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Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2012, 02:17:20 PM »

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Clippers do this because they have no outside scoring.

Chauncey sucks for them.  Not only have they won in spite of him, they have lost games because of him.  

Paul can score and create for himself and Griffin.  You have Ray as an outlet, jumpshooter on the perimeter.

It makes all the sense.

Salaries match.

And as far as the GM,  he'll be fired anyway if he doesn't get rid of Del Negro.
They have Mo Williams, and Randy Foye (both shooting close to 40% on threes this season), so their need for outside shooting is vastly overstated.

Then why is Chauncey in their during crunch time?
I'm sorry, what does this have to do with the Clippers need for three point shooting (or lack thereof)?
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Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2012, 02:18:45 PM »

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Clippers do this because they have no outside scoring.

Chauncey sucks for them.  Not only have they won in spite of him, they have lost games because of him.  

Paul can score and create for himself and Griffin.  You have Ray as an outlet, jumpshooter on the perimeter.

It makes all the sense.

Salaries match.

And as far as the GM,  he'll be fired anyway if he doesn't get rid of Del Negro.
They have Mo Williams, and Randy Foye (both shooting close to 40% on threes this season), so their need for outside shooting is vastly overstated.

Then why is Chauncey in their during crunch time?

Because Vinny Del Negro is afraid to bench Billups at the end of the game, becuase Billups will get mad that he isn't that good of a shooter anymore.
That must be it. The fact that he's one of the most clutch active players is just a distant secondary reason.
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Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2012, 02:42:54 PM »

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Clippers do this because they have no outside scoring.

Chauncey sucks for them.  Not only have they won in spite of him, they have lost games because of him.  

Paul can score and create for himself and Griffin.  You have Ray as an outlet, jumpshooter on the perimeter.

It makes all the sense.

Salaries match.

And as far as the GM,  he'll be fired anyway if he doesn't get rid of Del Negro.
They have Mo Williams, and Randy Foye (both shooting close to 40% on threes this season), so their need for outside shooting is vastly overstated.

Then why is Chauncey in their during crunch time?

But c'mon, man. Their need for sg doesn't come anywhere near their need for exactly the type of player DeAndre Jordan already is. Right now, you could make a pretty good argument that Jordan is more valuable to that team than Blake Griffin is.


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Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2012, 02:52:32 PM »

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Clippers do this because they have no outside scoring.

Chauncey sucks for them.  Not only have they won in spite of him, they have lost games because of him.  

Paul can score and create for himself and Griffin.  You have Ray as an outlet, jumpshooter on the perimeter.

It makes all the sense.

Salaries match.

And as far as the GM,  he'll be fired anyway if he doesn't get rid of Del Negro.
They have Mo Williams, and Randy Foye (both shooting close to 40% on threes this season), so their need for outside shooting is vastly overstated.

Then why is Chauncey in their during crunch time?

But c'mon, man. Their need for sg doesn't come anywhere near their need for exactly the type of player DeAndre Jordan already is. Right now, you could make a pretty good argument that Jordan is more valuable to that team than Blake Griffin is.


.....And I'm the crazy one!

Watch a few Clippers games, man. I'm telling you, I think - RIGHT NOW - it's almost indisputable.

Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2012, 03:23:55 PM »

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Not at all reasonable for 2 reasons:

1. Guard is not a position of need for them (Paul, Billups, Williams, Bledsoe - The first three can all shoot quite well)
2. Clippers do not need a 1 year rental. It is inconceivable that they trade an important part of their future for a 1 year rental,

Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2012, 04:26:51 PM »

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Proposals like this are the CB equivalent of the car wreck you just can't turn away from, or the singers they show on American Idol because they're awful.

Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2012, 04:34:29 PM »

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Clippers do this because they have no outside scoring.

Chauncey sucks for them.  Not only have they won in spite of him, they have lost games because of him.  

Paul can score and create for himself and Griffin.  You have Ray as an outlet, jumpshooter on the perimeter.

It makes all the sense.

Salaries match.

And as far as the GM,  he'll be fired anyway if he doesn't get rid of Del Negro.
They have Mo Williams, and Randy Foye (both shooting close to 40% on threes this season), so their need for outside shooting is vastly overstated.

Then why is Chauncey in their during crunch time?

But c'mon, man. Their need for sg doesn't come anywhere near their need for exactly the type of player DeAndre Jordan already is. Right now, you could make a pretty good argument that Jordan is more valuable to that team than Blake Griffin is.


.....And I'm the crazy one!

Watch a few Clippers games, man. I'm telling you, I think - RIGHT NOW - it's almost indisputable.

DeAndre Jordan has such a huge impact on D...Blake is still growing. There's no doubt he'll get better, but both Jordan and Blake are great finishers for CP3 and Billups passes.

Blake gets so many touches during games...and he's not all that good a defender either...

Take Blake out of the game, and the team still has enough offensive fire power to score. Take Jordan out, and you have no backup bigs and you're best paint defender is Griffin, who is average.
I like Marcus Smart

Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2012, 05:01:42 PM »

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Love Ray!

But outside of Rondo, I believe he is the best "chip" to move to get something in return.

Ray would make a possible contender/playoff team better, instantly.

Ray on the Clippers to replace Chauncey would make them better than they are now.  Throw in "tha Steama" if you have to offset the loss of a center. 

Rondo and Jordan would be a great way to start rebuilding for the future.  It would be Boston's version of lob city.  He plays defense, rebounds, runs the floor, obviously athletic.  Perfect fit for Rondo.  Next year, sign Eric Gordon and you have a very good transition into the next decade.




And Clippers agree on this trade because they have 10 quality centers who can fill in the position at any time.
The idea of trading a legend for a semi-average kid who dunks because everyone pays attention to Griffin is like saying McGee is the best point guard in the world.

Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2012, 05:03:31 PM »

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Jameer an elite PG?Please, ask that to his garbage highlights.



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Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2012, 05:03:53 PM »

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Love Ray!

But outside of Rondo, I believe he is the best "chip" to move to get something in return.

Ray would make a possible contender/playoff team better, instantly.

Ray on the Clippers to replace Chauncey would make them better than they are now.  Throw in "tha Steama" if you have to offset the loss of a center. 

Rondo and Jordan would be a great way to start rebuilding for the future.  It would be Boston's version of lob city.  He plays defense, rebounds, runs the floor, obviously athletic.  Perfect fit for Rondo.  Next year, sign Eric Gordon and you have a very good transition into the next decade.




And Clippers agree on this trade because they have 10 quality centers who can fill in the position at any time.
The idea of trading a legend for a semi-average kid who dunks because everyone pays attention to Griffin is like saying McGee is the best point guard in the world.

This is the single most confusing rant I think I've ever read on celticsblog.

Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2012, 08:49:54 PM »

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Ray on the Clippers to replace Chauncey would make them better than they are now.  Throw in "tha Steama" if you have to offset the loss of a center.
As a lifelong Clippers fan... you can't be serious.  Even Laker fans come up with less ridiculous trade ideas than that.

We just signed DeAndre to a massive contract this offseason AND shipped Kaman out of town.  He is here for the long haul.  And we certainly would not part with him for an aging Ray Allen and Greg Steimsma.

Granted, I'd love to have Ray Allen on the team, but for a more realistic price than DJ.

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Next year, sign Eric Gordon and you have a very good transition into the next decade.
Back when EJ was on the Clips, we all feared that he'd refuse to re-up with us and go to Indiana instead.  It makes sense for him... he's from Indiana, he was Mr. Basketball in high school, and he played at IU.  I think he ends up signing with the Pacers.

That being said, while he is an excellent young talent, he is also extremely injury-prone and has a frustrating knack for turnovers in the clutch.  Maybe with experience, he'll grow out of the dumb TO's.

Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2012, 08:52:49 PM »

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<speechless at this trade idea>


Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2012, 08:54:23 PM »

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Watch a few Clippers games, man. I'm telling you, I think - RIGHT NOW - it's almost indisputable.
I watch EVERY Clippers game.

DJ is nowhere near as valuable to the team as Griffin is.  Granted, he still is very valuable, but Griffin is a game-changer and a once-in-a-generation talent.  It's not even close.

Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2012, 10:14:14 PM »

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* face palm * dude, put the beer down!

Re: Ray Allen for DeAndre Jordan
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2012, 11:00:04 PM »

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Clippers do this because they have no outside scoring.

Chauncey sucks for them.  Not only have they won in spite of him, they have lost games because of him.  

Paul can score and create for himself and Griffin.  You have Ray as an outlet, jumpshooter on the perimeter.

It makes all the sense.

Salaries match.

And as far as the GM,  he'll be fired anyway if he doesn't get rid of Del Negro.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

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