (maybe college)

Mello would have to reinvent himself, or become a more intense deffensive player, intensive rebounder, let the game come to him instead of trying to force his shot /or will on every play.

Mello is the worst of his type of player,  Kobe is the best...with better passing, and overall play .

Mello would be good on the Bobcats ,Wizzards, Raptors, teams that need a clear direction or identity.

I told my brotha this Melo is gonna be a career loser IMO cuz he's too selfish to sacrifice for a ring just a 20,000 point scorer wit no accolades or rings

yup, just described Iverson when describing Melo.  I think Melo's the better player but I don't see that team-first mentality.

[Chris]

First, if the Knicks go in a different direction, I think Anthony is the safest player on their roster.  I could see them try to move Amare or Chandler to balance the roster a bit and get a PG, but not Melo.  And certainly not for Pierce, who has a very similar skillset, and is older.

[LooseCannon]

I would not make this trade, but I would rather have Amare than Melo.

[Finkelskyhook]

I would only do this trade if the knicks threw in Baron Davis along with the snitchster ....

So we could have a truly dysfunctional team. 

[feckless]

Would not do!  Melo is the better offense but PP is the better basketball player.  PP has a much more rounded game--look at the assist game he showed last week, defense the year we won, leadership!

[feckless]

Opinions may vary widely here, but I don't think a deal centered around Pierce for Anthony is that far-fetched.

Of course you dont, you're viewing it from the perspective of a Celtics fan.

Geez people, it's getting awfully hard to have fun with trade scenarios around here. The condescension level is deafening.

Don't want condescension some Celtics loyalty is implied with Celtics Blog participation--Pierce a career Celtic and you propose a trade for a knick who is a whiner, a ball hog, an anti-Celtic personality.  You should have anticipated a less than kind response for this idea.

[PosImpos]

Opinions may vary widely here, but I don't think a deal centered around Pierce for Anthony is that far-fetched.

Of course you dont, you're viewing it from the perspective of a Celtics fan.

Geez people, it's getting awfully hard to have fun with trade scenarios around here. The condescension level is deafening.

Don't want condescension some Celtics loyalty is implied with Celtics Blog participation--Pierce a career Celtic and you propose a trade for a knick who is a whiner, a ball hog, an anti-Celtic personality.  You should have anticipated a less than kind response for this idea.

Forget about Celtics loyalty -- this is a blog for people who are hardcore fans of the NBA in general.  If you come on here and make a trade proposal that is obviously ridiculous and that any GM in the league would openly laugh at, you should expect to get a sarcastic / condescending response.

If you're new here and you don't know as much as everybody else, that's fine.  I'm not saying it's okay for posters to run the naive or less knowledgeable fans out of town.  

But I think it's reasonable on Internet forums, especially ones focused around a specific topic (like the Celtics and the NBA), to hold newer people to the expectation that they'll lurk a bit and read other people's posts for a while before they make topics of their own.

[byennie]

Forget about Celtics loyalty -- this is a blog for people who are hardcore fans of the NBA in general.  If you come on here and make a trade proposal that is obviously ridiculous and that any GM in the league would openly laugh at, you should except to get a sarcastic / condescending response.

If you're new here and you don't know as much as everybody else, that's fine.  I'm not saying it's okay for posters to run the naive or less knowledgeable fans out of town. 

But I think it's reasonable on Internet forums, especially ones focused around a specific topic (like the Celtics and the NBA), to hold newer people to the expectation that they'll lurk a bit and read other people's posts for a while before they make topics of their own.

You kind of proved my point there... how condescending can you get? I must be new here, or naive?I'm very much a hardcore fan, I understand quite well the salary cap, player value, advanced metrics (which like baseball now are a major force in player evaluations), and everything else.

I've also participated here for a couple of years and am fairly careful about adding something to the discussion. I'm actually a lot more discerning that you it would seem, considering you post here 11 time a day (!).

Feel free to disagree, I think trade threads are obviously for fun, and frankly more fun with a little disagreement. Just look at this one... at least half the people here think it's a bad trade for the Celtics! But all you've really said here in a slightly nicer way it "haha what a dumb idea". That's the sort of thing that makes a forum less enjoyable.

Most superstars are traded for less when things go sour. Especially ones that may be perceived as petulant, no-defense, luxury tax inducing contracts. Obviously if the Knicks still feel good about Carmelo this ain't gonna happen. That's why it's a theoretical thread in a fan forum.

[PosImpos]

Forget about Celtics loyalty -- this is a blog for people who are hardcore fans of the NBA in general.  If you come on here and make a trade proposal that is obviously ridiculous and that any GM in the league would openly laugh at, you should expect to get a sarcastic / condescending response.

If you're new here and you don't know as much as everybody else, that's fine.  I'm not saying it's okay for posters to run the naive or less knowledgeable fans out of town.  

But I think it's reasonable on Internet forums, especially ones focused around a specific topic (like the Celtics and the NBA), to hold newer people to the expectation that they'll lurk a bit and read other people's posts for a while before they make topics of their own.

You kind of proved my point there... how condescending can you get? I must be new here, or naive?I'm very much a hardcore fan, I understand quite well the salary cap, player value, advanced metrics (which like baseball now are a major force in player evaluations), and everything else.

I've also participated here for a couple of years and am fairly careful about adding something to the discussion. I'm actually a lot more discerning that you it would seem, considering you post here 11 time a day (!).

Feel free to disagree, I think trade threads are obviously for fun, and frankly more fun with a little disagreement. Just look at this one... at least half the people here think it's a bad trade for the Celtics! But all you've really said here in a slightly nicer way it "haha what a dumb idea". That's the sort of thing that makes a forum less enjoyable.

Most superstars are traded for less when things go sour. Especially ones that may be perceived as petulant, no-defense, luxury tax inducing contracts. Obviously if the Knicks still feel good about Carmelo this ain't gonna happen. That's why it's a theoretical thread in a fan forum.

If this were not a Celtics forum, you would have been treated much less nicely for proposing a Pierce for Melo swap.  That's where I'm gonna leave this one.

[feckless]

Forget about Celtics loyalty -- this is a blog for people who are hardcore fans of the NBA in general.  If you come on here and make a trade proposal that is obviously ridiculous and that any GM in the league would openly laugh at, you should expect to get a sarcastic / condescending response.

If you're new here and you don't know as much as everybody else, that's fine.  I'm not saying it's okay for posters to run the naive or less knowledgeable fans out of town.  

But I think it's reasonable on Internet forums, especially ones focused around a specific topic (like the Celtics and the NBA), to hold newer people to the expectation that they'll lurk a bit and read other people's posts for a while before they make topics of their own.

You kind of proved my point there... how condescending can you get? I must be new here, or naive?I'm very much a hardcore fan, I understand quite well the salary cap, player value, advanced metrics (which like baseball now are a major force in player evaluations), and everything else.

I've also participated here for a couple of years and am fairly careful about adding something to the discussion. I'm actually a lot more discerning that you it would seem, considering you post here 11 time a day (!).

Feel free to disagree, I think trade threads are obviously for fun, and frankly more fun with a little disagreement. Just look at this one... at least half the people here think it's a bad trade for the Celtics! But all you've really said here in a slightly nicer way it "haha what a dumb idea". That's the sort of thing that makes a forum less enjoyable.

Most superstars are traded for less when things go sour. Especially ones that may be perceived as petulant, no-defense, luxury tax inducing contracts. Obviously if the Knicks still feel good about Carmelo this ain't gonna happen. That's why it's a theoretical thread in a fan forum.

If this were not a Celtics forum, you would have been treated much less nicely for proposing a Pierce for Melo swap.  That's where I'm gonna leave this one.

This is true but isn't that as it should be on a CELTICS forum where a proposed trade of the CELTICS Captain for a knick is made?

[Finkelskyhook]

Opinions may vary widely here, but I don't think a deal centered around Pierce for Anthony is that far-fetched.

Of course you dont, you're viewing it from the perspective of a Celtics fan.

Geez people, it's getting awfully hard to have fun with trade scenarios around here. The condescension level is deafening.

Don't want condescension some Celtics loyalty is implied with Celtics Blog participation--Pierce a career Celtic and you propose a trade for a knick who is a whiner, a ball hog, an anti-Celtic personality.  You should have anticipated a less than kind response for this idea.

Forget about Celtics loyalty -- this is a blog for people who are hardcore fans of the NBA in general.  If you come on here and make a trade proposal that is obviously ridiculous and that any GM in the league would openly laugh at, you should except to get a sarcastic / condescending response.

If you're new here and you don't know as much as everybody else, that's fine.  I'm not saying it's okay for posters to run the naive or less knowledgeable fans out of town.  

But I think it's reasonable on Internet forums, especially ones focused around a specific topic (like the Celtics and the NBA), to hold newer people to the expectation that they'll lurk a bit and read other people's posts for a while before they make topics of their own.

Knick fans will continue to go to games whether they're winning or not.  Any team that lampoons idiots like spike lee and McEnroe as highlights above their own players will continue to put out a product like they have now.  Tyson Chandler can't help this bunch.
Hell, this bunch sees Baron Freaking Davis as an answer.

I'd like to think the C's organization, while being grossly imperfect, doesn't assume that their fans are attending to see Wahlberg or Affleck...But want to see actual basketball being played by 5 players and not one..On both ends of the court..The snitchster is the antithesis of Celtics basketball.

Replace the snitchster with Pierce and the  Knicks become a feared contender.  Replace Pierce with the snitchster and the Celtics become the Nuggets prior to getting rid of him.

The snitchster will never sacrifice his game for the good of the team.

[PosImpos]

Forget about Celtics loyalty -- this is a blog for people who are hardcore fans of the NBA in general.  If you come on here and make a trade proposal that is obviously ridiculous and that any GM in the league would openly laugh at, you should expect to get a sarcastic / condescending response.

If you're new here and you don't know as much as everybody else, that's fine.  I'm not saying it's okay for posters to run the naive or less knowledgeable fans out of town. 

But I think it's reasonable on Internet forums, especially ones focused around a specific topic (like the Celtics and the NBA), to hold newer people to the expectation that they'll lurk a bit and read other people's posts for a while before they make topics of their own.

You kind of proved my point there... how condescending can you get? I must be new here, or naive?I'm very much a hardcore fan, I understand quite well the salary cap, player value, advanced metrics (which like baseball now are a major force in player evaluations), and everything else.

I've also participated here for a couple of years and am fairly careful about adding something to the discussion. I'm actually a lot more discerning that you it would seem, considering you post here 11 time a day (!).

Feel free to disagree, I think trade threads are obviously for fun, and frankly more fun with a little disagreement. Just look at this one... at least half the people here think it's a bad trade for the Celtics! But all you've really said here in a slightly nicer way it "haha what a dumb idea". That's the sort of thing that makes a forum less enjoyable.

Most superstars are traded for less when things go sour. Especially ones that may be perceived as petulant, no-defense, luxury tax inducing contracts. Obviously if the Knicks still feel good about Carmelo this ain't gonna happen. That's why it's a theoretical thread in a fan forum.

If this were not a Celtics forum, you would have been treated much less nicely for proposing a Pierce for Melo swap.  That's where I'm gonna leave this one.

This is true but isn't that as it should be on a CELTICS forum where a proposed trade of the CELTICS Captain for a knick is made?

I'm not really understanding what you're saying.  The fact that the OP got some heat for proposing a trade of the franchise hero for a member of a New York team is not surprising.  However, I think the response from the opposite end of the spectrum would have been much more extreme and jeering if this were not a Celtics forum.  Few people value Celtics players nearly as highly as we do outside of this forum.

[PosImpos]

Replace the snitchster with Pierce and the Knicks become the Knicks become a feared contender.  Replace Pierce with the snitchster and the Celtics become the Nuggets prior to getting rid of him.

The snitchster will never sacrifice his game for the good of the team.

I'll admit I didn't understand much of that rant, but here's what stuck with me:

You're telling me the only thing between the Knicks being a "feared contender" and being a sub-.500 also-ran is switching Melo for 34 year old Paul Pierce?

Wow.  People are even more biased on this forum than I realized.

[byennie]

If this were not a Celtics forum, you would have been treated much less nicely for proposing a Pierce for Melo swap.  That's where I'm gonna leave this one.

OK, whatever, trust me I know there are much less friendly forums out there. I just don't buy the whole bit about expecting a sarcastic response. If you wanna hold yourself to the standard of the average internet forum troll / flame, then fine. That's your prerogative. I just happen to thing this is a great site and could be better if some of the regulars were a little more respectful.

And BTW I did point out that we could include up to 3 1st rounders in the deal. I'd bet money that there are more than a few people who would see Pierce + 3 picks as a decent haul for a disgruntled and overpaid Anthony, even if you are not among them.

But that's not why we're carrying on here, unfortunately. I know you aren't going to back down in this thread, so maybe just think about it a little next time before you feel the need to make the 1st reply to a new topic a sarcastic comment.