Is Rondo not good enough for Cs ?

[Mazingerz]

I dont understand a lot of people here, one week contemplating trading pierce, the previous week allen, and now Rondo.

Can we just play the season out ?

And BTW, Deron Williams is a cancer if you ask me. I wouldnt want to see him in a Celtics uniform. His prima donna attitude sucks big time. And people were willing to trade Rondo for him.

[bfrombleacher]

You should have seen the place when Chris Paul rumors were roaming. Boy did they want to get rid of Rondo.

[kozlodoev]

Is Rondo not good enough for Cs ?

Based on his current ability, he isn't -- at least not for the role that the Celtics are trying to cast him in starting next season. There is a number of people here who share this opinion, and it has little to do with what transpired last week.

[Roy H.]

And BTW, Deron Williams is a cancer if you ask me. I wouldnt want to see him in a Celtics uniform. His prima donna attitude sucks big time.

For whatever it's worth, Rondo reportedly has a very prickly personality, as well, that has caused him to tangle with coaches and teammates.

I don't know if any of us as fans can definitively say who is a bigger problem in the locker room between Rondo and Deron.  All we can really do is point to results on the floor.

[green7]

for real tho i don't care if rondo can't shoot 3 pointers or and he improved a little from mid range,but his free throw shooting really need to improve alot.and it's not hard because look @ Marion you just have to find a form that works for you.
that's my only problem with him besides the fact that he focus on assist to much sometime.

[Celtics4ever]

Based on his current ability, he isn't -- at least not for the role that the Celtics are trying to cast him in starting next season. There is a number of people here who share this opinion, and it has little to do with what transpired last week.

Rondo was our best player the first few games.   He was still starting until he got hurt so Doc doesn't share this opinion.   

Any GM in the league, Ainge included would take Rondo over Bradley.  A PG who is averaging 2 assists isn't going to cut it.

I bet you liked Telfair over Rondo too?

[PosImpos]

Based on his current ability, he isn't -- at least not for the role that the Celtics are trying to cast him in starting next season. There is a number of people here who share this opinion, and it has little to do with what transpired last week.

Rondo was our best player the first few games.   He was still starting until he got hurt so Doc doesn't share this opinion.   

Any GM in the league, Ainge included would take Rondo over Bradley.  A PG who is averaging 2 assists isn't going to cut it.

I bet you liked Telfair over Rondo too?

Where in his post did he say he preferred Bradley?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I simply don't trust Rondo. I wish this was merely a question of ability and potential because Rondo has all of that, but I just don't trust Rondo. He's always a question mark game to game and how he's going to play. Not only how much he's going to contribute, but is he going to run the offense well or not.

I get tired of seeing rosters of opposing teams and thinking to myself, they're screwed because we got Rondo and he'll out play their PG easily, then be disappointed by the result.

He strings together a few awesome games which I think will be the turning point, but then he reverts to his old self. Seems to happen every season. Then the playoffs come, and he puts together a few more awesome games, and then he once again stars disappointing again on both sides of the ball.

I don't know really. I'd be happy with him if he simply became more consistent. Showed me a lot of good signs early on in the season, though he still needs to find a better balance between running the offense and looking for his offense, but I just can't trust him still.

[greenpride32]

The FACT is the Celtics tried to trade Rondo on multiple occasions.  We offerred him up within the past year for CP3 and Westbrook, and prior to that rumors were for Ellis or Curry.  

Rondo has clashed with players and coaches both at UK and at BOS.  Aside from that he does have limitations to his game.  The C's staff sees him in a day in and day out basis; they know his attitude and whether he is working on his weaknesses or not.  We only see him at gametime.  So they know what's going on and their decision was to try and move him.  

I think the staff also realizes his stock is at an all time high because he is making all star teams.  If this team becomes less competitive in the future with no other stars on the team, Rondo is NOT going to make any more all star games because he simply isn't good enough on his own.  No teams are biting because they probably agree with this assessment.

  

[mgent]

Could you explain to me how Williams is a cancer?

[MVP]

Pretty funny how one week everybody is trying to trade Pierce and the next week it's Rondo. The core of this team is and has been Pierce and KG. They are the two guys on our team who have top 5 player in the league type talent. Pierce is our leader offensively and KG is our leader defensively.

The reason we were playing horrible and are now on a 4 game winning streak is a direct correlation do the play of Pierce and KG. In those 4 games Pierce has been playing at an MVP level doing everything from scoring, rebounding, facilitating the offense and playing solid defense. KG has been playing at a 1st team all defense level - in our 4 wins he has gotten 9 blocks and 9 steals and did a great job defending Dwight and Hibbert. We are not on a winning streak because of Bradley or Moore, though those made some solid contributions in some of those games.

If Pierce and KG play at a similar level with Rondo back then the league should watch out because  the Celtics will be a very dangerous team going into the playoffs. If you expect Rondo to be a superstar then you are expecting too much out of him - there's a reason he's not making the max. Rondo is a borderline all star on a yearly basis which is pretty good. I'm not against trading him for the right deal, but the right deal has to be very good for us.

[wdleehi]

I would trade any Celtic player if it helped the team.



For Rondo, I would be very selective.  It has to be a player who is a true star.

[CoachBo]

And BTW, Deron Williams is a cancer if you ask me. I wouldnt want to see him in a Celtics uniform. His prima donna attitude sucks big time.

For whatever it's worth, Rondo reportedly has a very prickly personality, as well, that has caused him to tangle with coaches and teammates.

I don't know if any of us as fans can definitively say who is a bigger problem in the locker room between Rondo and Deron.  All we can really do is point to results on the floor.

Good post, and I agree with wdleehi as well. I would trade any Celtic player to move this franchise forward. For Rondo, I want a star in return - and Williams meets that definition.

Rondo is plenty good for the Celtics when he wants to play. The problem is, he doesn't want to play often enough to suit any coach.

[dark_lord]

I dont understand a lot of people here, one week contemplating trading pierce, the previous week allen, and now Rondo.

welcome to CB....where "what have u done for me lately", "the grass is greener (excuse the pun, lol) on the other side", "trade proposals, no matter how bad, are created", and where "rebuilding is great forum fodder" takes place.

 

[Vermont Green]

In reading the forums here (which are great), the opinions on Rondo range broadly.  I can undertand how Celtics fans love Rondo.  He hustles, he has big time focus/intensity, and he produces.  He is flawed as a player though and these flaws seem to be overlooked more by Celtics fans that those on the outside (at least that is my opinion).  But overall, I get the love for Rondo.

What I don't get the lack of love for Deron Williams.  I see the "he is a Cancer" statement a lot.  Now I have never been in the locker room but based on what I see (on the court) and hear (statements in paper, interviews, etc.) I do not see a cancer.  A skin rash maybe but not a cancer.

Williams is a premier player in this league IMO.  I believe that if we could get him for say roughly Rondo and the Clippers pick (I know it would take more than that to balance salary/talent), that the move would vault us to the top tier instantly.  Williams can do it all, pass, shoot, defend, pick and roll; what more could you possibly want in a player?

I believe the Cancer fears are based on him tangling with Sloan.  That is definitely a red flag but I have never seen anything on the court that would reflect an attitude issue.  He plays hard, stays focused, and plays the game the way I like to see it played (as does Rondo).

So is "Rondo not good enough for me"?  Rondo is fine, I just think Williams is much better.