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Re: once dooling is back, who deserves the backup 1 spot?
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2012, 02:48:13 PM »

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Doc Rivers is the coach.
He's going with the veteran.
That's Dooling.

Moore won't get any time.
Bradley might get 8-10 minutes against the Bulls guarding Rose or against Chalmers to help stop them getting into sets.

bench will be(in this order of minutes)
Bass ( could be starting come playoff time/JO's injury status)
Pietrus
Dooling
Wilcox
Quis
Steimsma
---------following guys won't likely see the floor much if at all in playoffs:

Bradley
Moore
Pav(may go up higher in the playoffs when Doc panics and needs veteran experience to ease his nerves.)
JJJ= victory cigar.

I think you've probably generally got Doc down, though I think Stiemer is in more danger of dropping out of the rotation completely than are both of the young guards.

Re: once dooling is back, who deserves the backup 1 spot?
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2012, 07:58:21 PM »

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Doc Rivers is the coach.
He's going with the veteran.
That's Dooling.

Moore won't get any time.
Bradley might get 8-10 minutes against the Bulls guarding Rose or against Chalmers to help stop them getting into sets.

bench will be(in this order of minutes)
Bass ( could be starting come playoff time/JO's injury status)
Pietrus
Dooling
Wilcox
Quis
Steimsma
---------following guys won't likely see the floor much if at all in playoffs:

Bradley
Moore
Pav(may go up higher in the playoffs when Doc panics and needs veteran experience to ease his nerves.)
JJJ= victory cigar.

I think you've probably generally got Doc down, though I think Stiemer is in more danger of dropping out of the rotation completely than are both of the young guards.

It depends what line ups Doc wants to use in the playoffs.
If he wants to play small ball then he will only use 4 big men (KG, Bass, JO, Wilcox). If we encounter real size like Spencer Hawes/Vucevic Noah, Horford, Amare/Chandler then Greg is more likely to get a run because we can stick him out there to rebound and foul while our regular bigs sit.


Just my take and I could be completely wrong, I just don't see Doc playing Moore in the playoffs when he has the veterans.
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Re: once dooling is back, who deserves the backup 1 spot?
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2012, 09:09:48 PM »

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I think Bradley's defense is the best single skill from the meager assortment that Bradley, Dooling and Moore bring to the table. Problem is playing with Pierce or Rondo is the only way to cover for his weaknesses (and playing with Rondo decreases some of his defensive value if the other team has some size in the backcourt).

Thus I would assume that Dooling's blend of streaky shooting, decent defense (better than Moore) and relative veteran calm.  That said, a prolonged cold spell from Dooling could bring one of the young guys back in.


In my opinion Bradleys biggest shortcoming is the lack of offense (especially shooting) he provides.  IMO Pairing him with Rondo in our backcourt would exaggerate his weaknesses rather than cover for them.  Playing alongside Dooling (whose most dangerous as a deep shooter, and a bit bigger) can somewhat cover for him, but I think Rondo (another undersized poor shooter) is a bad choice.

 Playing Bradley with PP (especially with Marquis or Pietrus) works well. PP and Marquis/Pietrus cover for Bradleys lack of offense, and all are flexible enough to play different positions, allowing either Bradley or PP to bring the ball up as the point.

Re: once dooling is back, who deserves the backup 1 spot?
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2012, 09:15:09 PM »

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Dooling needs to earn it from Moore / Bradley. Personally I prefer Moore.

Re: once dooling is back, who deserves the backup 1 spot?
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2012, 09:16:40 PM »

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Moore is surprising me lately...if somehow we can get a rookie with Bradley's defense and Moore's offense :-\

Re: once dooling is back, who deserves the backup 1 spot?
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2012, 09:45:57 PM »

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Thinking long-term, I believe that Bradley has more upside than Moore, so the Celtics need to commit to giving him enough minutes so that he has a chance to learn how to shoot in the NBA, even if costs the team a few regular season wins.  I think sending Bradley to the D-League is probably near useless for that purpose.

With Rondo seemingly out for the next month, hopefully someone steps up and separates himself from the others while there are minutes for all three of them.  I'd keep starting Bradley while Rondo is out, but keep in mind that just because you start, that doesn't mean you have to end up with the most minutes at the position.
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Re: once dooling is back, who deserves the backup 1 spot?
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2012, 10:07:27 PM »

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Bradley. 

I hope Dooling plays behind Bradley, Moore, Pietrus and Daniels.  Unfortunately I'm pretty sure Dooling and Doc are "friends" which means Dooling will get a chance to be first off the bench for the 1 and 2 spot.  I don't like that scenario, Bradley and Pietrus deserve to play with daniels and moore right behind.  We will see what happens.

Re: once dooling is back, who deserves the backup 1 spot?
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2012, 10:32:42 PM »

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Thinking long-term, I believe that Bradley has more upside than Moore, so the Celtics need to commit to giving him enough minutes so that he has a chance to learn how to shoot in the NBA, even if costs the team a few regular season wins.  I think sending Bradley to the D-League is probably near useless for that purpose.

With Rondo seemingly out for the next month, hopefully someone steps up and separates himself from the others while there are minutes for all three of them.  I'd keep starting Bradley while Rondo is out, but keep in mind that just because you start, that doesn't mean you have to end up with the most minutes at the position.

I agree, his ceiling is enormous.
This is why he'll get more time than Moore this season- unless they want to use him as trade bait, which I doubt unless a big 3 member goes down with a serious injury.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: once dooling is back, who deserves the backup 1 spot?
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2012, 10:57:59 PM »

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I wish Doc adopted more of what Pop does. Nobody should be "deserving minutes", it should be based, first and foremost, performance and then match ups.