Is Rondo not good enough for Cs ?

[GrandTheftRondo]

I dont understand a lot of people here, one week contemplating trading pierce, the previous week allen, and now Rondo.

welcome to CB....where "what have u done for me lately", "the grass is greener (excuse the pun, lol) on the other side", "trade proposals, no matter how bad, are created", and where "rebuilding is great forum fodder" takes place.

 

It's really crazy. I thought the current string of wins would make all the Pierce trade talk die for awhile, but it was only replaced by Rondo and Allen trade talk. It makes me not even want to come here unless I'm posting in a game thread.

Is it that hard to give our team a chance when they are ALL healthy? Wow.

[saltlover]

In reading the forums here (which are great), the opinions on Rondo range broadly.  I can undertand how Celtics fans love Rondo.  He hustles, he has big time focus/intensity, and he produces.  He is flawed as a player though and these flaws seem to be overlooked more by Celtics fans that those on the outside (at least that is my opinion).  But overall, I get the love for Rondo.

What I don't get the lack of love for Deron Williams.  I see the "he is a Cancer" statement a lot.  Now I have never been in the locker room but based on what I see (on the court) and hear (statements in paper, interviews, etc.) I do not see a cancer.  A skin rash maybe but not a cancer.

Williams is a premier player in this league IMO.  I believe that if we could get him for say roughly Rondo and the Clippers pick (I know it would take more than that to balance salary/talent), that the move would vault us to the top tier instantly.  Williams can do it all, pass, shoot, defend, pick and roll; what more could you possibly want in a player?

I believe the Cancer fears are based on him tangling with Sloan.  That is definitely a red flag but I have never seen anything on the court that would reflect an attitude issue.  He plays hard, stays focused, and plays the game the way I like to see it played (as does Rondo).

So is "Rondo not good enough for me"?  Rondo is fine, I just think Williams is much better.

A Hall of Fame coach essentially quit because of Deron Williams, virtually out of the blue, from a job he'd held for 20 years.  Do we know exactly what happened?  No, of course not.  But does Sloan's sudden exit raise all kinds of red flags?  Absolutely.  Rondo may have his hard-headed moments, but he hasn't caused Doc to quit.  Williams may be more talented (okay, he is) but he has a huge red flag.

[Tgro]

I simply don't trust Rondo. I wish this was merely a question of ability and potential because Rondo has all of that, but I just don't trust Rondo. He's always a question mark game to game and how he's going to play. Not only how much he's going to contribute, but is he going to run the offense well or not.

I get tired of seeing rosters of opposing teams and thinking to myself, they're screwed because we got Rondo and he'll out play their PG easily, then be disappointed by the result.

He strings together a few awesome games which I think will be the turning point, but then he reverts to his old self. Seems to happen every season. Then the playoffs come, and he puts together a few more awesome games, and then he once again stars disappointing again on both sides of the ball.

I don't know really. I'd be happy with him if he simply became more consistent. Showed me a lot of good signs early on in the season, though he still needs to find a better balance between running the offense and looking for his offense, but I just can't trust him still.

TP

This sums it up for me pretty well.

I love Rondo but at times he drives me nuts. He's got all the talent in the world but I think at times he plays reckless and puts us in bad situations. Other times, he's the complete difference in the game and why we won. He's just not consistent enough.

I often hear haters of the Celtics calling Rondo overrated. He's not seen as elite, just decent to pretty good. He needs to work on his weaknesses in a bad way. He's capable of being the best point guard in the league but I think his ways of improving have been stubborn. As it is, other players come to mind ahead of him. I keep hoping when it comes to Rondo. When he's on, he's awesome! He just needs to be more consistent.

[Inside-Out]

In reading the forums here (which are great), the opinions on Rondo range broadly.  I can undertand how Celtics fans love Rondo.  He hustles, he has big time focus/intensity, and he produces.  He is flawed as a player though and these flaws seem to be overlooked more by Celtics fans that those on the outside (at least that is my opinion).  But overall, I get the love for Rondo.

What I don't get the lack of love for Deron Williams.  I see the "he is a Cancer" statement a lot.  Now I have never been in the locker room but based on what I see (on the court) and hear (statements in paper, interviews, etc.) I do not see a cancer.  A skin rash maybe but not a cancer.

Williams is a premier player in this league IMO.  I believe that if we could get him for say roughly Rondo and the Clippers pick (I know it would take more than that to balance salary/talent), that the move would vault us to the top tier instantly.  Williams can do it all, pass, shoot, defend, pick and roll; what more could you possibly want in a player?

I believe the Cancer fears are based on him tangling with Sloan.  That is definitely a red flag but I have never seen anything on the court that would reflect an attitude issue.  He plays hard, stays focused, and plays the game the way I like to see it played (as does Rondo).

So is "Rondo not good enough for me"?  Rondo is fine, I just think Williams is much better.

A Hall of Fame coach essentially quit because of Deron Williams, virtually out of the blue, from a job he'd held for 20 years.  Do we know exactly what happened?  No, of course not.  But does Sloan's sudden exit raise all kinds of red flags?  Absolutely.  Rondo may have his hard-headed moments, but he hasn't caused Doc to quit.  Williams may be more talented (okay, he is) but he has a huge red flag.

I agree with this completely, as I have huge respect for Sloan, but I have to at least ponder the thought that Sloan could have handled him perfectly well.  The guy's a HOF coach, after all, and has surely butted heads with players before.

I get a feeling, though, that the whole debacle in Utah might really underscore the problem the league/owners have with the current superstar player powerstructure in the NBA.  The question is whether ownership still had Sloan's back, and I'm inclined to think they didn't.  And a coach without backing from higher-ups should properly quit.

So it might be less Sloan/Williams and more about cow-towing to overly pampered and entitled superstars.

On the court, though, Williams is a lot more steady/consistent than Rondo, and that is an important characteristic to consider.

And Doc is perhaps the best coach in the league at showing and receiving respect from players, so if the on-court stuff is okay, I think Doc can handle the locker room BS.

But the upgrade from Rondo to another PG is only so much, IMO, so I wouldn't stack many other assets in a trade, so perhaps the best thing is to just roll with it and worry about other things.  Crap, we're still talking about shoring up the middle AGAIN this year...

[BballTim]

Is Rondo not good enough for Cs ?

Based on his current ability, he isn't -- at least not for the role that the Celtics are trying to cast him in starting next season. There is a number of people here who share this opinion, and it has little to do with what transpired last week.

  First of all, Rondo took on more of a scoring role earlier this year because most of his teammates had trouble putting the ball in the basket, which is something all of his detractors assured me that he was incapable of. Secondly, you have no idea of what type of roster we'll have next year or what role Rondo will be cast in. A number of people here share your opinion, not because they have any idea if it's correct or not but because it bolsters their arguments for trading Rondo.

[Rtpas11]

Didn't we hear this same Cancer thing about Stephon Marbury & even Nate Robinson? C'mon now... Williams did not get Sloan a HOF coach fired or make him quit. Utah Organization felt his time had reached as coach after getting close, but failing all those years to win a championship. Deron is a better fit for this club, especially because pf his pick & pop or roll ability with a Brando Bass or K.G. Rondo's good but not for this team. we have never won a championship with Rondo being the finisher @ point and never will. I guarantee Moore gets subbed in for Rondo in the playoffs.

[BballTim]

Williams is a premier player in this league IMO.  I believe that if we could get him for say roughly Rondo and the Clippers pick (I know it would take more than that to balance salary/talent), that the move would vault us to the top tier instantly.  Williams can do it all, pass, shoot, defend, pick and roll; what more could you possibly want in a player?

  It's true Deron does it all, but not always great. He's never been known as a great defender or rebounder and I've never thought that his non-scoring point guard skills were a little below the Rondo/Nash/CP3 level.

[Celtics18]

Deron Williams and his Nets have been playing better of late, but D-Will is still shooting below 40% from the field for the season with an assist to turnover ratio below 2 to 1.

[kozlodoev]

Is Rondo not good enough for Cs ?

Based on his current ability, he isn't -- at least not for the role that the Celtics are trying to cast him in starting next season. There is a number of people here who share this opinion, and it has little to do with what transpired last week.

  First of all, Rondo took on more of a scoring role earlier this year because most of his teammates had trouble putting the ball in the basket, which is something all of his detractors assured me that he was incapable of. Secondly, you have no idea of what type of roster we'll have next year or what role Rondo will be cast in. A number of people here share your opinion, not because they have any idea if it's correct or not but because it bolsters their arguments for trading Rondo.

Yeah, forgive me if Rondo's 15 points per game are not convincing me of his "scoring prowess". Sure, he got a handful of big scoring games, and we lost them all. The fact that the rest of the squad needed to start playing better before we started winning should tell you all you need to know about Rondo's ability to be a franchise player at this stage of his career.

As for the roster makeup, unless we sign a player that is better than Rondo (or trade him for one), look for us to be the Golden State Warriors of the East.

[BballTim]

Is Rondo not good enough for Cs ?

Based on his current ability, he isn't -- at least not for the role that the Celtics are trying to cast him in starting next season. There is a number of people here who share this opinion, and it has little to do with what transpired last week.

  First of all, Rondo took on more of a scoring role earlier this year because most of his teammates had trouble putting the ball in the basket, which is something all of his detractors assured me that he was incapable of. Secondly, you have no idea of what type of roster we'll have next year or what role Rondo will be cast in. A number of people here share your opinion, not because they have any idea if it's correct or not but because it bolsters their arguments for trading Rondo.

Yeah, forgive me if Rondo's 15 points per game are not convincing me of his "scoring prowess". Sure, he got a handful of big scoring games, and we lost them all. The fact that the rest of the squad needed to start playing better before we started winning should tell you all you need to know about Rondo's ability to be a franchise player at this stage of his career.

  Sure, the same way Deron on the Nets or CP3 on the Hornets last year should tell you everything you need to know about their ability to be a franchise player at this stage of their careers. And I spent a good deal of the offseason reading that Chris Paul could carry a team with his scoring after he put up a hefty 0.8 points a game more than Rondo is now. Somewhat amusing IMO.

[wiley]

Is Rondo not good enough for Cs ?

Based on his current ability, he isn't -- at least not for the role that the Celtics are trying to cast him in starting next season. There is a number of people here who share this opinion, and it has little to do with what transpired last week.

  First of all, Rondo took on more of a scoring role earlier this year because most of his teammates had trouble putting the ball in the basket, which is something all of his detractors assured me that he was incapable of. Secondly, you have no idea of what type of roster we'll have next year or what role Rondo will be cast in. A number of people here share your opinion, not because they have any idea if it's correct or not but because it bolsters their arguments for trading Rondo.

Yeah, forgive me if Rondo's 15 points per game are not convincing me of his "scoring prowess". Sure, he got a handful of big scoring games, and we lost them all. The fact that the rest of the squad needed to start playing better before we started winning should tell you all you need to know about Rondo's ability to be a franchise player at this stage of his career.

As for the roster makeup, unless we sign a player that is better than Rondo (or trade him for one), look for us to be the Golden State Warriors of the East.

LOL.  I can just see Ainge sitting in his office, thinking to himself:  Jeez, Rondo's a pretty awesome player, I don't think we can get anyone better on the roster, I guess I'll have to sign 4 guys who aren't quite as good as him.

[snowball]

Rondo over Deron any day

[PosImpos]

Is Rondo not good enough for Cs ?

Based on his current ability, he isn't -- at least not for the role that the Celtics are trying to cast him in starting next season. There is a number of people here who share this opinion, and it has little to do with what transpired last week.

  First of all, Rondo took on more of a scoring role earlier this year because most of his teammates had trouble putting the ball in the basket, which is something all of his detractors assured me that he was incapable of. Secondly, you have no idea of what type of roster we'll have next year or what role Rondo will be cast in. A number of people here share your opinion, not because they have any idea if it's correct or not but because it bolsters their arguments for trading Rondo.

Yeah, forgive me if Rondo's 15 points per game are not convincing me of his "scoring prowess". Sure, he got a handful of big scoring games, and we lost them all. The fact that the rest of the squad needed to start playing better before we started winning should tell you all you need to know about Rondo's ability to be a franchise player at this stage of his career.

As for the roster makeup, unless we sign a player that is better than Rondo (or trade him for one), look for us to be the Golden State Warriors of the East.

LOL.  I can just see Ainge sitting in his office, thinking to himself:  Jeez, Rondo's a pretty awesome player, I don't think we can get anyone better on the roster, I guess I'll have to sign 4 guys who aren't quite as good as him.

Who are we going to sign in free agency in the next two seasons that's any better than Rondo?  Players better than Rondo tend to get traded before they hit free agency, or they go to big markets / teams that already have superstars.

[ianboyextreme]

Is Rondo not good enough for Cs ?

Based on his current ability, he isn't -- at least not for the role that the Celtics are trying to cast him in starting next season. There is a number of people here who share this opinion, and it has little to do with what transpired last week.

  First of all, Rondo took on more of a scoring role earlier this year because most of his teammates had trouble putting the ball in the basket, which is something all of his detractors assured me that he was incapable of. Secondly, you have no idea of what type of roster we'll have next year or what role Rondo will be cast in. A number of people here share your opinion, not because they have any idea if it's correct or not but because it bolsters their arguments for trading Rondo.

Yeah, forgive me if Rondo's 15 points per game are not convincing me of his "scoring prowess". Sure, he got a handful of big scoring games, and we lost them all. The fact that the rest of the squad needed to start playing better before we started winning should tell you all you need to know about Rondo's ability to be a franchise player at this stage of his career.

As for the roster makeup, unless we sign a player that is better than Rondo (or trade him for one), look for us to be the Golden State Warriors of the East.

LOL.  I can just see Ainge sitting in his office, thinking to himself:  Jeez, Rondo's a pretty awesome player, I don't think we can get anyone better on the roster, I guess I'll have to sign 4 guys who aren't quite as good as him.

Seriously, that seems to be what people think. To have a franchise player on your team you also have to have 4 starters who suck. You can have 5 great starters. Its allowed.

[ianboyextreme]

Is Rondo not good enough for Cs ?

Based on his current ability, he isn't -- at least not for the role that the Celtics are trying to cast him in starting next season. There is a number of people here who share this opinion, and it has little to do with what transpired last week.

  First of all, Rondo took on more of a scoring role earlier this year because most of his teammates had trouble putting the ball in the basket, which is something all of his detractors assured me that he was incapable of. Secondly, you have no idea of what type of roster we'll have next year or what role Rondo will be cast in. A number of people here share your opinion, not because they have any idea if it's correct or not but because it bolsters their arguments for trading Rondo.

Yeah, forgive me if Rondo's 15 points per game are not convincing me of his "scoring prowess". Sure, he got a handful of big scoring games, and we lost them all. The fact that the rest of the squad needed to start playing better before we started winning should tell you all you need to know about Rondo's ability to be a franchise player at this stage of his career.

As for the roster makeup, unless we sign a player that is better than Rondo (or trade him for one), look for us to be the Golden State Warriors of the East.

LOL.  I can just see Ainge sitting in his office, thinking to himself:  Jeez, Rondo's a pretty awesome player, I don't think we can get anyone better on the roster, I guess I'll have to sign 4 guys who aren't quite as good as him.

Who are we going to sign in free agency in the next two seasons that's any better than Rondo?  Players better than Rondo tend to get traded before they hit free agency, or they go to big markets / teams that already have superstars.

If we had 4 other starters as good as Rondo, that would be an incredible starting 5. That would be a starting 5 of all stars. Currently, though, we have a better starting 5 than that.