Celtics - Knicks (KG - Amare)

[Jirimania]

Celtics Trade: KG & Clippers Pick

NYK Trade: Amare Stoudemire & Renaldo Balkman

Celtics: Get a younger PF signed for the long haul to pair with Rondo going forward. Would still have Pierce and Ray for atleast this season.

Knicks: Cut 20 Million in payroll, and would have cap space to sign Deron Williams in the off season.

[esel1000]

I feel like the knicks would trade melo over amare... either way they would want something else thrown in with kg and the pick even if it does do them the favor of signing an elite pg..

[Green 18]

Amare makes over 20mil a year (avg) for 4 years, he's 30 and has yet to show signs of wanting to play any kind of defense. I'd rather spend those 20 mil on a more complete player.

[gpap]

Celtics Trade: KG & Clippers Pick

NYK Trade: Amare Stoudemire & Renaldo Balkman

Celtics: Get a younger PF signed for the long haul to pair with Rondo going forward. Would still have Pierce and Ray for atleast this season.

Knicks: Cut 20 Million in payroll, and would have cap space to sign Deron Williams in the off season.

I like where you're headed. I actually just created a very similar post. However, I don't think the Knicks trade Amar'e for KG. All things being equal right now, anyone would take Amar'e over KG any day of the week, including the Knicks.

I think Rondo is what the Knicks would want in return if they were to trade Amar'e to Boston.

[Jirimania]

Celtics Trade: KG & Clippers Pick

NYK Trade: Amare Stoudemire & Renaldo Balkman

Celtics: Get a younger PF signed for the long haul to pair with Rondo going forward. Would still have Pierce and Ray for atleast this season.

Knicks: Cut 20 Million in payroll, and would have cap space to sign Deron Williams in the off season.

I like where you're headed. I actually just created a very similar post. However, I don't think the Knicks trade Amar'e for KG. All things being equal right now, anyone would take Amar'e over KG any day of the week, including the Knicks.

I think Rondo is what the Knicks would want in return if they were to trade Amar'e to Boston.

Saw that, we are definitely on the same page. Mines more of a reach, yours is more fair value.

Rather than Rondo for Amar'e mines basically Amar'e for Deron Williams (with the little issue of the 29 other teams competing for Dwill in free agency). 

[Jirimania]

Amare makes over 20mil a year (avg) for 4 years, he's 30 and has yet to show signs of wanting to play any kind of defense. I'd rather spend those 20 mil on a more complete player.

As would I. I would love to spend it on Dwight, Lebron, Carmelo or another top 10 - 20 player. All things being equal, no team/trade/salary restrictions Amar'e is not my first choice, which is why I hoped we could buy low on him.

[gpap]

Celtics Trade: KG & Clippers Pick

NYK Trade: Amare Stoudemire & Renaldo Balkman

Celtics: Get a younger PF signed for the long haul to pair with Rondo going forward. Would still have Pierce and Ray for atleast this season.

Knicks: Cut 20 Million in payroll, and would have cap space to sign Deron Williams in the off season.

I like where you're headed. I actually just created a very similar post. However, I don't think the Knicks trade Amar'e for KG. All things being equal right now, anyone would take Amar'e over KG any day of the week, including the Knicks.

I think Rondo is what the Knicks would want in return if they were to trade Amar'e to Boston.

Saw that, we are definitely on the same page. Mines more of a reach, yours is more fair value.

Rather than Rondo for Amar'e mines basically Amar'e for Deron Williams (with the little issue of the 29 other teams competing for Dwill in free agency).  

True, it seems the Knicks have always been in the same sentence with DWill and Chris Paul, haven't they?
The only other issue though is that the Knicks are thinking more about the future than this year by trading for KG's expiring contract. But who knows? Maybe they'd want DWill bad enough where they'd be willing to sacrifice this season.

And who knows, maybe Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni would covet a defensive player like KG over Stoudemire. Maybe having Chandler beside him would spark KG for one more run.

[jiriwelsch]

not really a big fan of Amare.  Back and injury issues seems to have plagued him the last few years.  He was having a great year before Carmelo showed up in 10-11. 

[PosImpos]

wow, trade ideas get more ridiculous by the day.

is this what the forums are gonna be like throughout the rebuilding process?

[Jirimania]

wow, trade ideas get more ridiculous by the day.

is this what the forums are gonna be like throughout the rebuilding process?

Sure I agree, this is not equal talent wise in any way. However isn't this close to the ideal scenario for moving one of the big three? As many have pointed out, our best asset of the big three is Pierce since he probably is the best player with the most left. Garnet and Allen's value is stunted by their inability to create for themselves, and their obvious age/decline (Garnett more his decline, Allen more his inability to create own shot IMO).

Therefore, most of Garnett's value on the trade market comes from his giant expiring contract. So the celtics basically have two options to be very good next year. 1. Wait it out and chase Howard in free agency 2. Try and trade this season for another very good player.

Besides the cap maneuvering Ainge would have to do to get Howard (even if he wanted to come here), i don't think he wants to come here. The other big name FA, Deron Williams would obviously result in us trading Rondo, maybe another option for another day.

For the Knicks, if they feel it isn't working, if they feel PG is their biggest and most important weakness, if they are worried about Amare's Back/Age/contract, they could move him for a PG, or they could move him for the cap space to sign Deron Williams in the off season. Not many teams besides the celtics have a couple of giant expiring contracts (Dallas, PHX, and ironically Dwill's Nets could make it work, so possibly a straight up trade with them but that leaves NJ with just Stoudemire and no cap room)

The Knicks are not going to move Chandler, they just signed him. I also don't think they will move Melo after all the bologna they went through to get him, also Melo/Chandler is pretty enticing for free agents.

In this trade, NY is selling low, always a bad idea, but not something that we haven't seen.

Does that respond to the "ridiculousness" of the trade idea?

[Jirimania]

not really a big fan of Amare.  Back and injury issues seems to have plagued him the last few years.  He was having a great year before Carmelo showed up in 10-11. 

I agree sort of. Although I am optimistic on Amare's next 3 to 5 years. Or at least would have to be to make this trade.

Bold 1: This is why i think we can buy low on him.

Bold 2: I agree big time that he was doing great before Melo got there. I think he would do great in the Celtics system, which is a little more ball movement oriented due to that fact that it is facilitated by Rondo, and not the basketball deflating Melo. Also moving forward, Amar'e could thrive as a #1 option as he was before Anthony got to New York.

[chambers]

THe Knicks aren't moving any of their big 3 until they have seen life without Mike Dantoni.
Although it's early in the season, it appears he just doesn't have a clue what he's doing with this team on offense.

Getting Davis back will be much bigger for them than people think because they need a point guard to run things properly- particularly to get Stoudemire and Chandler involved with the pick and roll.

Right now it's just Carmelo dribbling down, jacking it up, and generally just trying to do his best Kobe impersonation- except it's Chandler and Stoudemire, not Gasol and Bynum in the post.

Knicks would simply never even consider anything like this.
You'd have to give them KG, Ray and a first rounder before they picked up the phone.

I wouldn't want Amare anyway, he's past it or only has 2-3 good seasons left in him.